Honour vs No Honour R2?

[British_Dan]

Well, From what i have read on Rsc, Their has been a previous Honour vs No Honour war in the past, Correct?

Now with Rsd Vs Rot and all the crap thats come with it, It seems one of these wars have come around again.

And if this is true, Personally Im going on Rsd's side. Rot's reasoning for starting this "Crash/World war" Just seem'd like they were waiting for an excuse to crash Rsd this whole time, And came up with the perfect plan to come to a conclusion on how to get Rsd in that situation, Claim Rsd ddos'd their ts/vent.

 

It's pathetic in my eye's to see how E-thugish Rot's members are lol. Even on their own forums. I use to like them, but enough is enough, it's just getting pathetic, And to the point where kids are dying because they spend so much time on this game (Lol).

 

On a serious note, Rsd is a great clan. I personally will be on their side if this "World war" was to take place, just because of Rot's reasoning for this is pathetic. And even Jagex has taken Rot's side, If you read the thread on Rsb, Jagex has given Rot the Rm and it needs to be taken place Before or during Sometime Thursday. Mod Timbo's reasonings for this was because "Something smelt fishy", Idiot.

 

Anyway back to the point. What are your thoughts about Jagex's choice to give Rot the Rm.

What are your thoughts on Rot's first conclusion to not getting their war is to crash all of Rsd's wars?

What are your thoughts on wheather Rsd actually diseveres this or not?

I'm just going by what i have read.

But from what i have read, that's the opinion i have been brought to beleive. :thumbup:

[Jifaru]

Well, From what i have read on Rsc, Their has been a previous Honour vs No Honour war in the past, Correct?

Now with Rsd Vs Rot and all the crap thats come with it, It seems one of these wars have come around again.

And if this is true, Personally Im going on Rsd's side. Rot's reasoning for starting this "Crash/World war" Just seem'd like they were waiting for an excuse to crash Rsd this whole time, And came up with the perfect plan to come to a conclusion on how to get Rsd in that situation, Claim Rsd ddos'd their ts/vent.

 

It's pathetic in my eye's to see how E-thugish Rot's members are lol. Even on their own forums. I use to like them, but enough is enough, it's just getting pathetic, And to the point where kids are dying because they spend so much time on this game (Lol).

 

On a serious note, Rsd is a great clan. I personally will be on their side if this "World war" was to take place, just because of Rot's reasoning for this is pathetic. And even Jagex has taken Rot's side, If you read the thread on Rsb, Jagex has given Rot the Rm and it needs to be taken place Before or during Sometime Thursday. Mod Timbo's reasonings for this was because "Something smelt fishy", Idiot. Or just maybe someones girlfriend needs to close their legs.

 

Anyway back to the point. What are your thoughts about Jagex's choice to give Rot the Rm.

What are your thoughts on Rot's first conclusion to not getting their war is to crash all of Rsd's wars?

What are your thoughts on wheather Rsd actually diseveres this or not?

I'm just going by what i have read.

But from what i have read, that's the opinion i have been brought to beleive. :thumbup:

 

I've never been into PvP much, and I'm maintaining a tradition of largely staying in CWA. And there's a good reason for that as well. But as of late, it's becoming harder to ignore. I feel that honor takes on a whole different meaning these days, ok'ing behavior that is not only disrespectful, but potentially dangerous as well. The meta might be going slightly too far.

[Ankit]

ROT got ddosed and left cc. How do you expect to fight 100v100 with no audio - especially when RSD's is up. ROT got on their backup after - and RSD decided not to RM. Don't see how it's fair, not saying RSD ddosed, but yeah. I feel ROT had the right to a RM.

[Guthorm]

Is it fair for ROT to have a RM? Of course. But there is no denying that it is funny to watch them QQ after getting a taste of their own medicine.

[Nobody]

From what I've seen no "top" clan is really honorable, it's all shades of gray. A world war of honor vs no honor is the silliest thing I've ever heard, it was just as silly the last time it supposedly happened. Clans need to take responsibility for individually and as a clan for their actions. I'm sure Jagex made the best decision they could with the knowledge at hand.

[British_Dan]

From what I've seen no "top" clan is really honorable, it's all shades of gray. A world war of honor vs no honor is the silliest thing I've ever heard, it was just as silly the last time it supposedly happened. Clans need to take responsibility for individually and as a clan for their actions. I'm sure Jagex made the best decision they could with the knowledge at hand.

Well, thats what people are calling it, I'm just repeating what i've heard.

Jagex's decision was not fair. Simply because "Something smells fishy", is not worth a Rm, And everyone knows that when this Rm does come around, it's just going to be another DDos war. Rsd's forums has been down since the day after the war.

And now Rot's got the Rematch, Their still going to crash them anyway. The honour vs No honour thing is just about the clans involved, Ok your veiws of what honour is may be different from others, But modenized Honour is not what it use to be.

And Rsd + TT + Corr are probably the best examples of this Honour.

Rot + Jagex knows it wasn't Rsd that done the DDosing, Therefore it's not Rsd's problem and shouldn't be forced into a Rematch, As they know that Rsd had no part in rule breaking during that war.

[bravehero12]

Didn't lovelost post a topic like this and get -1 bombed

[British_Dan]

Didn't lovelost post a topic like this and get -1 bombed

I have no clue :unsure:

[20Rice04]

Honour is defined by the views, and in relation to, everyone else. Therefore honour is maliable and a stupid idea to start with. What one person will call chivalry, another will label chauvanism.

 

It shouldn't be about honour because people change that as they see necessary and in order to fit their own needs. It should however be about respect; you should have enough respect for other people not to DoS them in order for you to stand above them; this has went from fighting for fun to fighting to win and it's just plain sad. Seriously, most of the top 10 clans are like people who show up to parties and trash the place- it makes me genuinely angry that some people don't have any respect for another's belongings. They think that they can just take what they want because they are stronger, or smarter. But really, if this is what they think' then please can someone show me what the [bleep] seperates them from animals?

 

Currently RoT are just being little [bleep]es about it. They'd DoS people left, right and centre at wars and they've made plenty of enemies while they've been at it; it's inevitable that someone was going to hit them back when they were vulnerable. RSD are not the kind of guys to pull a stunt like this. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're an honourable clan, but they do generally keep their heads down and just try to get good fights and have a good time.

 

Anyway back to the point:

 

1. Jagex are fully entitled to do whatever they want with their cup. If they want to give a rm then it is up to them

 

2. RoT and every other clan that have used tactics which involve sabotage need to grow the [bleep] up. As for crashing, it's childish, but so are the majority of runescape players. And at the start of the wilderness there are plenty of signs saying "Stop looking at signs, you're in the wilderness now!" I expect crashes to happen, I don't hate people for crashing, IMO it just adds another element of excitement and unpredictability to wars. If you want a fair fight get an awesome ac, get your fights in CWA or get out of the wilderness.

 

3. Deserve it? It is the morally correct thing to do to give a rematch. Personally my respect for RSD would've went through the roof had they given a rm. Instead it went through the floor since they didn't. Hundreds of people say "Rot and just about every other clan wouldn't have given a rematch". And to them I say: Who gives a [cabbage]? That's what makes YOU better than THEM, you are not afraid to do what is RIGHT. If you can't do the right or decent thing on a video game then it is easy enough to scale this into real life. Being Amorale about it is one thing, but being an [wagon] is a completely different level. Man Up, bite the bullet and rematch.

 

There's a reason why I like Tip.It more than RSC. Everyone here has respect, even when things get heated, good on y'all :thumbup:

[Krist115]

rsd will win

[Uffan5]

RSD will win regardless.

[Danny_TeamDan]

Oh sweet a crashing war topic! Haven't seen this in ages /sarcasm

 

Top clans have been crashing ea other for awhile. Even the self claimed honor clans crash. Honor is now more of we don't hack or ddos.

 

RSC is all propaganda and upset people, its expected that ROT would say they were going to crash. RSD should have just given them a rm, but it looks like ROT is getting one anyways.

 

In regards to you saying "I used to like ROT..." I'm pretty sure they've always been like this.

[Adr1an]

Honestly we as a clan have practiced not using audio in fights specifically because you may not always have a form of audio. Clans used to STRIVE to have high spam and not use audio. Heck there have been instances in which organization has been better when not using audio.

 

RoT got a taste of their own medicine although I do not agree with what occurred. Its an excuse to talk crap but once stuff happens to RoT they whine. Thats how bullies work though.

 

RoT should have dealt with it instead of leaving the cc.

 

Lol its not like they are going to win anyway. RSD will still end them with a great deal left.

[zq50]

Rsd should have rematched rot, rot is going to take it too far with crashing.

[Novaname]

Fair decision. But if RSD lose the rm things might get interesting.

[Deltaer]

If they were DDoSed and all their 100 people got kicked from the cc, of course they should get a rematch.

 

But there really is no honor in the clan world anymore; nothing resembling old school clan honor anyways... where ddosing was unheard of, and clans who crashed wars were pretty much excluded from the clan world (many clans refused to war them); multiclanning was strictly prohibited too (no teams or country clans). Things were pretty strictly defined back then.

 

I guess the only requirement for "honor" these days seems to be keeping away from DDoSing or hacking.. lol but seems like everyone's doing it. I personally don't care for crashing or inter-clan drama (as petty as the arguments and fighting can be), as long as people keep it within the context of the game, and don't go to the extremes attacking people personally. It can add an element of excitement to the game, and what's wrong with that?

 

But then again, do we even need an honor code in an online game? The no DDoSing/hacking thing should be common sense. Otherwise, it's all fair game -- anything goes.

[Jifaru]

Honour is defined by the views, and in relation to, everyone else. Therefore honour is maliable and a stupid idea to start with. What one person will call chivalry, another will label chauvanism.

 

It shouldn't be about honour because people change that as they see necessary and in order to fit their own needs. It should however be about respect; you should have enough respect for other people not to DoS them in order for you to stand above them; this has went from fighting for fun to fighting to win and it's just plain sad. Seriously, most of the top 10 clans are like people who show up to parties and trash the place- it makes me genuinely angry that some people don't have any respect for another's belongings. They think that they can just take what they want because they are stronger, or smarter. But really, if this is what they think' then please can someone show me what the [bleep] seperates them from animals?

 

Currently RoT are just being little [bleep]es about it. They'd DoS people left, right and centre at wars and they've made plenty of enemies while they've been at it; it's inevitable that someone was going to hit them back when they were vulnerable. RSD are not the kind of guys to pull a stunt like this. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're an honourable clan, but they do generally keep their heads down and just try to get good fights and have a good time.

 

Anyway back to the point:

 

1. Jagex are fully entitled to do whatever they want with their cup. If they want to give a rm then it is up to them

 

2. RoT and every other clan that have used tactics which involve sabotage need to grow the [bleep] up. As for crashing, it's childish, but so are the majority of runescape players. And at the start of the wilderness there are plenty of signs saying "Stop looking at signs, you're in the wilderness now!" I expect crashes to happen, I don't hate people for crashing, IMO it just adds another element of excitement and unpredictability to wars. If you want a fair fight get an awesome ac, get your fights in CWA or get out of the wilderness.

 

3. Deserve it? It is the morally correct thing to do to give a rematch. Personally my respect for RSD would've went through the roof had they given a rm. Instead it went through the floor since they didn't. Hundreds of people say "Rot and just about every other clan wouldn't have given a rematch". And to them I say: Who gives a [cabbage]? That's what makes YOU better than THEM, you are not afraid to do what is RIGHT. If you can't do the right or decent thing on a video game then it is easy enough to scale this into real life. Being Amorale about it is one thing, but being an [wagon] is a completely different level. Man Up, bite the bullet and rematch.

 

There's a reason why I like Tip.It more than RSC. Everyone here has respect, even when things get heated, good on y'all :thumbup:

 

 

lul, funny how one can fall back to a relativist viewpoint of honor but not of morality.

 

I agree with most of what you're saying. To expect people not to crash seems a bit asinine especially at this point. Even if "crash wars" were not to occur, there will always be individuals ready to take advantage of the blind spots that pop up when large clans clash against each other. I find this idea of "honour" to be especially antiquated; not advocating that we should disrespect two wars' clans by crashing them willy nilly, but moreso because there are more dishonorable things that go on than simply crashing someone's fight. On the issue of respect, just because we're on the internet and want to prove the superiority of our clan, does not automatically mean that everybody else is garbage. If Honour meant nothing more than respecting the other clan enough to not DDoS or hack, that would be a huge improvement. if we could get it to the point that everyone can walk away from a war, regardless of the consequences, saying, "wow, that was a fun, clean fight," then something has to have been done properly.

 

That, probably, is where Honor does exist. It is a pity that such discipline is easily stamped out by ruthlessness and self-love.

 

Anyway, it is irrelevant whether I have gained or lost any degree of respect for either clan. You won't see me or my clan in PvP save for rare occasions.

 

Clan rivalries are healthy. Clan hatred can be entertaining. Take it too far, and it might also be criminal.

[CruelKiller]

RM was given but RoT is still going to crash RSD..Dont know the whole situation about this Anti RSD unit but i see theres a big conflict over nothing tbh and i thought RSD was 2009 most loved :P irony at its finest

[Ralph]

You've been misinformed. RoT isn't crashing RSD because they Ddosd RoT's audio, they are crashing RSD because they didn't offer a rematch until Mod Timbo forced them to. Jagex made the right decision, but it's too late for RSD. Either way RSD will win the JCUP fight, but RoT and Anti-RSD (for the whole week it will last) will smash RSD until it all dies down.

[CruelKiller]

You've been misinformed. RoT isn't crashing RSD because they Ddosd RoT's audio, they are crashing RSD because they didn't offer a rematch until Mod Timbo forced them to. Jagex made the right decision, but it's too late for RSD. Either way RSD will win the JCUP fight, but RoT and Anti-RSD (for the whole week it will last) will smash RSD until it all dies down.

hmm thanks for the update but i see theres some clans that actually supports RSD in this Crash war and as i said before it was all over a CWA JCup match lol...

[Adley]

RSC propaganda and its finest.

[kuru72]

lol it was funny reading the posts of the angry RoT kids in RSC. Had a good laugh reading all those RSD v RoT related topics.