if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries.

 

sex without marriage is worse than raping someone. religion FTL.

 

So what you are saying is that you shouldn't accept a ride from Mohammed, because he'll rape you?

We all strive to be like Christ, but we all fail miserably.

Some of you strive to be like Christ.

 

Lots of you just do whatever the hell you want and then construct excuses for it from your books.

 

Again, you cannot generalize about any of these groups.

 

 

So in other words you have no proof, except the news. Ok. Still haven't found it in the Bible.

Proof of what, exactly?

 

If the New Testament is so peaceful, why is it that most of the last 2,000 years has been filled with Christians slaughtering other peoples, or each other?

 

Again -- it's not the book, it's what you do with it.

The New Testament is actually extremely peaceful and the entire point of Jesus's ministry is to show Jesus would be a Messiah of peace rather than war.

Even if I accept that the NT is "peaceful", that doesn't seem to have translated into anything meaningful in terms of peaceful behavior by Christians over the last 2,000 years.

 

Just one obvious example would be the widespread anti-Semitism in Christianity, which existed for centuries, and was indirectly responsible for the Holocaust. It's only in the last generation or two that the RC church has finally moved beyond this. So it's not like Christianity has been "more evolved" than Islam for a long time or anything.

 

It doesn't matter how wonderfully idyllic Jesus is in your books when people ignore it, commit evil acts and then use "we're flawed" as an excuse for it.

 

All of this really goes to my overall point, that trying to prove that one religion is more peaceful than another by cherry-picking quotes out of "holy" books is utterly pointless.

 

if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries.

Prove it. I have never heard of any such thing.

Godwin's Law from Qeltar? :o

The flaws are a way to explain any bad behavior. Also works so that the good ones don't get generalized along with the bad ones, which tends to happen anyway. And that's what caused this whole thing more or less, the bad ones causing a ton on unbridled hate aimed at the whole.

Godwin's Law from Qeltar? :o

There's a difference between just saying "yer a Nazi!" and bringing it up when it is relevant. And it is relevant in any discussion where Christians have an unfortunate tendency to forget some of their own recent history.

 

The flaws are a way to explain any bad behavior. Also works so that the good ones don't get generalized along with the bad ones, which tends to happen anyway. And that's what caused this whole thing more or less, the bad ones causing a ton on unbridled hate aimed at the whole.

Exactly. I'm not bringing up Christianity here to try to bash it. I'm making the point that when people start spouting [cabbage] like "Everything I need to know about Allah I learned on 9/11", they should know that the same illogical overgeneralizations can be directed at them as well.

The flaws are a way to explain any bad behavior. Also works so that the good ones don't get generalized along with the bad ones, which tends to happen anyway. And that's what caused this whole thing more or less, the bad ones causing a ton on unbridled hate aimed at the whole.

Exactly. I'm not bringing up Christianity here to try to bash it. I'm making the point that when people start spouting [cabbage] like "Everything I need to know about Allah I learned on 9/11", they should know that the same illogical overgeneralizations can be directed at them as well.

Oh. Misunderstanding then. Agreed fully.

Prove it. I have never heard of any such thing.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxbRcqmdtTk

 

this isn't the same one but i cant find the link for the one where a woman gets punished for getting raped because she accepted a ride. too many links when i google for the search words

 

but same deal. woman gets raped and gets punished for it. allah akhbar

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean you should.

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean we should. Or did we all forget the Golden Rule?

It's a sign of protest. Every extremist religious person has to realize it is no longer acceptable in today's world. Think of it as a "Hurry and catch up with the rest of us" wave.

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean we should. Or did we all forget the Golden Rule?

It's a sign of protest. Every extremist religious person has to realize it is no longer acceptable in today's world. Think of it as a "Hurry and catch up with the rest of us" wave.

And I thought freedom was allowing people to live how they wanted...

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean we should. Or did we all forget the Golden Rule?

It's a sign of protest. Every extremist religious person has to realize it is no longer acceptable in today's world. Think of it as a "Hurry and catch up with the rest of us" wave.

But why should we offend an entire religion because of the extremists?

Except that they're ruining other peoples' lives. That's a sign of freedom to you?

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean we should. Or did we all forget the Golden Rule?

It's a sign of protest. Every extremist religious person has to realize it is no longer acceptable in today's world. Think of it as a "Hurry and catch up with the rest of us" wave.

But why should we offend an entire religion because of the extremists?

Because only the extremists get offended

Except that they're ruining other peoples' lives. That's a sign of freedom to you?

No, but telling people to live the way you live isn't exactly the pinnacle of freedom either.

The claim you made was "if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries."

 

That's not true. It's total BS.

 

In the Qatif rape case (which you are referencing) the victim was punished for being alone with a male not her husband. That's barbaric and wrong, but it is NOT the same as saying that in that situation it's "legal to rape her". If it were, the rapists wouldn't have been punished.

 

A classic example of how people get facts wrong, twist things around, and start ugly rumors.

I never said get rid of religion. I said extremism is unacceptable

 

I don't know if you're trolling or you just don't realize how dumb your argument is

The claim you made was "if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries."

 

That's not true. It's total BS.

 

In the Qatif rape case (which you are referencing) the victim was punished for being alone with a male not her husband. That's barbaric and wrong, but it is NOT the same as saying that in that situation it's "legal to rape her". If it were, the rapists wouldn't have been punished.

 

A classic example of how people get facts wrong, twist things around, and start ugly rumors.

 

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?contentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon

 

allah akbar

 

oh and http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/17/world/in-pakistan-rape-victims-are-the-criminals.html?pagewanted=1

Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean we should. Or did we all forget the Golden Rule?

It's a sign of protest. Every extremist religious person has to realize it is no longer acceptable in today's world. Think of it as a "Hurry and catch up with the rest of us" wave.

But why should we offend an entire religion because of the extremists?

Because only the extremists get offended

No, the extremists are just the only ones who kill people that offend them.

You think religious extremism = killing people? Lol

The claim you made was "if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries."

 

That's not true. It's total BS.

 

In the Qatif rape case (which you are referencing) the victim was punished for being alone with a male not her husband. That's barbaric and wrong, but it is NOT the same as saying that in that situation it's "legal to rape her". If it were, the rapists wouldn't have been punished.

 

A classic example of how people get facts wrong, twist things around, and start ugly rumors.

 

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?contentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon

 

allah akbar

 

oh and http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/17/world/in-pakistan-rape-victims-are-the-criminals.html?pagewanted=1

 

Neither of those back up your claim either.

 

I'm no supporter of Sharia -- far from it. But I'd rather criticize what it actually is than a bunch of lies and false claims.

 

You don't help your case by making up things that are so easily refuted.

I never said get rid of religion. I said extremism is unacceptable

 

I don't know if you're trolling or you just don't realize how dumb your argument is

Think of it as a "Hurry and catch up with the rest of us" wave.

 

I know what I read. If you want everyone to "hurry and catch up with us" then why aren't you off offending the Amish or African/South American tribes?

So you took that sentence out of context and using it against me... what a joke

So why are you only applying it to the Muslim extremists? They're just following their religion like the Amish or the tribes.

riku, Amish people are pacifists - they don't make a point of killing people that offend them. This protest is actually quite a good idea for encouraging free speech, and is necessary in today's environment.

The claim you made was "if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries."

 

That's not true. It's total BS.

 

In the Qatif rape case (which you are referencing) the victim was punished for being alone with a male not her husband. That's barbaric and wrong, but it is NOT the same as saying that in that situation it's "legal to rape her". If it were, the rapists wouldn't have been punished.

 

A classic example of how people get facts wrong, twist things around, and start ugly rumors.

 

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?contentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon

 

allah akbar

 

oh and http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/17/world/in-pakistan-rape-victims-are-the-criminals.html?pagewanted=1

How dare you, you are extremely ignorant. Was it truly necessary to say Allah akbar there? Excessive stupidity like that is why Arabs, Christian or Muslim, find Americans disrespectful and bully-ish. The depiction of Mohammad to combact a specific instance in the censorship in which the work of an artist was ruined is acceptable, but ignorant bursts of garbage like pointlessly saying Allah akbar? What is your motivation for saying that other than pure mockery?

The claim you made was "if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries."

 

That's not true. It's total BS.

 

In the Qatif rape case (which you are referencing) the victim was punished for being alone with a male not her husband. That's barbaric and wrong, but it is NOT the same as saying that in that situation it's "legal to rape her". If it were, the rapists wouldn't have been punished.

 

A classic example of how people get facts wrong, twist things around, and start ugly rumors.

 

http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?contentID=2009020828735&method=home.regcon

 

allah akbar

 

oh and http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/17/world/in-pakistan-rape-victims-are-the-criminals.html?pagewanted=1

How dare you, you are extremely ignorant. Was it truly necessary to say Allah akbar there? Excessive stupidity like that is why Arabs, Christian or Muslim, find Americans disrespectful and bully-ish. The depiction of Mohammad to combact a specific instance in the censorship in which the work of an artist was ruined is acceptable, but ignorant bursts of garbage like pointlessly saying Allah akbar? What is your motivation for saying that other than pure mockery?

Nice job assuming he's an American.