"Everbody Draw Muhammad" Day

[The Dark Lord]

Because that is funny and it makes Jesus look like a bamf. It isn't really on the same level as a picture of Muhammad being [wagon] raped by a pig, at least not in my opinion.

 

His point was that it is just as offensive (to certain Christians) if you posted a picture of Jesus Christ, yet everyone (including Muslims) seem to have no qualms at all with portraying Christ.

 

(Fakeitormakeit is a Christian who believes that the depiction of Christ is sacrilegious. I might as well point this out for the benefit of the discussion. He isn't a Muslim...)

[Saru Inc]

Because that is funny and it makes Jesus look like a bamf. It isn't really on the same level as a picture of Muhammad being [wagon] raped by a pig, at least not in my opinion.

 

His point was that it is just as offensive (to certain Christians) if you posted a picture of Jesus Christ, yet everyone (including Muslims) seem to have no qualms at all with portraying Christ.

 

(Fakeitormakeit is a Christian who believes that the depiction of Christ is sacrilegious. I might as well point this out for the benefit of the discussion. He isn't a Muslim...)

 

 

Yep, Eastern Orthodox church split over the use of icons in the Church. Some really do think its wrong drawing Jesus

[The Dark Lord]

Because that is funny and it makes Jesus look like a bamf. It isn't really on the same level as a picture of Muhammad being [wagon] raped by a pig, at least not in my opinion.

 

His point was that it is just as offensive (to certain Christians) if you posted a picture of Jesus Christ, yet everyone (including Muslims) seem to have no qualms at all with portraying Christ.

 

(Fakeitormakeit is a Christian who believes that the depiction of Christ is sacrilegious. I might as well point this out for the benefit of the discussion. He isn't a Muslim...)

 

 

Yep, Eastern Orthodox church split over the use of icons in the Church. Some really do think its wrong drawing Jesus

 

 

Not just the Eastern church. Some Evangelicals also believe that it's wrong to portray Christ. My father's a minister, and he was a pastor at a church that had a lot of people who didn't like people drawing Jesus Christ.

[paul191600]

I thought the Eastern Orthdox church used icons? Usually when I think Eastern Orthodox I think of those painted windows with Jesus. Or maybe just saints...

[The Dark Lord]

I thought the Eastern Orthdox church used icons? Usually when I think Eastern Orthodox I think of those painted windows with Jesus. Or maybe just saints...

 

The Great Schism was over the issue of icons. The Catholic church obviously uses a crapload of religious icons depicting Christ, so it's logical to assume that the Eastern church is the one that doesn't like depictions of Christ.

 

I believe the images that you're thinking about are Saints.

 

I'm not trying to get off-topic (too much), but I've wanted to visit a local Eastern Orthodox church in order to observe their practices. Personally, I'm an agnostic and my parents are Christians, but we are all confirmed Anglicans. I find it amusing, to say the least.

[OldJoe]

If people wanna do it, do it.

 

The SP episodes with muhammed in it wasn't and won't be showed here on tv since the situation about all this. Which i think is BS. It's caving in and censoring.

There's a couple of things that nags me to death in this modern society, and that's political correctness and censoring (which often go hand in hand).

[Zygimantas]

I think it's a totally justified protest. I hate that Comedy Central caved in to the scare tactic that those extremists sent to Matt and Trey. It's clearly wrong for people to get murdered over drawing something and I think it's a great protest to show the extremists that people aren't afraid of them.

The problem is that it's offensive to the moderate Muslims as well as the extremists.

 

You know what? If they are going to get offended by other people from other religions drawing their prophet then thats their fault. If they were actually a strong, peaceful religion then they would not care what others do or say about their religion because they would just let "god" take care of it and not them.

[Romy]

On a side note, Israel is passing out gas masks to thier citizens. There is a very good chance that Israel has nukes, so it will be interesting to see what happens to Damascus, Beirut, Amman, Tehran, Riyadh, and Mecca if Israel gets attacked. Heck, if I was in Israel's position, and I got attacked, within 24 hours Temple Mount would be a site of new construction, and none of those cities would still exist.

 

Israel has nukes, but it's extremely unlikely that it would use 'em. Not only using them would ruin it's image anywhere that still looks at it's positive side, but it will also physically reach Israel. As in, hurt it. It's too small and too close to it's enemies to use it.

 

 

 

OT: I think it's legitimate. A bit immature, but it's there to defend freedom vs. those who try to take it away, so I'm fine with it.

 

 

 

 

*** By the way guys, better not turn it into a theist vs. atheist thread. There's another thread for that.

[Skull]

I think it's a totally justified protest. I hate that Comedy Central caved in to the scare tactic that those extremists sent to Matt and Trey. It's clearly wrong for people to get murdered over drawing something and I think it's a great protest to show the extremists that people aren't afraid of them.

The problem is that it's offensive to the moderate Muslims as well as the extremists.

 

You know what? If they are going to get offended by other people from other religions drawing their prophet then thats their fault. If they were actually a strong, peaceful religion then they would not care what others do or say about their religion because they would just let "god" take care of it and not them.

No, it isn't their fault at all, sorry. That's not what any other religion would do, why should they? Sure, extremists murdering over it is [cabbage] and way out of line but the moderates have every right to be upset, just as members of any other religion do.

[Faux]

I just heard about this lol. Didn't india ban facebook over the fb group based on this?

[amadcupcake77]

This whole thing just has so much stupidity surrounding it, sad really.

[anonymous1234]

I'd actually be interested to read an article on what some normal Muslim people think of the terrorist threats. Here, the Catholic priests who rape boys are seen as monsters (by any sane person), so it's also very likely that normal citizens think terrorist threats are monsterish too.

 

Likewise, it's impossible not to offend other cultures because some cultures (i.e. our culture and theirs) are completely different. For example, it's offensive toward Western nations that Iran executes homosexuals or that Saudi Arabia practices Barbaric punishment for women who go outside social norms, but that's their culture. If they are in our country, our culture comes first, and they should respect it or leave. The same holds true if we visit their country. If it's against customs to kiss in public in Dubai, you should respect that custom and refrain from kissing in public. If you don't like that, simply leave Dubai. If they are offended that we practice freedom of speech (no matter how offensive it is), then they are free to leave our country at any time.

 

Summed it up pretty well.

 

 

Some Muslims probably will be offended by this event, but if something like a "National Rape Your Girlfriend" day appeared on a Muslim site, what would we do? We'd be offended, we'd probably talk crap about it, but if civilians publicized a death threat, the first place they're going is jail. As far as I know, no one has been punished for those death threats on Trey and Matt, although feel free to post proof that I'm wrong in this.

 

Except that would be a human right's violation, which can justify forceful action. Drawing a picture is not obscuring the rights of anybody.

[Giordano]

I think it's a totally justified protest. I hate that Comedy Central caved in to the scare tactic that those extremists sent to Matt and Trey. It's clearly wrong for people to get murdered over drawing something and I think it's a great protest to show the extremists that people aren't afraid of them.

The problem is that it's offensive to the moderate Muslims as well as the extremists.

 

You know what? If they are going to get offended by other people from other religions drawing their prophet then thats their fault. If they were actually a strong, peaceful religion then they would not care what others do or say about their religion because they would just let "god" take care of it and not them.

No, it isn't their fault at all, sorry. That's not what any other religion would do, why should they? Sure, extremists murdering over it is [cabbage] and way out of line but the moderates have every right to be upset, just as members of any other religion do.

Sure they have the right to be upset. I'm upset by the drug culture our society has, but what the [bleep] am I gonna do about it? I can't do much about it because I have to realize if they want to smoke pot or draw homosexual Jesus, I have to let them exercise their free rights.

 

You have the right to express.

You have the right to ignore.

[fakeitormakeit2]

Because that is funny and it makes Jesus look like a bamf. It isn't really on the same level as a picture of Muhammad being [wagon] raped by a pig, at least not in my opinion.

 

His point was that it is just as offensive (to certain Christians) if you posted a picture of Jesus Christ, yet everyone (including Muslims) seem to have no qualms at all with portraying Christ.

 

(Fakeitormakeit is a Christian who believes that the depiction of Christ is sacrilegious. I might as well point this out for the benefit of the discussion. He isn't a Muslim...)

I don't believe the three dimensional depiction of Jesus is sacrilegious, I believe it is inaccurate and detracts from the Glory of God. I criticize those who would kill over the depiction of their prophets as I don't killing people for having statues of Jesus and Mary. I cannot understand why one would kill over such a depiction. If someone was drawing blasphemous pictures of God I wouldn't give them a second of my time because I don't need to waste my energy fighting lies if I know my conscience is clear. There's even a saying in Arabic that one need not speak against the accuser if he knows the clarity of his conscience, I guess these crazy peeps don't understand that concept.

 

And yes the Eastern Churches use a lot of icons, normally a church has two on each side of the altar and many times a large iconostasis, wall of icons, in the middle.

 

I think it's a totally justified protest. I hate that Comedy Central caved in to the scare tactic that those extremists sent to Matt and Trey. It's clearly wrong for people to get murdered over drawing something and I think it's a great protest to show the extremists that people aren't afraid of them.

The problem is that it's offensive to the moderate Muslims as well as the extremists.

 

You know what? If they are going to get offended by other people from other religions drawing their prophet then thats their fault. If they were actually a strong, peaceful religion then they would not care what others do or say about their religion because they would just let "god" take care of it and not them.

No, it isn't their fault at all, sorry. That's not what any other religion would do, why should they? Sure, extremists murdering over it is [cabbage] and way out of line but the moderates have every right to be upset, just as members of any other religion do.

Sure they have the right to be upset. I'm upset by the drug culture our society has, but what the [bleep] am I gonna do about it? I can't do much about it because I have to realize if they want to smoke pot or draw homosexual Jesus, I have to let them exercise their free rights.

 

You have the right to express.

You have the right to ignore.

I like your last statement, right to express and right to ignore, although it is a bit too apathetic for my taste. This event is disrespectful and a shame it will occur because it will perpetuate the cycle of tension. However, Muslims have the ability to ignore it and so they can do just so.

[Alg]

This just sounds like an excuse to be offensive in the name of freedom.

[Romy]

This just sounds like an excuse to be offensive in the name of freedom.

 

You have to admit there's something to it. A series had to put up with violent threats in the name of religion.

[Kiriyama]

Violent threats from a minority should not be a cause for causing offence to a majority.

[Giordano]

However, Muslims have the ability to ignore it and so they can do just so.

Which is something I admire in a person.

 

However, if anyone's at fault here it should be Comedy Central. I understand the degree which respect comes into play such as putting pictures of a homosexual Jesus in front of a Catholic church or drawing Mohammad in a mosque. Though if something was to be played on Comedy Central, as the name would indicate, it would be in a joking and parody like manner, right? So why Comedy Central censored Muhammad is beyond my explanation, but because of that it started this "Draw Muhammad Day".

 

So if Comedy Central wasn't so scared on publishing it's show's needs and some fundamentalists weren't so self-centered, this event wouldn't of happened for the moderate followers of the Islamic faith.

[Alg]

This just sounds like an excuse to be offensive in the name of freedom.

 

You have to admit there's something to it. A series had to put up with violent threats in the name of religion.

So... It makes sense to get many more people to do the same thing that caused the threats, on a wider scale, with the intent of offending people. Yes, yes, a perfectly logical response.

There is something to it. This isn't it.

[Giordano]

This just sounds like an excuse to be offensive in the name of freedom.

 

You have to admit there's something to it. A series had to put up with violent threats in the name of religion.

So... It makes sense to get many more people to do the same thing that caused the threats, on a wider scale, with the intent of offending people. Yes, yes, a perfectly logical response.

There is something to it. This isn't it.

Don't get offended over a fairy tale then.

[Alg]

Don't get offended over a fairy tale then.

There's a difference between getting offended over a fairy tale and getting offended by people being offensive to others with different beliefs.

[Skully]

I don't give a [cabbage] about muslims or anything they believe in. It's a joke and people should lighten up. Everything is made fun of, it's up to the individual whether he takes it personally or not, and if it's the latter, that's their problem. :)

[Romy]

This just sounds like an excuse to be offensive in the name of freedom.

 

You have to admit there's something to it. A series had to put up with violent threats in the name of religion.

So... It makes sense to get many more people to do the same thing that caused the threats, on a wider scale, with the intent of offending people. Yes, yes, a perfectly logical response.

There is something to it. This isn't it.

 

I think it's immature, don't get me wrong. I also think there's something to it.

 

 

I don't see myself doing or encouraging anything like that, but can definitely understand where it's coming from.

[Dizzle229]

romy is a mod!!??!?!?!?!

 

*loud schoolgirl squeal*

 

OT just got more awesome.

[Guest Mrmegakirby]

Why is it offensive to show muhammad, again?