Bonus exp weekend

[Zaaps1]

 

 

[optimism] Everyone is intelligent in their own ways. [/optimism]

 

:thumbup:

 

On-Topic: I have to agree. I hate this. It's a terrible idea. Yeah I know, "if you're smart you can make tons of profit and well skills really efficiency", but who has the time and effort to plan everything out, outsmart the markets, lurk the GE waiting for the updates, and take some necessary risks to further the goal? Some people, I'm sure, and in reality, they're the only ones who can really benefit from this. Everyone else is just feeding them, more or less.

 

I haven't been able to farm herbs normally in days because seeds had problems buying.

 

And I couldn't do my Triple Charm minutes because prayer potions wouldn't buy.

 

Now, I can't farm herbs normally again because the herbs don't sell.

 

It's a nice thing to have, and hell yes I'm going to make the most of it. But when it starts messing with the normal order, it's got to stop. Jagex can say all they want that "oh the economy will be normal in a few weeks". That still leaves weeks of unaccounted for, and totally unnecessary, abnormalities in the economy that effect nearly every player and nearly every activity in the game.

 

All for 10 hours of bonus xp.

[lordkafei]

It's a nice thing to have, and hell yes I'm going to make the most of it. But when it starts messing with the normal order, it's got to stop. Jagex can say all they want that "oh the economy will be normal in a few weeks". That still leaves weeks of unaccounted for, and totally unnecessary, abnormalities in the economy that effect nearly every player and nearly every activity in the game.

 

All for 10 hours of bonus xp.

 

Hear, hear!

 

But Jagex is going to do what the tweener masses want for their $5 monthly stipend.

 

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.

 

We are at that state in Runescape where the masses want largess and Jagex is the happy enabler.

[Sir_Squab]

The majority of rs hates them, they need to gtfo and listen to their customers for once.

 

If that was true, we wouldn't be having this weekend. I think they could be implemented better, it does screw with the economy, but I'm still doing herblore like everyone else.

 

I think it'd be interesting for a DIY bonus exp weekend thing. You only get potions from herbs you collect yourself, etc. Announce it like a month in advanced.

 

Just a thought.

[Naraku893]

What many nerds on this forum fail to realize is that it is a game.

 

Don't rant on the weekend and just go with it. I just laugh at my computer when I see "0mdfg jauglex will ruin economyz!"

It's just funny to see people worry so much about the game, thats all. :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

[Rock Hard]

What many nerds on this forum fail to realize is that it is a game.

 

Don't rant on the weekend and just go with it. I just laugh at my computer when I see "0mdfg jauglex will ruin economyz!"

It's just funny to see people worry so much about the game, thats all. :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

ikr

 

those nerds!

 

what are they like!

 

;D

[Zaaps1]

The majority of rs hates them, they need to gtfo and listen to their customers for once.

 

If that was true, we wouldn't be having this weekend. I think they could be implemented better, it does screw with the economy, but I'm still doing herblore like everyone else.

 

Not necessarily. At the close of the last one, Jagex asked players "did you enjoy this weekend". They used those results to base the next on one. Two MAJOR flaws with that.

 

1) Players were not given enough time to witness the more long-term effects, such as a few weeks of "aftershock" effect.

2) Just because a player enjoys it, doesn't mean he or she wants another. To be honest, I enjoyed the last bonus xp weekend. It got me 95 summoning from 89. But do I want another? Did I even want the last one? Hell no, but if it's going to come around anyway, I might as well enjoy the time I get.

 

 

What many nerds on this forum fail to realize is that it is a game.

 

Don't rant on the weekend and just go with it. I just laugh at my computer when I see "0mdfg jauglex will ruin economyz!"

It's just funny to see people worry so much about the game, thats all. :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

 

Here's why it's so important.

 

Being that it is a game, it is meant for our enjoyment. Y/N?

 

Being that it is for our enjoyment, we shouldn't have to be unnecessarily aggrevated or deprived. (Stuff like the trade limit doesn't count, since it was a necessary change.) Y/N?

 

Now, if I'm trying to train farming and I can't buy any seeds, am I annoyed? Am I losing some enjoyment that I want to achieve by playing a game? Yes.

 

Is it unnecessary? Hell yes. No one really WANTED another xp weekend, and few players APPRECIATE another xp weekend.

 

What Jagex has done is changed the economy for at LEAST a few weeks. In those few weeks, players will not be able to enjoy the game how they please, because their options will be greatly limited due to the affected economy. Thus, for 10 hours of unwanted bonus xp, players will not be able to fully enjoy the game for WEEKS.

 

That is why Jagex "ruining the economy" is so important. Because it compromises the level of enjoyment a player can achieve while playing a game. I play this game to have fun, and if someone thinks they can take away some of that through faulty logic and smoke and mirrors, I think I have the right to be angry, upset, and rant.

[Grogthurk]

 

 

 

Is it unnecessary? Hell yes. No one really WANTED another xp weekend, and few players APPRECIATE another xp weekend.

 

What Jagex has done is changed the economy for at LEAST a few weeks. In those few weeks, players will not be able to enjoy the game how they please, because their options will be greatly limited due to the affected economy. Thus, for 10 hours of unwanted bonus xp, players will not be able to fully enjoy the game for WEEKS.

 

That is why Jagex "ruining the economy" is so important. Because it compromises the level of enjoyment a player can achieve while playing a game. I play this game to have fun, and if someone thinks they can take away some of that through faulty logic and smoke and mirrors, I think I have the right to be angry, upset, and rant.

 

 

The top two lines need data to back up the claims.

 

However, the third line of reasoning is wonderful.

 

I'm just saying, you can't say "no one" and "few" without real data.

 

You also can't say people will not enjoy it, or the gaming experience for weeks. You don't know.

 

 

I'm just being devil's advocate. I truly don't mind being proved wrong with some kick ass data. But throwing out statements like that is absurd without data.

[Zaaps1]

No data, because I'm not going to take a survey, but look at the forums. How many members truly are happy about this?

 

And as I've said before, people DO enjoy the weekend (Jagex's poll proves that), but that doesn't mean they necessarily want it.

[Grogthurk]

I understand that people dislike it. I'm just saying you can't base your argument as "matter-of-fact" without evidence for something like that. There could be a silent majority for or against it. Truth is, we don't know.

 

Again, devil's advocate.

 

 

My opinion is that double experience weekends aren't necessary, and I find them truly odd in Runescape. But, that doesn't mean I don't want them.

[SirHartlar]

I think the bonus xp weekends are great, any effect on the economy for regular players is minimally disruptive and there are ways to get around some items not being sold on the GE.

[Jaffy1]

~The below reflects my personal opinion, and not in any way that of Tip.It staff or crew, just for the record~

 

It seems Jagex learned nothing from the critics last time, and there simply (to my knowledge) is no reason that has not been countered in the past for why it is a good thing.

 

There are quite a few negative sides to it, and I don't really see why it is necessary.

 

Also, to Ralag - I don't quite understand this:

 

Not everyone has the time to grind out skills all day. Some people have lives, and the exp boost, for me, will allow to me to get more bang for my buck, because I'll only be able to play Runescape on weekends this fall.

 

Is "bang" not fun, rather than xp?

[stonewall337]

+1,000. [bleep] bonus exp weekends.

 

 

yeah... and [bleep] the government too@!!

 

 

:roll:

 

 

I LOVE BONUS XP WEEKENDS SO MUCH OMFG.

 

*Sits and waits to be called an unintelligent troll who has no idea how the game or economy works and is just a lazy new[bleep] ruining the spirit of the game; despite being here longer than the vast majority of the forum.*

 

I don't know about you guys, but I'ma be zmi'ing myself to 91 rc.

 

How do you Zezima 91 rcing?

 

And yes, xp weekends once a year are meh, but more just crowd bosses w/ all the new narbs with overloads, etc. Couple an xp weekend with a new boss and you'd get <3

[Zaaps1]

~The below reflects my personal opinion, and not in any way that of Tip.It staff or crew, just for the record~

 

It seems Jagex learned nothing from the critics last time, and there simply (to my knowledge) is no reason that has not been countered in the past for why it is a good thing.

 

 

Well they did LEARN something, they just used faulty logic. From my understanding, Jagex held a poll at the end of the previous xp weekend asking players if they enjoyed it. They used the overwhelming majority who said "yes" to justify a second. What they did not consider, however, was the fact that just because someone enjoys an event, doesn't mean they want another.

 

Because if someone is giving you free experience, are you going to tell them you disliked it? Probably not. Thus, for the simple reason that free xp was given, it was hard for many players to vote that they disliked the event, and do so truthfully, because, again, no one hates free stuff.

 

Jagex seems to have jumped to the conclusion that if many players enjoyed the first, they will enjoy a second, using the "axiom" that you can't have too much of a good thing. But when you compare the benefits to the outcome, an essentially 10 hours of free gameplay (double xp for 10 hours = 20 hours of gametime in 10 hours, thus you get 10 free hours) to being unable to enjoy the game you want for weeks, it is clear that these xp weekends, at least how Jagex is managing them, are not viable.

 

Interesting alternatives have been presented on this thread and the other. I saw "bonus xp, but only for resources you produced yourself". That I like, because instead of screwing up the economy, it "screws up" resource gathering by creating an influx of people woodcutting, farming, mining, etc. However, for skills, this is a good thing, because it promotes diversity, independence, and helps players open their eyes to more aspects the game has to offer. To prepare for that bonus xp weekend, you have to PLAY the game, instead of sitting at the GE waiting for your torstols to buy.

[Saru Inc]

But why should you be forced to play something you don't want? Why can't those who dislike it simply not partake?

[canadiansmurf]

There are quite a few negative sides to it, and I don't really see why it is necessary.

 

I actually agree with you on something.

 

The double exp cheapens the game and the timing of it is clearly just a ploy to keep membership numbers up at a time of year when most people are ending members.

 

At least the summon impact is minimal this time.

[Zaaps1]

But why should you be forced to play something you don't want? Why can't those who dislike it simply not partake?

 

Because it would still screw up how you play outside of the weekend.

[langer]

A huge number of people took part in the first bonus XP week-end, meaning some players probably re-subscribed to test it out.

 

Why would Jagex ignore the fact that these week-ends are getting them more money?

 

I get it that people with high herblore and summon are frustrated because more and more players are gonna compete with them at bosses. If I follow the usual line of thought from a great portion of TIF these days : "gtfo, shut up and let them play the game, stop whinning, the achievements of others are not lessening your achievements....etc".

[Zaaps1]

 

I get it that people with high herblore and summon are frustrated because more and more players are gonna compete with them at bosses. If I follow the usual line of thought from a great portion of TIF these days : "gtfo, shut up and let them play the game, stop whinning, the achievements of others are not lessening your achievements....etc".

 

That's a concern, but it's hardly the main concern. It's the fact that by using the weekend, only a small number can truly benefit at maximum efficiency while everyone else is diverted from playing how they want to.

[Sir_Squab]

 

I get it that people with high herblore and summon are frustrated because more and more players are gonna compete with them at bosses. If I follow the usual line of thought from a great portion of TIF these days : "gtfo, shut up and let them play the game, stop whinning, the achievements of others are not lessening your achievements....etc".

 

That's a concern, but it's hardly the main concern. It's the fact that by using the weekend, only a small number can truly benefit at maximum efficiency while everyone else is diverted from playing how they want to.

 

True, I was diverted from Dungeoneering to getting herb ingredients, but I don't mind that too much. Frankly, I think most people like this weekend, whatever the rants forum says (because, you know, the majority of people who are HAPPY with an update post in the compliments section :rolleyes: )

 

If the majority of RS says they like the weekend, and Jagex gets increased membership due to the weekend* and boosts the activity of players on RS significantly higher then at peak times* then it's logical for Jagex to have another exp weekend.

 

*I don't think these things, but they are probably true.

[Zaaps1]

It's logical, and I wouldn't blame them if it's a business ploy, but I still don't think it's right that they can just alter the game's workings like that and screw up players' play styles.

[langer]

It's logical, and I wouldn't blame them if it's a business ploy, but I still don't think it's right that they can just alter the game's workings like that and screw up players' play styles.

 

Everyone has the choice though... If you want to train herblore during that week-end, you are the one pressuring yourself to do it. I don't get how you can say a small amount of people can play at maximum efficiency...? Everyone is on the same field playing the same game...

[Zaaps1]

It's logical, and I wouldn't blame them if it's a business ploy, but I still don't think it's right that they can just alter the game's workings like that and screw up players' play styles.

 

Everyone has the choice though... If you want to train herblore during that week-end, you are the one pressuring yourself to do it. I don't get how you can say a small amount of people can play at maximum efficiency...? Everyone is on the same field playing the same game...

 

That's not what I meant.

 

For example, say you want an item for your regular daily playing, but you can't get it because it's in high demand elsewhere because of the weekend. Clearly, you are being prevented from playing the way you want simply because the market has been affected by the bonus xp weekend.

 

At one point, barrows items were difficult to sell, so I didn't go to barrows at all. Not only would it be hard to sell, but once it did sell, it would be at a much lower price than expected. Why should I do something now that the incentive has been taken away?

[langer]

 

 

That's not what I meant.

 

For example, say you want an item for your regular daily playing, but you can't get it because it's in high demand elsewhere because of the weekend. Clearly, you are being prevented from playing the way you want simply because the market has been affected by the bonus xp weekend.

 

At one point, barrows items were difficult to sell, so I didn't go to barrows at all. Not only would it be hard to sell, but once it did sell, it would be at a much lower price than expected. Why should I do something now that the incentive has been taken away?

 

Well you could always adapt. If barrows items are hard to sell now... a good idea is to wait for later to sell them. If an item is hard to obtain, get it yourself... Have you forgotten how it was done before there was a G.E. ?

 

The market gets shuffled almost anytime an update occurs, bones rose in price when curses were introduced, herbs and seeds rose in price when extreme were introduced... that "messed up" the economy and changed the game styles of many players.... Should Jagex stop making updates that "destabilizes" the economy?

[Zaaps1]

 

Well you could always adapt. If barrows items are hard to sell now... a good idea is to wait for later to sell them. If an item is hard to obtain, get it yourself... Have you forgotten how it was done before there was a G.E. ?

 

Yeah we went to world 2.

 

Now yes, you could just wait till later to sell, and yes, you could just get it yourself. But chances are, since you aren't doing that to begin with, it must be less fun and less enjoyable. I don't think it's right for Jagex to take away players' enjoyment so casually.

 

The market gets shuffled almost anytime an update occurs, bones rose in price when curses were introduced, herbs and seeds rose in price when extreme were introduced... that "messed up" the economy and changed the game styles of many players.... Should Jagex stop making updates that "destabilizes" the economy?

 

Updates are updates. Events are events. If a Christmas event released an alternate santa hat that made santas crash, would that be fair?

[langer]

It wouldn't be fair to current santa hat owners... but santa hat would ultimately rise back to their price.

 

I also still don't understand how Jagex is preventing you from playing the game in a way you enjoy...? If you like doing barrows.... what is stoping you? If your items not buying or not selling is upseting you... then your enjoyment lies with money, not skills or features.