It doesn't apply to me :) My state (Virginia) made it illegal for the Federal gov't to force this onto anyone in here. PRO.

Hey guess what? Federal surpemacy. Eat that.

I can't believe these morons did this....It's proven most people don't want it. Now our economy is going to suck even more and there won't be any doctors. :thumbdown:

Just a question. Will Americans still be able to buy privatised health insurance? If so, why are so many against it? It's like that here in Aus, if it's minor you just go to your local hospital and wait, if you don't like waiting you should learn some manne- I men buy private health insurance, and if it's life threatening you don't have to wait or worry about private health insurance.

Well, technically yes, but I'm sure that "Problem" is going to be solved soon.

Just a question. Will Americans still be able to buy privatised health insurance? If so, why are so many against it? It's like that here in Aus, if it's minor you just go to your local hospital and wait, if you don't like waiting you should learn some manne- I men buy private health insurance, and if it's life threatening you don't have to wait or worry about private health insurance.

Wait. I understood there even wasn't a public option in the passed bill. Am I wrong?

I can't believe these morons did this....It's proven most people don't want it. Now our economy is going to suck even more and there won't be any doctors. :thumbdown:

I can't say words to express the stupidity of that post, so here's a nice picture instead.

Well to be very honest I really do not know much about the bill since is like 500 pages+ long, but I always thought doctors were for this bill?

i'm confused by your healthcare. some people are saying you still get insurance if you have a job, and free healthcare is only for the unemployed?

We really need to learn how to paraphrase.. But I'm all for socialized healthcare and the only reason we didn't get it sooner, is because we'd rather throw money into are military then take care of the health of our country.

 

Perhaps more should have gone towards education so that illiterate people like you can type multiple sentences with proper grammar. Only in my wildest dreams.

 

you win the douche of the hour award.

 

 

Not to spam:

@ Um_Bong and Stevepole:

 

I've heard far more horror stories from people with NHS, then with privatized. Just saying... It may have its benefits, but I believe the cons (in my opinion) far outweigh the pros.

 

If I won it by being an intellectual, then I will accept it gladly. I would much rather be an intelligent douche than an illiterate fool. Back on topic, I fear that this will only hinder America. Studies and polls have shown that approximately 60-70% of doctors surveyed will leave the United States for other countries if the bill is passed. Have fun getting into the hospital while there are an increased number of people there with children who have a stomach ache, and lucky you, who might have a serious problem like a broken bone, just get to sit and wait your turn. You might say that in that case your condition would warrant immediate treatment, and in privatized health care it would. However, under universal health care, you become just another number.

 

Well, not only a douche, but judgemental and pretentious as well :rolleyes: If someone mistakenly uses one word wrong, especially someone who I respect and know to be intelligent...I get over it. It's not a big deal.

 

I love this argument, seriously. I'm sure that 70% of American doctors couldn't possibly deal with a cap on insurance premiums. Oh the horror, we aren't going to be able to profit off people's medical misfortunes any more. What a sad story :(

 

Canada has universal healthcare - and if I were to go to the emergency room with a stomachache, I would be waiting for hours. If I went with heart palpitations (which I have) I would walk straight to the desk and be inside in 5 minutes.

 

It's not even like this bill is publicizing healthcare anyway - at least not nearly as much as it could.

 

And @ pinkbullet: I'm not privy to the ins and outs of this bill as I'm not American but as I understand it it caps the amount insurance companies can charge for health insurance, making the lower earning members of society more likely to be able to recieve health insurance.

@michel555555: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/imprisoned-for-not-having-health-care/

It's not surprising how much the bill is hated considering what some of you believe is in there.

 

And congrats to the Americans. Hopefully this will work out well for your people.

 

Here's the thing though. According to that very link if you refuse to have health insurance, you will be levied via tax. And if you refuse to pay that tax, you can be jailed. Therefore it's essentially a fine for not using insurance.

@michel555555: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/imprisoned-for-not-having-health-care/

It's not surprising how much the bill is hated considering what some of you believe is in there.

 

And congrats to the Americans. Hopefully this will work out well for your people.

 

Here's the thing though. According to that very link if you refuse to have health insurance, you will be levied via tax. And if you refuse to pay that tax, you can be jailed. Therefore it's essentially a fine for not using insurance.

 

I think thats more like "If you don't pay tax you go to jail thing", which is well..the law.

@michel555555: http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/imprisoned-for-not-having-health-care/

It's not surprising how much the bill is hated considering what some of you believe is in there.

 

And congrats to the Americans. Hopefully this will work out well for your people.

 

Here's the thing though. According to that very link if you refuse to have health insurance, you will be levied via tax. And if you refuse to pay that tax, you can be jailed. Therefore it's essentially a fine for not using insurance.

 

I think thats more like "If you don't pay tax you go to jail thing", which is well..the law.

 

Err, which is exactly I said. The problem is that the tax is levied on those who choose to not use insurance. And believe it or not, some people prefer NOT to use insurance and instead are good at managing their money when it comes to health spending. They will use clinics whenever possible to avoid hospital fees, only use the emergency room when necessary, and let their doctors know that they are private-payers and to double check before assigning x-rays or labs.

 

The vast majority of Americans, however, are those who hear their children coughing and go straight to the ER.

How are you guys going to afford it?

 

I am not a fan of socialized healthcare. Which i guess i should be, since i come from the socialist country numbero uno in Europe (Sweden). God damn. Even if i want to get treatment at a private hospital, i still have to pay the health insurance and then on top of that the private health insurance.

Are they going to even provide a privatized sector for the huge number of Americans that could actually afford healthcare under the old system?

 

Seriously, I'm not trying to sound like a heartless douchebag, but I would rather be able to go to the doctor quicker on some things (assuming that I would have to wait a few months to get my finger checked out because it has a cyst growing in it), and I'm middle class, so I can actually afford it...

 

EDIT: Wait a second. Wasn't universal healthcare thrown out of the window a long time ago? How come everyone keeps referring to this as "America's NHS" or whatever? <_<

I can't believe these morons did this....It's proven most people don't want it. Now our economy is going to suck even more and there won't be any doctors. :thumbdown:

I can't say words to express the stupidity of that post, so here's a nice picture instead.

... really? He makes a valid counterpoint and all you can do is act like a child? Studies do show what he says to be true. Democrats know this to be true, it's why they were and still are so wary of following Democrat leadership- they're losing votes. And all you do is facedesk.

 

This.. this is why no one likes to debate politics here.

Yay another expense I can't afford, unless of course jobless college students with barely enough money to eat or do laundrey can get free health care, but seeing as the government hates people furthering their education, looks like I get to go out in a blaze of glory when the cops come to take me to prison.

It doesn't apply to me :) My state (Virginia) made it illegal for the Federal gov't to force this onto anyone in here. PRO.

Hey guess what? Federal surpemacy. Eat that.

 

 

 

uhhh not rly. states rights. eat that. (and swallow! ) o.O

 

 

In all seriousness, I hate this bill. Some of the hate is unfounded, ex: there's no reason for it except for the fact that the majority of Americans do not want this, Congress (in my view) should basically vote for the people. Congress obvsly voted for themselves, good grief that pisses me off.

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

How are you guys going to afford it?

 

I am not a fan of socialized healthcare. Which i guess i should be, since i come from the socialist country numbero uno in Europe (Sweden). God damn. Even if i want to get treatment at a private hospital, i still have to pay the health insurance and then on top of that the private health insurance.

 

Someone (a liberal no less) did have that same reservation. How can we afford it when we spend so much already. And not all of it benign. The US spends hundreds of billions of dollars annually giving aide and relief to nations around the world suffering from disasters, droughts, wars, etc. Which is a kindness that in the light of disasters like Katrina or 9/11 has never been repaid, even by larger nations that we've been assisting for decades.

 

We are hemhoragging money and I was appalled by the mentality of the liberal majority to spend as much as they can before the upcoming elections, then back off to the President's suggestion that we go easy on the budget for a few years.

 

But as stated, we have no idea how this is going to pan out until it does. Will millions rush to hospitals to claim and overwhelm the program? Or not?

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

 

 

Maybe, I've not really looked into what our law says, however I think they found a loophole. Also, 7 other states also made it illegal.

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

 

 

Maybe, I've not really looked into what our law says, however I think they found a loophole. Also, 7 other states also made it illegal.

Source? By which I mean a credible source.

... really? He makes a valid counterpoint and all you can do is act like a child? Studies do show what he says to be true. Democrats know this to be true, it's why they were and still are so wary of following Democrat leadership- they're losing votes. And all you do is facedesk.

 

This.. this is why no one likes to debate politics here.

 

The thing is it is not a valid counter-point because it is completely made up. The vast majority of doctors want this, it gives everyone insurance and it is easier to get money from an insured patient than a non-insured patient.

 

I'm meh on this bill, forcing people to buy privatized health insurance or be taxed by the government just makes no sense to me.

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

 

 

Maybe, I've not really looked into what our law says, however I think they found a loophole. Also, 7 other states also made it illegal.

Source? By which I mean a credible source.

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

 

 

Maybe, I've not really looked into what our law says, however I think they found a loophole. Also, 7 other states also made it illegal.

Source? By which I mean a credible source.

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The underlined part is what I was referring to. Also wikipedia is not a credible source.

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

 

 

Maybe, I've not really looked into what our law says, however I think they found a loophole. Also, 7 other states also made it illegal.

Source? By which I mean a credible source.

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The underlined part is what I was referring to. Also wikipedia is not a credible source.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/us/29states.html

 

That's what I found. They at least ATTEMPTED to ban it.

Nah, unless the federal law is unconstitutional or illegal, it supercede state laws.

 

To be honest I really do not know much about this bill, obviously extending coverage to all Americans would be a good thing and I could care less if people freak out about government takeover. But can they really pay for all this? Supposely on the long term the deficit will go down because of the reform but in the short term we will see a huge increase in spending.

 

 

Maybe, I've not really looked into what our law says, however I think they found a loophole. Also, 7 other states also made it illegal.

Source? By which I mean a credible source.

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The underlined part is what I was referring to. Also wikipedia is not a credible source.

 

 

Source for...?

 

And yes, States do have ruling over federal, when federal steps outside the bounds of the Constitution, in which the gov't did.