Ye Olde Hegemony

[Icuownage]

It doesn't, it would be absurd to say he owns it when I actually own a nice large island there, and Rocco you could probably conquer the island north of it. So no he owns the western side of it and part of the centre, while I take claim to the eastern and part of the centre. The route I specified goes through my area. So there is no issue.

[Nero]

He doesn't even own the whole of it, he owns the area around his islands, and the route I specified doesn't go near them.

It's not exactly that far away. Maybe a day's sailing, which is a lot less time than it'd take you guys to load all your food or whatever.

So you've decided that it's worth potentially going to war with everyone because you've decided Europe's greatest avenue of trade belongs to you...?

[archimage_a]

Of course if France didn't tell Spain they were launching their ships.....

 

 

Also wind speed is generally less than 40 knots(It Sid Meier's Pirates is anything to go by. Also here)

Usually between 20 and 30 MPH

 

Distance from...

Port-Bou to Sète about 60 miles.

 

Thus between 2 and 3 hours to arrive there....During which time the French/whatever fleet could have sailed 60 miles away....

 

Furthermore, the wind does not only come from behind ships. Thus a ship from France may travel at 30 miles per hour, will a ship from Spain may travel at 20 miles per hour.

 

Also the issue of speed being far lower nearer land, thus meaning that the French ships should leave the cost line very early on to pick up speed. Which would then mean that the Spainish would also have to leave the coast line, which would give them very few points of referance and so it would not be a case of intercepting, so much as actually finding, the ships.

 

Essentially intercepting ships in the Med is like playing Marco-Polo when the other person is mute.

[Icuownage]

I love that game :o.

[Nero]

Of course if France didn't tell Spain they were launching their ships.....

 

 

Also wind speed is generally less than 40 knots(It Sid Meier's Pirates is anything to go by. Also here)

Usually between 20 and 30 MPH

 

Distance from...

Port-Bou to Sète about 60 miles.

 

Thus between 2 and 3 hours to arrive there....During which time the French/whatever fleet could have sailed 60 miles away....

 

Furthermore, the wind does not only come from behind ships. Thus a ship from France may travel at 30 miles per hour, will a ship from Spain may travel at 20 miles per hour.

 

Also the issue of speed being far lower nearer land, thus meaning that the French ships should leave the cost line very early on to pick up speed. Which would then mean that the Spainish would also have to leave the coast line, which would give them very few points of referance and so it would not be a case of intercepting, so much as actually finding, the ships.

 

Essentially intercepting ships in the Med is like playing Marco-Polo when the other person is mute.

 

Considering they're going on a colonial/conquest mission, with thousands of troops and supplies for thousands of troops, it would take them days to load everything, and then they'd be plodding along with ships loaded to the brim.

 

And if it was so hard to find ships on the Mediterranean, why were the Barbary pirates such a nuisance?

[archimage_a]

So your plan, sorry for my ignorance, is to get told the ships are massing a conquest fleet, rush to Marsallies, wait a few weeks while they load up, and then, after having seen you waiting, have them sail into your trap.

 

Or perhaps it is that you will arrive, send a bunch of fireboats into the harbour and disappear again....

Now if I was Ico or Rocco, I can't help thinking that, before launching my conquest fleet, I would send fireboats to Spain's fleet, destroy it with apparent ease, then sail my fleet away while they struggle to deal with the destroyed ships.

 

Alteratively I would prepare my conquest fleet at five or six seperate ports, underladen my ships, build escorts and thus not get destroyed that way...Or build decoy fleets, or maybe build a battlefleet under the guise of a conquest fleet and destroy your 20 cogs.

 

 

 

On the Barbary Corsairs...

A ) One assumes they had more than 20 cogs

B ) They didn't sit in the straits of Gibraltar half the time, they were spread across the med

C ) They were pirates by trade, they made masses of money out of raiding ships....for people to keep sending ships, most of them managed to get through....Common sense.

D ) The Corsairs didn't charge in against fleets of ships, but were predatory, attacking the lone merchant vessels(Doubtless you can find examples to the contray, but they are in the minority...)

Piracy does not, and cannot, work by deploying huge fleets against other huge fleets...It works by having your huge fleet dispersed over the seas in detachements of one, engaging trade ships.

 

I am sure now that I have said this people will do their usual thing of 'All of my ships travel in a pack'...which is great, but this huge convoy of ships is gonna get battered by storms and will be hugely inefficent...so...my advice is to just accept that Dusty will be a small time pirate, rattling his sabre and trying to convince people that his 20 cogs are undefeatable....

 

Just be safe in the knowladge that Retech is not an idiot.

[a_bert]

Kiev recognizes the ancient and truthful claims Leon holds upon all the seas of the mediterranean.

 

View Postroccodog25, on 11 July 2010 - 11:54 PM, said:

wtf why not?

 

idk

 

idk either

[Retech]

Almost forgot. Remember that cogs cost 50,000 every five years. To make this simpler, I am wiping cogs every five years so that you have to repurchase them. Admirals and experienced fighting crews stay the way they are, but the number of cogs will resert every five years. Much easier to keep track of than upkeep.

 

Second thing, Kievan scouts discover that there is a mountain passage behind the Mongolian citadel that is allowing them to smuggle food in. They also discover that there is a Mongolian force heading towards said citadel. :thumbup:

[a_bert]

I refuse to believe it took 2 years to find a mountain passage when my entire army of 50,000 troops (say) was surrounding said citadel.

 

Nor that no butthurt conquered Polish guy wouldn't have been like "Hello fellow christian, the Mongols are smuggling food in through this passage. Can I be favoured by you now?"

 

How big is this force then?

[Retech]

It was actually only a year, but I forgot. :oops:

 

 

 

Twenty thousand to fourty thousand.

 

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Announcement: Change in naval warfare. I am adding two ships. Since this is indeed a change, anyone who has invested in cogs may exchange them for a number of ships with equal price.

 

Combat-outfitted Cog

Cost: 100,000 (Note that this is cost, not upkeep. There is no more upkeep for combat oriented vessels)

Upkeep: None

Capacity: None, except for a crew and their supplies

 

Galley

Cost: 100,000

Upkeep: None

Capacity: None, except for a crew and their supplies (Less than Cog)

Special: Shorter range than Cogs. More effective than Cogs in Mediterranean.

 

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NOTE: Only trading cogs are wiped every five year period. Military ships carry over like regular units.

[Seraphi]

Okay, my Citidel is completed. What was the citidel symbol again?

 

Icu and Rocco, I'd be happy to allow you to use my coast to launch your ships. You could even establish a port there, since it would no doubt increase my trade revenue as well as yours. it would also mean being able to set sail farther away from the Spanish coast, and a shorter journey to the island controlled by France.

 

I'll probably recruit more troops or build some ships with my remaining budget, but I'll work that out later.

[Nero]

rub a dub dub, I've got a grudge

I have 20 cogs for colonization. My fleet is like...200 galleys and other assorted ships.

[Nero]

Why would that be?

[Nero]

Me and Archi have an odd relationship. I doubt either of us really dislike each other, we just have too similar personalities to get on extremely well.

[Retech]

How much funding have you put into your naval program Dusty?

[Nero]

Probably around 20m by now.

[The_Mather1]

Me and Archi have an odd relationship. I doubt either of us really dislike each other, we just have too similar personalities to get on extremely well.

Like me and Rocco. Right?

[Nero]

uh... pretty sure thats not possible. 3 castles = 15m. 20m for 200 galleys. I think this is only the 6th or 7th reset...

So, if it's the 6th reset, then that means I've spent a total of around 80m (adjusted for the time when I was only León and had a budget of 10m).

[Retech]

We have had five budgets I believe.

[Earth]

ypu.. only 5. so its been 26 days scince we started this.

[Nero]

*shrug* 70m then. 35m for the castles and fleet, 35m for the armies I've raised. That's completely reasonable.

[Icuownage]

You also gotta count 0, cause you started off with money, so yeah 6 budgets.

 

First budget - 10 million

Second - 12

Third - 14

Fourth - 20

Fifth - 20

Sixth - 20

 

Total - 96 Million

 

10 Million for castles

10 Million on schools

2 Million on research

18 Million on trade

50 Million on Armies

1 Million on Navy

[Nero]

You have an 18m IEG.

[Retech]

I did count the money you start out with, but I lumped it in with a reset. :thumbup:

 

21st

26th

1st

6th

11th

[Icuownage]

Retech has written it wrong, he knows its 20 million, he just never updates it, also for the past few budgets I've always made my budget add up to 20 million so it isn't like he doesn't know.

 

France - 10 million

Brudges - 2 Million

Sardina - 2 Million

Norway - 6 Million