Tip.It Adverts Discussion

[MageUK]

Hello Tip.Iters!

 

First off, we'd like to thank you for reporting adverts which breach Tip.It & Jagex's rules and thus getting them removed from our advert rotation. We have recently removed Google Adverts from our rotation of advertising networks, and we believe this will help with removing a lot of troublesome adverts, reducing the need for you to report them.

 

However, we would like to ask another favour of our community. Tip.It is constantly aiming to strengthen relationships with Jagex where possible and with this in mind, we would very much appreciate your help with spotting adverts for games which are not RuneScape or FunOrb. This includes anything from single player flash games all the way to very large competing MMORPGs. We'd like you to start reporting adverts for games as and when you see them.

 

The easiest way to get the details to us (if you don't know the website the game will be located on) is to click the advert, record the URL, and then report this URL to us. We will then have it removed from the advertising rotation as soon as possible.

 

As always, the thread for reporting adverts can be found here.

 

Many thanks!

 

You can discuss here.

[3PointMan]

Good. There were a lot of...erm... disturbing adverts before =D

[Mdeoxys]

Ok, I'll keep an eye out for them :)

[obfuscator]

A bit overbearing on Jagex's part to expect this, oh well.

[Den]

MMk. :thumbup:

 

Il keep an eye out.

[Sunli]

Thanks, Peter! (and the rest of the techie-admin team)

 

I will alert you immediately if I see any ads like that :)

 

Will this mean we will see Tip.It back on Jagex "safe site" list soon? :razz:

[Carl]

Thanks, Peter! (and the rest of the techie-admin team)

 

I will alert you immediately if I see any ads like that :)

 

Will this mean we will see Tip.It back on Jagex "safe site" list soon? :razz:

 

I presume this is where it's going, I'm not entirely sure. :thumbup:

[Emmentail]

Not letting other games advertise on this website? Who the hell decided on that? :wall:

[nubbycubby]

This seems awfully like sucking Jagex's [bleep] to me

[topper4125]

I'm curious to know... Now that Jagex knows that they can control the revenue stream of Tipit, how long before they try to take control of Content? I could see an email being sent that may say the following:

 

if you wish to remain on the Safe Site list, we are requiring you to remove all links and discussions to Arenascape, which is described as a MMORPG and therefore a direct competitor to RuneScape.

 

or

 

If you continue to allow your visitors talk negatively about our (Latest Quest/skill/update) without giving us the authority to delete posts we feel are 'inappropriate' We'll be forced to remove your site from the "safe Site" list.

 

The 'marriage' of fansites to Jagex is something I've always been leery of, and allowing them to dictate content (even the annoying content like Advertising... an understandable necessary evil) is exactly what I thought the end game of the "safe list" was all about.

 

I wonder how many other fansites are willing to do whatever it takes ('er... what ever jagex tells them to do) just to remain on that precious "Safe Site" List.

[obfuscator]

I'm curious to know... Now that Jagex knows that they can control the revenue stream of Tipit, how long before they try to take control of Content? I could see an email being sent that may say the following:

 

if you wish to remain on the Safe Site list, we are requiring you to remove all links and discussions to Areascape, which is described as a MMORPG and therefore a direct competitor to RuneScape.

 

or

 

If you continue to allow your visitors talk negatively about our (Latest Quest/skill/update) without giving us the authority to delete post we feel are 'inappropriate' We'll be forced to remove your site from the "safe Site" list.

 

The 'marriage' of fansites to Jagex is something I've always been leery of, and allowing them to dictate content (even the annoying content like Advertising... an understandable necessary evil) is exactly what I thought the end game of the "safe list" was all about.

 

I wonder how many other fansites are willing to do whatever it takes ('er... what ever jagex tells them to do) just to remain on that precious "Safe Site" List.

 

If I could "like" this post, I would. Hit the nail on the head.

 

Tip.it has not only survived without official recognition, but prospered. I don't see why we need to bend down to Jagex in this way, especially as anyone coming to this forum already plays runescape, or has played it, so having RS ads here can't do much.

[The Observer]

Alright, be sure to report any.

[PoorLepRecon]

I'm curious to know... Now that Jagex knows that they can control the revenue stream of Tipit, how long before they try to take control of Content? I could see an email being sent that may say the following:

 

if you wish to remain on the Safe Site list, we are requiring you to remove all links and discussions to Areascape, which is described as a MMORPG and therefore a direct competitor to RuneScape.

 

or

 

If you continue to allow your visitors talk negatively about our (Latest Quest/skill/update) without giving us the authority to delete post we feel are 'inappropriate' We'll be forced to remove your site from the "safe Site" list.

 

The 'marriage' of fansites to Jagex is something I've always been leery of, and allowing them to dictate content (even the annoying content like Advertising... an understandable necessary evil) is exactly what I thought the end game of the "safe list" was all about.

 

I wonder how many other fansites are willing to do whatever it takes ('er... what ever jagex tells them to do) just to remain on that precious "Safe Site" List.

 

If I could "like" this post, I would. Hit the nail on the head.

 

Tip.it has not only survived without official recognition, but prospered. I don't see why we need to bend down to Jagex in this way, especially as anyone coming to this forum already plays runescape, or has played it, so having RS ads here can't do much.

 

I agree with both of you. All this is doing is limiting our revenue to adds that don't include any competing games. As Y_Guy said, we have prospered for years without official recognition. I find it silly that we all of a sudden feel the need to be officially recognized by Jagex, even though they ignored fan sites for years. If they are not willing to allow us to fund our site how we want, we shouldn't seek an official relationship.

[Sentry_Wolf]

I am not one to usually disagree with Jagex's ways, but for once I actually am, I am agreeing with you all. It's a strange act of censorship and I don't believe Jagex should have any control over any other sites bar their own.

 

I don't understand, why do Jagex fuss over us for having bad advertisements that 'might' take away people from RuneScape, when in-fact myself and a friend witness World of Warcraft adverts on the RuneScape website? With all due respect Jagex, but thats a bit hypocritical if you ask me.

 

It's not like they are going to lose people to the lights of Ebony, a game where you most likely click once, go "What...?" and head back to RuneScape.

[calcarb]

I don't agree with those of you who say we should be able to advertise whatever other game we want.

We are a runescape fan site and as such we should, to some degree, respect their wishes for us not to advertise 'rivals'.

Having said that though because revenue will be reduced by not advertising such sites, I think Jagex could perhaps support the site more.

[PoorLepRecon]

What will the next step be though? Like Topper2145 said, will they ask us to close our Arenascape forum? How about our World of Warcraft topic, which is a very large thread down in Video Games and Consoles. Will we have to lock that thread as well if we want to keep our official status? Jagex should not have any influence on the fan sites. They should only control the game they own and their own websites.

[tripsis]

If Jagex took it a step further than they already have, asking us to change the content of our site/forums, I trust the admins to do what's best for the USERS and not comply. Changing our ads doesn't affect the users of Tip.it and while I think it's absurd for Jagex to make that request, it honestly isn't that big of a deal and doesn't really affect our site/forums. As long as it doesn't make a big difference, it's better to comply and be counted as a "safe" fan site or whatever. But if Jagex make requests that would change the way this site/forum is run or make requests to change our content, then that would affect the users in a negative way. In that case, I'm sure the admins would know that it would be better to continue running a great, free fan site and say "no" to Jagex's demands than to comply and be counted as a "safe" fan site by Jagex's standards.

 

I trust the admins to have enough sense to do what's in the users' and the site's best interests.

[topper4125]

@Tripsis Think of the target audience of Tip.it for a moment. Would you agree that the target audience is Young Gamers? Are they going to be more tempted to click a "Click here to play a game" ad or an ad offering to "Clean up your credit report". This is a gamers website, with a young target audience... but not allowing Tip.It to run advertising that is targeted to their visitors is going to cost tip.it money: they'll get less "Click revenue".

 

This *IS* affecting Tip.It... financially, less revenue = less content, more time that the owners of tip.it have to spend in the real world generating that loss of income, and less time working on the site. And while *THIS* may be a burden tip.it is willing to take... what about the "next request" in order to remain in the good graces of Jagex, and the next, and the next... if you give them an inch... they'll take a mile.

 

just my two cents, do with it what you will.

[tripsis]

@Tripsis Think of the target audience of Tip.it for a moment. Would you agree that the target audience is Young Gamers? Are they going to be more tempted to click a "Click here to play a game" ad or an ad offering to "Clean up your credit report". This is a gamers website, with a young target audience... but not allowing Tip.It to run advertising that is targeted to their visitors is going to cost tip.it money: they'll get less "Click revenue".

 

This *IS* affecting Tip.It... financially, less revenue = less content, more time that the owners of tip.it have to spend in the real world generating that loss of income, and less time working on the site. And while *THIS* may be a burden tip.it is willing to take... what about the "next request" in order to remain in the good graces of Jagex, and the next, and the next... if you give them an inch... they'll take a mile.

 

just my two cents, do with it what you will.

According to a tech administrator, there won't be any revenue loss with this change.

[topper4125]

 

According to a tech administrator, there won't be any revenue loss with this change.

 

Well... I'm glad to hear that... now We'll see what happens when Jagex notices other games being discussed on the forums (Including and entire forum dedicated to Jagex's biggest competitor). I'm guessing it'll only be a matter of time...

[Big_Stingman]

Because I am totally not using ad blockers like many other people. No, definitely not.

 

I will keep an eye out for any inappropriate ads though.

[jimmy_jim]

 

According to a tech administrator, there won't be any revenue loss with this change.

 

Well... I'm glad to hear that... now We'll see what happens when Jagex notices other games being discussed on the forums (Including and entire forum dedicated to Jagex's biggest competitor). I'm guessing it'll only be a matter of time...

 

I'm sure they know we discuss other games on the forums. It's just that with the advertisements, the site was directly advertising different games, with the intention of people clicking on the adverts to play the game.

[topper4125]

 

According to a tech administrator, there won't be any revenue loss with this change.

 

Well... I'm glad to hear that... now We'll see what happens when Jagex notices other games being discussed on the forums (Including and entire forum dedicated to Jagex's biggest competitor). I'm guessing it'll only be a matter of time...

 

I'm sure they know we discuss other games on the forums. It's just that with the advertisements, the site was directly advertising different games, with the intention of people clicking on the adverts to play the game.

 

Here's the problem with that though:

(I'm putting on my conspiracy hat for this one)

 

Tip.it was advertising other online games long before the 'safe list' was made.

Jagex was probably more than aware of this fact.

 

Jagex gives Tip.It a taste of the Affiliation life.... Tastes pretty good to Tip.It

Jagex now says: We want you to change the way you conduct yourselves on your site.... or else.

 

Tip.It complies... no harm no foul right?

 

Now what happens when Jagex see's other things that's been happening here (and on other fansites) that they don't agree with.

 

It starts little, no one notices, no one cares... but where will it end. How many times will Jagex use the threat of removal from the "Safe List" as a weapon to bend Tip.It into what THEY want it to be? And what is their goal, to make Tip.It another arm of Jagex? If not, then why would they care WHAT Tip.It and other fansites use for advertising.

 

The Hacker Manifesto: He who controls the flow of information controls the world.

 

Who's really in control of the flow on tip.it?

 

It appears (for the moment) that Jagex has the upper hand.

 

Don't let my low post count fool you, I've been a quiet member of tip.it since 2005, and a user of their services for longer than that. Its a great website, and I'm a huge fan, but I'm just a little concerned about the influence the "Safe List" has over them

[tripsis]

 

According to a tech administrator, there won't be any revenue loss with this change.

 

Well... I'm glad to hear that... now We'll see what happens when Jagex notices other games being discussed on the forums (Including and entire forum dedicated to Jagex's biggest competitor). I'm guessing it'll only be a matter of time...

 

I'm sure they know we discuss other games on the forums. It's just that with the advertisements, the site was directly advertising different games, with the intention of people clicking on the adverts to play the game.

 

Here's the problem with that though:

(I'm putting on my conspiracy hat for this one)

 

Tip.it was advertising other online games long before the 'safe list' was made.

Jagex was probably more than aware of this fact.

 

Jagex gives Tip.It a taste of the Affiliation life.... Tastes pretty good to Tip.It

Jagex now says: We want you to change the way you conduct yourselves on your site.... or else.

 

Tip.It complies... no harm no foul right?

 

Now what happens when Jagex see's other things that's been happening here (and on other fansites) that they don't agree with.

 

It starts little, no one notices, no one cares... but where will it end. How many times will Jagex use the threat of removal from the "Safe List" as a weapon to bend Tip.It into what THEY want it to be? And what is their goal, to make Tip.It another arm of Jagex? If not, then why would they care WHAT Tip.It and other fansites use for advertising.

 

The Hacker Manifesto: He who controls the flow of information controls the world.

 

Who's really in control of the flow on tip.it?

 

It appears (for the moment) that Jagex has the upper hand.

 

Don't let my low post count fool you, I've been a quiet member of tip.it since 2005, and a user of their services for longer than that. Its a great website, and I'm a huge fan, but I'm just a little concerned about the influence the "Safe List" has over them

First of all, Jagex already knows that members talk about other games. They've seen our forums, they used to post on our forums. They have to know that we discuss other games and oftentimes complain about Jagex and RuneScape, sometimes in ways that Jagex probably doesn't like. I personally doubt that Jagex would ever attempt to control the content of the Tip.it site/forum. If they do, it's not Jagex that we have to worry about, but the administrators. In the end, it will be their decision. I believe that the administrators are capable of making the right decision. I don't think they'd let Tip.it's content be controlled by Jagex. Of course I can't speak for the admins but I know a lot of them and having been one myself, I like to think I have a pretty good idea of how they operate. As long as the changes Jagex are requesting do not affect the site/forum and its users, it makes sense for Tip.it to comply. Once they start making outrageous demands that will take away the freedom of the site/forum, I'm sure the admins will be able to weigh the advantages of being considered "safe" with the disadvantages that the Tip.it users would face with such changes and make the right decision.

[topper4125]

My Last post for the day.... And I'm NOT trying to start a flamewar or anything... just an open and free debate if you will, but the time is approaching for me to get to an appointment.

 

Once they start making outrageous demands that will take away the freedom of the site/forum...

 

Like the freedom to advertise items that may interest the visitors/fans/target audience which requires Tip.It to change Advertising parners? (IE: The way they run their site)