Chaotic longsword versus Chaotic rapier (Stab)

[Dire_Wolf]

Chaotic longsword has higher strength and attack bonus than Chaotic rapier. So my question is, does the speed of Rapier really matter that much? Because Rapier lands NEARLY two hits before Longsword lands one, and it can hit 0. Where as Chaotic longsword has higher bonuses, so maybe it would be better or as good to use as Rapier for stab cases?

 

Please only stick to this situation:

High defence monster with weakness to stab. Example Metal dragons. Without slayer helmet

 

 

I am well aware Chaotic rapier is great for slayer and weak defence monsters.

[Cactuaar]

Yes speed makes a huge difference, the small increase in stab and higher strength of the CLS will not overcome the rapier's speed advantage. Also, rapier is 5/4 the speed of CLS I believe. And CLS can hit 0s too you know, not just rapier. But yeah, that 25% higher speed makes it better everywhere for stabbing.

[jetricx]

Rapier is better.

[Dire_Wolf]

Yes speed makes a huge difference, the small increase in stab and higher strength of the CLS will not overcome the rapier's speed advantage. Also, rapier is 5/4 the speed of CLS I believe. And CLS can hit 0s too you know, not just rapier. But yeah, that 25% higher speed makes it better everywhere for stabbing.

Rapier has 6 bars in speed (same as whip), and Longsword has 5 bars. So i took 100 divided by 6 and got 16%, so Rapier is only 16% faster, not 25%. Did i calculate it wrong? And yes longsword can hit 0 damage too, but wouldn't +13 stab attack bonus and +19 strength bonus make up for the -16% speed?

[Obtaurian]

It would be literally impossible for the CLS to be superior to the rapier in any situation where the monster is weak to stab, no matter the defense.

[Dire_Wolf]

It would be literally impossible for the CLS to be superior to the rapier in any situation where the monster is weak to stab, no matter the defense.

Your right. I focused so much on the high defence of a monster, that i forgot the weakness.

[ghjkl]

Rapier is 6- 6*.6=2.4 seconds per hit.

Longsword is 6-5*.6=3 seconds per hit.

[xpx]

Well i'm guessing that it could be possible in a situation of mithril dragons vs. no defender, no potions, no prayer, low equipment bonuses or what ever, but yeah, in practicality, it's not possible- CLS actually has a very low stab bonus(17 less than it's slash bonus) so it's a poor stabbing weapon, likely better slashing iron dragons than stabbing.

[Quyneax]

Yes speed makes a huge difference, the small increase in stab and higher strength of the CLS will not overcome the rapier's speed advantage. Also, rapier is 5/4 the speed of CLS I believe. And CLS can hit 0s too you know, not just rapier. But yeah, that 25% higher speed makes it better everywhere for stabbing.

Rapier has 6 bars in speed (same as whip), and Longsword has 5 bars. So i took 100 divided by 6 and got 16%, so Rapier is only 16% faster, not 25%. Did i calculate it wrong? And yes longsword can hit 0 damage too, but wouldn't +13 stab attack bonus and +19 strength bonus make up for the -16% speed?

Trouble is that speed bars do not refer to the actual number of ticks a weapon takes to attack once. That number you get by subtracting the speed from 10. For example, as Squareroot said, the rapier hits once every 10 - 6 = 4 ticks (one tick @ 0.6 seconds, so 2.4 seconds). The longsword hits once per 3 seconds, so every 12 seconds, the rapier hits five times and the longsword 4. That is 5/4 = 125% times the attacks by the rapier.

 

This is also interesting in the case of darts, who have speed 7, and 8 on rapid. Not using rapid will cost you 50% of your dps (minus the tiny bonus you get from using accurate, which is +3 ranged level iirc).

[gremmy]

http://forum.tip.it/topic/268592-chaotic-rapier-vs-longsword/

[Assume Nothing]

Yes speed makes a huge difference, the small increase in stab and higher strength of the CLS will not overcome the rapier's speed advantage. Also, rapier is 5/4 the speed of CLS I believe. And CLS can hit 0s too you know, not just rapier. But yeah, that 25% higher speed makes it better everywhere for stabbing.

Rapier has 6 bars in speed (same as whip), and Longsword has 5 bars. So i took 100 divided by 6 and got 16%, so Rapier is only 16% faster, not 25%. Did i calculate it wrong? And yes longsword can hit 0 damage too, but wouldn't +13 stab attack bonus and +19 strength bonus make up for the -16% speed?

 

Do you understand something called 'Game ticks'? 2 ticks for throwing knives, 3 for shortbows, 4 for whip, 5 for longswords, 6 for godswords. Every game tick is 0.6 seconds. Do the math yourself

[Dire_Wolf]

Actually i never knew about game ticks. Is this something for Runescape or all games in general? If Runescape, from where have ya read about the game ticks?

[Bladewing]

http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/RuneScape_clock

[Golvellius]

KBD and waterfiends are too perfect examples where I would say the higher stab accuracy is critical.

I have simulated a Crapier by wearing a shield and in both cases switching back to a defender increased my accuracy considerablely.

[xpx]

KBD and waterfiends are too perfect examples where I would say the higher stab accuracy is critical.

I have simulated a Crapier by wearing a shield and in both cases switching back to a defender increased my accuracy considerablely.

KBD has really low stab, and suprisingly slash defense, so he is certainly not a good example- rapier is much, much better there.

 

As for waterfiends, you'd be stupid to use either of those there are both SS and ZS are better.

 

As far as i can tell, the only place where there would even be a question of which is better is mithril dragons, ad that assuming you have really low accuracy boosts to begin with.