Leverls and idiots

[ghjkl]

All you are doing is whining about the way other people count. It obviously does not matter except when one person insists that they are doing it wrong and then stubbornly refuses to adapt to the other four people in the group.

[20Rice04]

If someone said "I'll count" and ive not worked with them before I'd question how they'd count rather than illogical assume a specific form of counting.

But if you assumed a countdown surely you would of automatically realised u were wrong when he went 1,2 opposed to 3,2.

Then given it was ur mistake for expecting a go surely then on the second try it is logical to assume they expect you to of learnt they mean for u to pull on 3?

 

Given the fact that you're 65 dungeoneering, your attempt at a logical insult towards me is null since you grew up with the people you're trying to defend... you also can't 'ask them' because the majority like to think they're pros and start counting immediately. Your last comment works the other way as well.

 

Given the fact you have 95 DG, I'm assuming you also had 65 DG at one point too, don't forget your roots. And tbh, just assuming everyone is going to countdown the same way as you is pretty stupid. You should really have clarified before starting.

[Sy_Accursed]

If someone said "I'll count" and ive not worked with them before I'd question how they'd count rather than illogical assume a specific form of counting.

But if you assumed a countdown surely you would of automatically realised u were wrong when he went 1,2 opposed to 3,2.

Then given it was ur mistake for expecting a go surely then on the second try it is logical to assume they expect you to of learnt they mean for u to pull on 3?

 

Given the fact that you're 65 dungeoneering, your attempt at a logical insult towards me is null since you grew up with the people you're trying to defend... you also can't 'ask them' because the majority like to think they're pros and start counting immediately. Your last comment works the other way as well.

 

Given the fact you have 95 DG, I'm assuming you also had 65 DG at one point too, don't forget your roots. And tbh, just assuming everyone is going to countdown the same way as you is pretty stupid. You should really have clarified before starting.

 

Given the fact the ability to countdown exists entirely outside of runescape and the puzzle requiring it appears from lvl 1 dg lvl is hardly a factor at all in the matter; its justs the defence of a ranter who can't face being proved to be at fault in that he didn;t adapt when he clearly could of on the 2nd try when he shuld of known they were gonna pull on 3 not say "go"

[Lep]

I keep being told that I should have realized how they were going to do it the 2nd time, but when none of them says anything and just starts counting again, what am I supposed to assume? Even if they typed 'no' or 'ok' that would be better than them not replying at all.

 

Also, it comes naturally to me to assume that everyone will count the same way as me because when I was doing dungeoneering early in 2010 - that's when DG Elites was up and running (and didn't suck yet). Every single person would count 3,2,1,go and no one second guessed it because that's how it went. The fastest floor I ever had with them was a 20 minute large with 3 of the best dungers I've ever seen who would run around saying gk, yc, nw oc etcetera. I'd be amazed if anyone nowadays could keep up with that; I have yet to do a floor today that's even 35 minutes this year. Now, of course, not every floor was like that but they were pretty damn fast. I think I stopped dunging seriously around september and now that I've came back about 6 months after, things clearly changed. So yes, it's natural for me to assume everyone would still be counting logically 3,2,1,go. However, obviously I'm not going to assume that anymore.

[Sy_Accursed]

They don't need to say anything, you messed up; they didn't. You were clearly the one who did it wrong.

Trying again without saying anything makes it pretty much a certainty the exact same thing is going to occur as before; which means its pretty certain as u were the minority u shuld've done it their way.

[All_Is_Great]

When 4/5 people do it right, and you fail, your the one that messed up. And needs to change.

[Lep]

Lol it's like trying to argue religion to a bunch of atheists with you people.

[Sy_Accursed]

More like its a stubborn and arrogant person who think they are always right trying to argue he is correct when he was in the minority and pure common sense would of ended the problem on the second try.

You've got more chance of arguing grass is pink successfully than proving yourself right and the 4 other players wrong in this matter.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Sy_Accursed

[Lep]

^ Exactly what I mean.

[Sy_Accursed]

So your point is you are arrogant and stubborn and that rather than adapt to the way they counted for the 2nd try by using common sense you'd rather be complete stubborn and insist they are stupid and can't count and stick to your way; thereby making yourself look highly ridiculous as anyone with common sense can see on attempt two you culda beat the puzzle no problem.

 

Right gotcha.

[Lep]

It's as I said with trying to argue religion to an atheist. You just said

You've got more chance of arguing grass is green

lol. You think grass is another colour? :-|

[Sy_Accursed]

Freudian slip there in typing the actual colour.

 

And ur religion to atheist comparison is flawed.

Religion and atheism both have equal amounts of proof and disproof. Ie There's no proof there IS a god, but there is not proof there ISNT a god either; and its largely personal interpretation that decides your view and dictates what you get from that view. Equally there is no necessity for unity on the matter to progress; people's lives won't be stopped in their tracks through lack of religious belief agreement.

In this case:

4/5 people pulled on 3.

1/5 people did not.

 

Either method of counting CAN work, but as you all need to use the same one to progress it is common sense to take democracy rules and the minority becomes 'incorrect' for this situation, while the majority is correct.

Therefore it is a basic assumption that with no other explanation provided other than "trying again" the same correct method will be applied; which means everyone should at this point know to pull on 3.

It is only stubborn behaviour and refusal to adapt to the majority on YOUR part that has hindered progress.

 

It's like going to a movie with friends.

If 4 wanna see harry potter and you wanna see lord of the rings and you all want to remain as a group for the day you go with democracy rules are see harry potter, even though lotr is a valid motive choice.

In this example the 2nd attempt would be buying your tickets where by being stubborn you'd screw everyone over by buying lotr instead of harry potter thereby stopping the group progressing.

The "all remain as a group for the day" part is important here otherwise the link does break down a bit.

Edited March 19, 2011 by Sy_Accursed

[Jacks0n]

1, 2, 3. When you see the 3, pull.

[Obtaurian]

Lep, I think you're kinda going overboard with this. I mean, first of all, you're using 148 - you can't expect much from them (though in this case I think you're in the wrong). Second, I think you're under the impression that good dungeoneers don't exist anymore, which is definitely not the case. Third, dungeoneering methodology is different from when you got 90 dg; I think it'd be more worthwhile for you to spend your energy learning current methodology rather than just complaining about it.

[Rock Hard]

join the rest of the mmo world and use voice comm when attempting tasks that require a specific degree of team co-operation

 

/shrug

[Obtaurian]

join the rest of the mmo world and use voice comm when attempting tasks that require a specific degree of team co-operation

 

/shrug

 

I use Skype to dg probably 90% of the time and I ALWAYS count in-game. Skype can lag, causing everyone to hear the countdown at different times. Just sayin'. ;)

[Pfohlol]

I have never ever ever seen anyone say "go" in a lever countdown.

[green9090]

This thread is hilarious.

 

HEY GUYS I MESSED UP THE LEVERS MULTIPLE TIMES IN A ROW BECAUSE MY STUPID TEAM COUNTS THE WAY EVERYONE ELSE COUNTS INSTEAD OF THE WAY I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD COUNT

[ghjkl]

guys i have a problem

i was born in china and everyone speaks chinese

then i moved to the u.s and WTF NO ONE SPEAKS CHINESE

everyone in the u.s should speak chinese instead of english because when i was in china everyone spoke chinese

[All_Is_Great]

Actually theres people all over the US who speak Chinese.

[Sir_Squab]

I keep being told that I should have realized how they were going to do it the 2nd time, but when none of them says anything and just starts counting again, what am I supposed to assume? Even if they typed 'no' or 'ok' that would be better than them not replying at all.

 

Also, it comes naturally to me to assume that everyone will count the same way as me because when I was doing dungeoneering early in 2010 - that's when DG Elites was up and running (and didn't suck yet). Every single person would count 3,2,1,go and no one second guessed it because that's how it went. The fastest floor I ever had with them was a 20 minute large with 3 of the best dungers I've ever seen who would run around saying gk, yc, nw oc etcetera. I'd be amazed if anyone nowadays could keep up with that; I have yet to do a floor today that's even 35 minutes this year. Now, of course, not every floor was like that but they were pretty damn fast. I think I stopped dunging seriously around september and now that I've came back about 6 months after, things clearly changed. So yes, it's natural for me to assume everyone would still be counting logically 3,2,1,go. However, obviously I'm not going to assume that anymore.

 

You cooooooooooould just look at the person counting. There's animation for pulling the lever, last time I checked. Pull da lever when you see him pull da lever.

 

And obviously, your assumption there was wrong, as you said. You also aren't DG'ing with DG Elites. Obviously that was the convention for DG elites, but it isn't the convention anymore.

 

ANYways. There is no right or wrong way to count. Counting 3 - 2 - 1 - GO is just as valid as 1 -2 - 3 and pulling on 3. The trick is to adapt.

[Alistair]

Funny, I heard this when it happened in the chat.

 

Even if there are different conventions for counting (just counting, only you brought in the idea of a 'countdown') for levers, fact is that you should be quick witted and flexible enough to identify when the end of the count is and pull. If you don't, it will clearly fail.

I prefer the use of 1 2 3. 95% of people know when the end is without explanation or can at least work it out. If you can't, fix it. Should take less than 10 seconds from the moment the keyer says ggs levers (possibly + pray mage) to moving to the next room. I think 'go' is clearly pointless

[Cheefoo]

Its even worse when someone "doesn't know the difference between nod head and shake head". Every time you try to explain to them, they just can't quite grasp it. You end up praying the mime only gives them laugh or cry, which they then fail because they've never seen a human express emotion in their life. Then 2 people ragequit and your internet cable comes loose and tears off your penis.

[The_Gabe]

I key w148 ~35-40m minutes usually and I never run into that problem.

[Saunamajuri]

I always say: "On 3" when lever room is found.