"Everbody Draw Muhammad" Day

[qeltar]

^ Yeah.

 

Jokes can be made freely towards any religon. Why isn't this the same?

That's exactly why you see bumper stickers that say "Everything I need to know about Allah, I learned on 9/11."

 

Lmao, where can I get one of those?

Why would you want to put something so patently ignorant and foolish on your car? Aren't you worried that there might be some intelligent people in your neighborhood who might see it and learn something about you that you wish they hadn't?

[Kiriyama]

^ Yeah.

 

Jokes can be made freely towards any religon. Why isn't this the same?

That's exactly why you see bumper stickers that say "Everything I need to know about Allah, I learned on 9/11."

 

Lmao, where can I get one of those?

Why would you want to put something so patently ignorant and foolish on your car? Aren't you worried that there might be some intelligent people in your neighborhood who might see it and learn something about you that you wish they hadn't?

 

I'm going to put this in the most simple way possible..

 

It's Skully_Sc.

[Saru Inc]

You could say the Old Testament has this, and has that, but Christians of 21st Century as far as I know do not practice stoning of homosexuals or the honor killing of women.

No, they just start unnecessary wars and blow up abortion clinics.

 

There are radical and evil people in *all* religions, because religion by its nature attracts absolutists and those who are looking for a higher excuse to do what they want. It's just easier to notice them in someone else's religion than one's own.

Blowing up abortion clinics?

 

Unless I'm misreading something, that is a VERY hypocritical statement. As we all know, only very extremist Christians blow up abortion clinics, and the act is nowhere supported in the Bible. However, if I were to say all Muslims do is kill infidels, and blow up innocents for fun, you'd have a fit. After all, that's only the extremists, even though the act *is* support in the Qu'ran. Do you see the difference? I don't...

 

And you are absolutely right, there are tons of people who don't believe in a religion, but they still hide behind it in an attempt to justify their actions. But that's the person's problem, but the religion's problem.

[qeltar]

As we all know, only very extremist Christians blow up abortion clinics

And only very extremist Muslims fly airplanes into buildings. So why the double standard?

 

and the act is nowhere supported in the Bible.

Sounds like someone hasn't read very much of the Bible.

 

There's sufficient nonsense in any "holy book" for anyone to use it to justify anything.

 

If you want, I can expand on this. But I guarantee you won't like it.

 

Christians who want to draw grand conclusions about Islam based on what 19 people did should first check the insurance on their glass houses. They have plenty to be ashamed of themselves, including in very recent memory.

[Perakp]

It's funny how we've moved from democracy & capitalism vs communism & dictatorship, to democracy vs theocracy.

Obviously we can't fight theocratic movements with capitalism and democracy is a weak weapon against theocracy, so we are at a dead end.

I seriously see no way that we could get the muslim extremists to not be muslim extremists. Their system works, until someone puts it to end with violence, which may prove to be impossible.

[Skully]

^ Yeah.

 

Jokes can be made freely towards any religon. Why isn't this the same?

That's exactly why you see bumper stickers that say "Everything I need to know about Allah, I learned on 9/11."

 

Lmao, where can I get one of those?

Why would you want to put something so patently ignorant and foolish on your car? Aren't you worried that there might be some intelligent people in your neighborhood who might see it and learn something about you that you wish they hadn't?

Because it made me laugh, I don't mind what people think of me. :D

[Saru Inc]

As we all know, only very extremist Christians blow up abortion clinics

And only very extremist Muslims fly airplanes into buildings. So why the double standard?

 

and the act is nowhere supported in the Bible.

Sounds like someone hasn't read very much of the Bible.

 

There's sufficient nonsense in any "holy book" for anyone to use it to justify anything.

 

If you want, I can expand on this. But I guarantee you won't like it.

 

Christians who want to draw grand conclusions about Islam based on what 19 people did should first check the insurance on their glass houses. They have plenty to be ashamed of themselves, including in very recent memory.

 

You know the drill Qeltar, find it in the New Testament, or don't make blanket statements.

[qeltar]

I don't need to find anything anywhere. History has shown repeatedly that Christians who want to do evil acts find whatever they need whenever they need it.

 

Right up to the present day.

 

Doesn't matter what's actually written there. Nor does the convenient "ignore the Old Testament when we tell you to" red herring. The so-called "peacefulness" of the New Testament hasn't done squat to stop Christians from committing unspeakable acts.

 

Violent extremist Christians are the minority -- and so are violent extremist Muslims. It doesn't matter what's written in silly books, only what people try to interpret them as.

[Saru Inc]

So in other words you have no proof, except the news. Ok. Still haven't found it in the Bible.

[qeltar]

So in other words you have no proof, except the news. Ok. Still haven't found it in the Bible.

Proof of what, exactly?

 

If the New Testament is so peaceful, why is it that most of the last 2,000 years has been filled with Christians slaughtering other peoples, or each other?

 

Again -- it's not the book, it's what you do with it.

[Saru Inc]

So in other words you have no proof, except the news. Ok. Still haven't found it in the Bible.

Proof of what, exactly?

 

If the New Testament is so peaceful, why is it that most of the last 2,000 years has been filled with Christians slaughtering other peoples, or each other?

 

Again -- it's not the book, it's what you do with it.

 

Because Christians are normal people too? They commit the same sins as Atheists etc. They just believe in repentance. And what about the people slaughtering Christians? Btw, I'm not saying I don't agree with you, I just wanted you to back up your statement. I think Christians in general are hypocritical and judgmental etc.

[lordkafei]

I don't see what good EDM Day does.

 

Now If I were an artist, and I wanted to paint a picture of Muhammad delivering the Farewell Sermon or marching on Mecca, I'd do so. I'm not Muslim and not bound by its mores.

 

Art & religion have been intertwined throughout history. Sculpture, paintings, etc. teach us a lot about cultures and religions from long ago.

 

But this EDM Day has very little to do with art & culture and a lot to do with waving a red flag at people for the hell of it.

 

No thank you.

[Will H]

The problem is that one major aspect of a culture directly opposes and is not compatible with the other. Telling non-Muslims to not depict Mohammed is a direct violation of the concept of free speech. Nothing to do with religion, nothing to do with violence, it's just two ideas where one simply cannot hold true while the other does. The question is, what gives anyone the right to dictate what I draw or say when what I draw and say is not inherently harmful to anyone?

[Mr_Adam]

I didn't read through 5 pages of this, but I get that it's dumbed down to religious controversy again. I was really hoping to just see some pictures put up, because I had fun being racist today. Got an excuse to doodle and get my friends to make some cool tags. Because remember - Mohammad can anything! I may have been religiously insensitive throughout the day (and I do have a Muslim friend whom I jested with), but to be honest, the most I think Mohammad would feel is annoyed. This is a lot of free publicity.

 

and btw, EVERYONE'S A [bleep]ING HYPOCRITE.

[sees_all1]

I think Christians in general are hypocritical and judgmental etc.

All Christians are hypocrites. Still doesn't stop us from being Christian. We all strive to be like Christ, but we all fail miserably. Its what defines our humanity. Any Christian claiming not to be a hypocrite is delusional, and I recommend that you don't listen to them.

 

 

This whole thing about drawing Muhammad is punishable by death irks me, especially in this context. South Park offends everyone, that is it's point. Why one group feels they're so special that they could take laws into their own hands is beyond me. But then again, I've never lived in a theocracy. Silencing speech with violence is terrorism.

 

On the other hand, offending a large group of people for the actions of a few nuts is also reprehensible. Have your day and make your point; but after this leave it alone. It'll be interesting to see if this protest goes on much past today.

[Dizzle229]

Didn't Buddha do a line of coke? And nothing happened?

 

I think we can at least SHOW Muhammed.

[stevepole]

Didn't Buddha do a line of coke? And nothing happened?

 

I think we can at least SHOW Muhammed.

 

Yeah in the South Park episode Buddha is represented as a coke head and Jesus is a porn addict.

 

I really don't see how this turned into a religious argument. Its not christians vs. muslims. Saruman44, Qetlar is just trying to say that religion is open to interpretation. It's isn't something that needs to be supported.

 

I don't really feel like rewriting my paper, but a quick fun fact. When the Danish cartoons where released, Muslim nations boycotted Danish goods costing the country nearly $170 billion. Do you think this is something Comedy Central took into consideration when faced with this episode?

[fakeitormakeit2]

So in other words you have no proof, except the news. Ok. Still haven't found it in the Bible.

Proof of what, exactly?

 

If the New Testament is so peaceful, why is it that most of the last 2,000 years has been filled with Christians slaughtering other peoples, or each other?

 

Again -- it's not the book, it's what you do with it.

The New Testament is actually extremely peaceful and the entire point of Jesus's ministry is to show Jesus would be a Messiah of peace rather than war.

 

However there are explicit justifications of actions against "kafir" in the Qu'ran and the hadith. The words of Mohammad specifically say to not befriend kafir and instead terrorize them. Those who use this book to extremes should be silenced with satire. Even Mohammad himself commanded that they accept satire given to them and satire shall be the return! In one of the hadith [several like it] narrated by Aisha a Jew passes by and says As-samu alaikum (may death be upon you), a pun of As-salaam alaikum (may peace be upon you). The companions of Mohammad are like Prophet did you hear what that Jew said? Shall we kill him? And Mohammad said something like do not be rude to a person of the book [i.e. Jews, Christians, Muslims & Zoroastrians] and respond to their greeting with wa alaikum [and also upon you]. In that hadith Mohammad turned an insult into a joke, which certain Muslims obviously disregard if they wish to kill those who depict Mohammad. Therefore we are forced to respond in an indignant manner.

 

[hide=Do not befriend kafir verse]"O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."[/hide]

 

-I can't find the specific hadith I was looking for but there's numerous similar ones.

 

 

Edit:

Didn't Buddha do a line of coke? And nothing happened?

 

I think we can at least SHOW Muhammed.

 

Yeah in the South Park episode Buddha is represented as a coke head and Jesus is a porn addict.

 

I really don't see how this turned into a religious argument. Its not christians vs. muslims. Saruman44, Qetlar is just trying to say that religion is open to interpretation. It's isn't something that needs to be supported.

 

I don't really feel like rewriting my paper, but a quick fun fact. When the Danish cartoons where released, Muslim nations boycotted Danish goods costing the country nearly $170 billion. Do you think this is something Comedy Central took into consideration when faced with this episode?

I despise people ruled by the pocket instead of principle, it is even worse so if Comedy Central censored their writer's creative for their money rather than the thoughts of caution and offense.

[stevepole]

I despise people ruled by the pocket instead of principle, it is even worse so if Comedy Central censored their writer's creative for their money rather than the thoughts of caution and offense.

 

Their is the money, the death of Theo Van Gogh, and the constant death threats against Kurt Westergaard, one of the Danish cartoonist. A man even showed up at his house in January. Comedy Central isn't just protecting themselves but the safety of Trey Parker & Matt Stone along with other Americans and even the country as a whole.

[Bouwzie]

Didn't Buddha do a line of coke? And nothing happened?

 

I think we can at least SHOW Muhammed.

 

Yeah in the South Park episode Buddha is represented as a coke head and Jesus is a porn addict.

 

I really don't see how this turned into a religious argument. Its not christians vs. muslims. Saruman44, Qetlar is just trying to say that religion is open to interpretation. It's isn't something that needs to be supported.

 

I don't really feel like rewriting my paper, but a quick fun fact. When the Danish cartoons where released, Muslim nations boycotted Danish goods costing the country nearly $170 billion. Do you think this is something Comedy Central took into consideration when faced with this episode?

I despise people ruled by the pocket instead of principle, it is even worse so if Comedy Central censored their writer's creative for their money rather than the thoughts of caution and offense.

 

At least they still made the censoring a bit funny. Bloody muslims [bleep]ed up an episode though, it makes me sad :(

[Alg]

Because Christians are normal people too? They commit the same sins as Atheists etc. They just believe in repentance. And what about the people slaughtering Christians? Btw, I'm not saying I don't agree with you, I just wanted you to back up your statement. I think Christians in general are hypocritical and judgmental etc.

In my own cynical way I'd think people in general are hypocritical and judgmental. It's easier that way.

People are going to kill each other regardless of religion. Either they want something that the other has, the other person is different than they are, they pissed them off, and so on. Except in any society that kind of killing is frowned on, so religions are used to justify it. After all, who's going to complain if I say that I killed that guy because God said it's the right thing to do? You're not going to call out God on this are you? Ignoring the fact that I now have all of his stuff, of course.

And there were the many wars that people seem to ignore that had nothing to do with religion...

 

Though I think I recall reading/hearing that the point of the rule against depicting Mohammad is based on the idea that a man shouldn't be revered more than a God. Generally, the attention belongs to the God and not the prophet (Which may be why Jesus was elevated to the level of 'Son of God'). And that leads to a problem with devoting your life to very vague teachings that require interpretation and taking them at face value.

[Faux]

if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries.

 

sex without marriage is worse than raping someone. religion FTL.

[Alg]

if a woman accepts a ride from you, it's legal to rape her. this is true in sharia countries.

 

sex without marriage is worse than raping someone. religion FTL.

Is this related to anything discussed in the topic, or are you just using this as an excuse to rant?

[Faux]

Sharia is Muslim law.

 

In case you were ignorant of this.

[Alg]

Sharia is Muslim law.

 

In case you were ignorant of this.

Yes, I knew that. Kind of came out of nowhere though.