Migration Issues

[Iconic]

I know a lot of you are annoyed by immigration but why, specifically you Americans are worried about immigration.

Illegal Immigrants don't steal your jobs, they take jobs menial jobs that aid the country.

 

Anyway, Discuss migration here :D

[Giordano]

I'm not gonna start raging like in the other thread. All I say is this:

 

No matter what you do American government, illegals will pour into the country. Haha.

[obfuscator]

Immigrants, both legal and illegal, take all kinds of jobs - "good" jobs as much as "bad" ones.

 

I agree with nick, short of actually building that huge wall and dedicating 100% of the military to border defense the states will never manage to keep out a large percentage of illegals.

[das1330]

Immigrants, both legal and illegal, take all kinds of jobs - "good" jobs as much as "bad" ones.

 

I agree with nick, short of actually building that huge wall and dedicating 100% of the military to border defense the states will never manage to keep out a large percentage of illegals.

 

Not necessarily - it depends on who is immigrating. In the United States, immigrants from places like China and India are disproportionately educated such that most which come are doctors or engineers. This is in contrast to immigrants from Central America and Mexico, who tend to be uneducated, taking unskilled laborer jobs.

 

Jobs taken by immigrants are not universal. It depends on a number of factors.

[OldJoe]

Guess it will end up an American discussion, but anyways...

 

I support work immigration in jobs which lack workforce.

I don't like the lax immigration caps and requirements as some European countries have.

[Shiny]

I have no qualm over the job issue - I would much rather a higher qualified and ultimately better Chinese doctor administered to me and was an illegal immigrant, than a poorly qualified citizen doctor.

[Saru Inc]

I'm not gonna start raging like in the other thread. All I say is this:

 

No matter what you do American government, illegals will pour into the country. Haha.

 

 

SEEEMS LIKE WE MUST BUILD A BIGGER FENCE.

 

edit: no one likes spam, except for poor people... So...

 

 

I'm very mixed on the immigration issue, I am with it both ways. Like someone else stated, if a Chinese or (stereotype alert:) Indian Dr was more qualified to serve as my Dr, I would rather have them. But on the other side, I also think we should treat illegals very harshly, because at our unemployment rate, there are still many many jobs Americans who are here rightfully would love to have, but are taken by illegal immigrants.

 

 

Also, the first sentence was a joke.

[sees_all1]

If the federal government refuses to tackle illegal immigration, perhaps our civilian efforts are better spent making Mexico a better place?

[Giordano]

If the federal government refuses to tackle illegal immigration, perhaps our civilian efforts are better spent making Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Columbia, Venezula, Brazil, Peru, Equador, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, Argentina, and several African, Arabian, and Asian countries a better place?

It'll be too much work. Plus Americans won't be okay with it since America needs self-improvement we shouldn't be giving it to other nations.

[Arcantica]

can't blame the illegals themselves, it's the people who actually hire them who are to blame for everything. Tougher punishments for businesses and people who hire illegals is probably the only thing that would control it. A fine and a slap on the wrist just isn't going to set any examples. I don't see any reason to try to focus on physically trying to stop people from entering. The bigger the fence you build, the higher they will just jump lol.

 

 

I can't stand how most of the anti-immigration protesters end up focusing their hate on the people who are coming here themselves, more than the people they give them jobs in the first place. Anyone of us here would do whatever we had to, to provide for our families. Even if it meant sneaking into another country to work.

[Zierro]

If the federal government refuses to tackle illegal immigration, perhaps our civilian efforts are better spent making Mexico a better place?

 

Or making the US worse. :twss: <{dey took our jabs!!}

[Assume Nothing]

Should the United States kick out Asylum seekers? What if deporting them would cause them to get capital punishment?

[Arcantica]

we should have scalped all those pilgrims when we had the chance. :mrgreen:

[das1330]

Should the United States kick out Asylum seekers? What if deporting them would cause them to get capital punishment?

 

In the United States asylum seekers are not a major issue - relatively few exist, and those that do exist generally have very good reason for being in the country. People illegally entering the country to work are the issue here.

[Skeptical]

I despise those who believe that they are somehow special, having merely happened to have been born into a certain country.

 

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... but only if you're white and born here."

[Saru Inc]

I despise those who believe that they are somehow special, having merely happened to have been born into a certain country.

 

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... but only if you're white and born here."

 

 

Lol. Way to bring race into the equation. More like

 

 

If you're born here, you're a citizen. Say thanks to mom and dad.

[Saru Inc]

And in a lot of places, I mean A LOT of places in America, if you are white, you are treated like [cabbage].

 

 

Of course racism still exists, but it's not so one sided.

[Kimberly]

I despise those who believe that they are somehow special, having merely happened to have been born into a certain country.

 

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... but only if you're white and born here."

 

 

Lol. Way to bring race into the equation. More like

 

 

If you're born here, you're a citizen. Say thanks to mom and dad.

 

If you're not white in America, you get treated worse then someone who is white.

 

Not saying everyone is guilty of it but racism still exists.

 

Unless you're saying that immigration laws and how difficult it is to become a naturalized citizen are fueled by racism, then saying something like that is really just a flair for the dramatic and not to prove any sort of point.

[Saru Inc]

Perhaps. I think you would be correct. however, it may because citizens from there tend to be more... Law abiding.

[das1330]

Perhaps. I think you would be correct. however, it may because citizens from there tend to be more... Law abiding.

 

Immigrants, regardless of their country of origin, tend to be generally more law abiding then the general population.

 

 

Just a flair for the dramatic then.

 

Although im sure someone from the UK, or Germany would have an easier time immigrating to the US then someone from Mexico, Afganistan, or China. I think this is partially because of racism, ~ just an opinion with no evidence to support it.

 

Generally speaking no they do not have an easier time. Immigration to the United States is based upon skill and education - the more talented you are the easier it is to get in the country. True stars like major-league athletes, Nobel prizewinning professors etc have a ridiculously easy time immigrating to the US, while professional people (doctors, engineers etc) have it slightly harder. Only unskilled workers IE laborers are generally barred from the country, and even then the immigration lottery still provides for occasional slots.

 

 

I despise those who believe that they are somehow special, having merely happened to have been born into a certain country.

 

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness... but only if you're white and born here."

 

Whoever claimed birthright and race had anything to do with peoples' rights? People are born in one particular state and enjoy the rights that the state provides. It is nonsensical to be angry because your particular state happens to afford you superior rights and opportunities to everyone else.

[Skeptical]

Whoever claimed birthright and race had anything to do with peoples' rights? People are born in one particular state and enjoy the rights that the state provides. It is nonsensical to be angry because your particular state happens to afford you superior rights and opportunities to everyone else.

 

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

[OldJoe]

So you'd like open boarders, is what you're saying?

[das1330]

Whoever claimed birthright and race had anything to do with peoples' rights? People are born in one particular state and enjoy the rights that the state provides. It is nonsensical to be angry because your particular state happens to afford you superior rights and opportunities to everyone else.

 

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

 

The key word there being deny. Nobody is denying others freedom.

[Skeptical]

Whoever claimed birthright and race had anything to do with peoples' rights? People are born in one particular state and enjoy the rights that the state provides. It is nonsensical to be angry because your particular state happens to afford you superior rights and opportunities to everyone else.

 

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

 

The key word there being deny. Nobody is denying others freedom.

 

I may have access to the wealth, freedom, and security of the country I live in -

 

Others may not. Exactly how you can argue that you are not denying someone something, I have no idea.

 

 

 

So you'd like open boarders, is what you're saying?

 

Yes.

[OldJoe]

So you'd like open boarders, is what you're saying?

 

Yes.

 

Yes +1

Adding much to the discussion with +1. Would you like to elaborate further on why you feel this way or is a +1 sufficient?