"Everbody Draw Muhammad" Day

[EarthySun]

What I'm saying is that you'd only be respecting them if you heeded to their wishes, so long as they mentioned that they found the pictures offensive rather than humorous. I haven't seen a single Muslim person on this thread who has complained about the pictures. You don't really know if they're offensive or not.

[Romy]

I think Das summed it up pretty nicely:

 

The problem is - while the pictures of Muhammad here started out harmless, they got progressively worse and while nothing was super offensive yet - this forum has the mentality of topping each other with more ballsy and more stupid things in order for laughs. It's better to just cut the crap now - then to have a bigger dilemma on our hand with super offensive images that get reports and people offended and trying to figure out what action may need to be taken.

 

It's ashame to see a thoughtful - provoking topic turn into a complete and total "lulz" fest because people have no limits into how extreme they will go for the laughter - if anything i'm hoping to preserve the intellectual integrity of this topic and keep it from offending our users all the way from China to Africa.

 

 

The pictures should not be the purpose of this discussion, but rather the ethics and morals behind them.

 

As Das mentioned earlier- If the pictures do not contribute to discussion, there's no point in them. Especially when it's disrespectful to any religion/culture.

[civie]

@Trol_slayer9: Indeed.

 

Koran says you must become a muslim or die, more or less. Aside from that, according to some historical evidence the Koran was a tool created by muhammed to become influental in politics of his city and surrounding area.

In short: koran is not holy. As is the bible, it's not even complete.

[Sam]

Koran says you must become a muslim or die, more or less. Aside from that, according to some historical evidence the Koran was a tool created by muhammed to become influental in politics of his city and surrounding area.

In short: koran is not holy. As is the bible, it's not even complete.

 

Isn't that a bit of a generalization? There may be terrorists/extremists who see Westerners as "infidels", but that certainly doesn't represent a stereotypical Muslim view of the world.

[Flodder450]

Remember when John Lennon said that they [The Beatles] were more popular then Jesus?

 

a bit related to this topic in my opinion

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Controversy

 

:thumbup:

[The Dark Lord]

Koran says you must become a muslim or die, more or less. Aside from that, according to some historical evidence the Koran was a tool created by muhammed to become influental in politics of his city and surrounding area.

In short: koran is not holy. As is the bible, it's not even complete.

 

Isn't that a bit of a generalization? There may be terrorists/extremists who see Westerners as "infidels", but that certainly doesn't represent a stereotypical Muslim view of the world.

 

 

Actually, it does. It does indeed represent a stereotypical Muslim view of the world.

 

However, most Muslims are hellbent on converting infidels. They're not exactly violent, but they are as blatant about it as the Evangelical Christians are.

 

Also, I've personally known a Muslim boy whose parents were from Pakistan. He said that his father would disown him if he did not participate in prayer everyday, five times a day, facing Mecca. I wouldn't exactly say that a lot of Muslims are angels...

[Riku3220]

Koran says you must become a muslim or die, more or less. Aside from that, according to some historical evidence the Koran was a tool created by muhammed to become influental in politics of his city and surrounding area.

In short: koran is not holy. As is the bible, it's not even complete.

 

Isn't that a bit of a generalization? There may be terrorists/extremists who see Westerners as "infidels", but that certainly doesn't represent a stereotypical Muslim view of the world.

 

 

Actually, it does. It does indeed represent a stereotypical Muslim view of the world.

 

However, most Muslims are hellbent on converting infidels. They're not exactly violent, but they are as blatant about it as the Evangelical Christians are.

 

Also, I've personally known a Muslim boy whose parents were from Pakistan. He said that his father would disown him if he did not participate in prayer everyday, five times a day, facing Mecca. I wouldn't exactly say that a lot of Muslims are angels...

Have you ever gotten a bad grade and said, "Oh man, my mom is going to kill me!" Obviously he's overexaggerating. Sure he'll get in trouble but his dad isn't going to actually disown him.

[Lemeja]

I think the difference between it being offensive to draw Muhammad, and drawing Jesus or some other holy figure, is that it's specifically mentioned in the Koran that a Muslim should not attempt to draw him. This would be less of a problem is South Park actually did insult or make humor of him, as was their goal, without actually drawing him.

[Dizzle229]

^^^

This.

 

I believe the censor bar over Muhammed himself was put there by South Park, not Comedy Central.

[fakeitormakeit2]

@Trol_slayer9: Indeed.

 

Koran says you must become a muslim or die, more or less. Aside from that, according to some historical evidence the Koran was a tool created by muhammed to become influental in politics of his city and surrounding area.

In short: koran is not holy. As is the bible, it's not even complete.

Please find that verse for me in the Qu'ran, I'm sure it's written just as all the other imaginary verses. I only have respect for comments such as it says X if they quote, and with properly scholarly knowledge of context. There are many things misunderstood by non-Semitic language speakers which create misinterpretations. There is one verse in the Qu'ran where it commands one to "terrorize infidels". That might seem horrible at first but with proper understanding of the linguistics, a better translation would be to "evangelize people without belief in God by persistent persuasion". Also many of the hadith say God loves those who are just, not mentioning them being kafir or not, just that they do what is right.

 

I find things such as this "protest" day with the right intent would be appropriate but with such misunderstandings such as "lawlz the Koorawn sayz keel tem wite pplz" it is out of xenophobia, misunderstanding and ignorance that people readily attack people's beliefs with offenses.

 

 

Edit: By the way, I believe someone asked to see a Muslim's opinion, this was the first article I found http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cair-a-muslim-response-to-draw-muhammad-day-94333684.html

[The Dark Lord]

I think the difference between it being offensive to draw Muhammad, and drawing Jesus or some other holy figure, is that it's specifically mentioned in the Koran that a Muslim should not attempt to draw him. This would be less of a problem is South Park actually did insult or make humor of him, as was their goal, without actually drawing him.

 

 

Well, the Bible does say that you should not make idols. Depending upon your interpretation of the verse that says that and what your definition of an idol is, you could very well find Jesus statues/drawings/paintings offensive.

[Romy]

Edit: By the way, I believe someone asked to see a Muslim's opinion, this was the first article I found http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cair-a-muslim-response-to-draw-muhammad-day-94333684.html

 

Interesting read. Although I kind of hoped the article would address the death threats. Interesting read nevertheless.

[Dire_Wolf]

I'm for being tolerant, and i am tolerant. But tell me, how is offending muslims by portraying Muhammad or Islam in a bad way, a way to practise freedom of speech? Someone drawing Muhammad (a non-muslim) is cool by me, as long as it's not offensive. Because western people have right to draw whatever they want to draw. But if you draw Muhammad in a way that's mocking to me, i will not tolerate it.

 

For example:

Idiot 1:

Drew Muhammad and Islamic signs with a bomb, obviously comparing Islam to a bomb and Muhammad a sucidie bomber

 

Idiot 2:

Draw a dog body and added Muhammaed face to it.

 

How is offending muslims a good way to practise freedom of speech? To me doing these kind of drawings is same thing as burning a countries flags. How would you feel if I burned down the UK or USA's flag? You would be offended right? Exactly, i am offended by these stupid drawings too. By the way i ain't intending to burn any flags, i am a tolerant person...

 

You say "Drawing muhammad is freedom of speech", and i say "Okey", but then you go and draw Muhammad in a mocking way and negative way, and i'm still supposed to say "Okey".

 

If you think that drawing Muhammad or Islam in a bad way is part of freedom of expression, then what stops me or others to burn flags? Because afterall it's FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION to burn flags right?

 

I support the cartoonist who drew the South park thing and hope no moron muslim annoys her. Her intentions don't seem negative.

 

Religion or not, a good human being knows the line.

[Will H]

I'm for being tolerant, and i am tolerant. But tell me, how is offending muslims by portraying Muhammad or Islam in a bad way, a way to practise freedom of speech? Someone drawing Muhammad (a non-muslim) is cool by me, as long as it's not offensive. Because western people have right to draw whatever they want to draw. But if you draw Muhammad in a way that's mocking to me, i will not tolerate it.

 

For example:

Idiot 1:

Drew Muhammad and Islamic signs with a bomb, obviously comparing Islam to a bomb and Muhammad a sucidie bomber

 

Idiot 2:

Draw a dog body and added Muhammaed face to it.

 

How is offending muslims a good way to practise freedom of speech? To me doing these kind of drawings is same thing as burning a countries flags. How would you feel if I burned down the UK or USA's flag? You would be offended right? Exactly, i am offended by these stupid drawings too. By the way i ain't intending to burn any flags, i am a tolerant person...

 

You say "Drawing muhammad is freedom of speech", and i say "Okey", but then you go and draw Muhammad in a mocking way and negative way, and i'm still supposed to say "Okey".

 

If you think that drawing Muhammad or Islam in a bad way is part of freedom of expression, then what stops me or others to burn flags? Because afterall it's FREEDOM OF Expression to burn flags right?

 

I support the cartoonist who drew the South park thing and hope no moron muslim annoys her. Her intentions don't seem negative.

 

Religion or not, a good human being knows the line.

 

No, a good human being should respect the freedom of others and grow a sense of humor. For goodness sake, Jesus is mocked and satirised so much, and Christians almost always accept that, and even laugh with the makers. If they protest, they can, but they should grow a sense of humour too. Yes, you can burn flags if you like, if you consider it an apt way to make a statement. You have to learn to bite these bullets, because otherwise you will only get fired at more.