Investigating the Wise Old Man

[1alebcay]

By the way as far as assuming things go, well... That is what we have been doing the whole time so far...

 

 

 

So as far as assuming things go....

 

 

 

We know WOM was on Entra, we also know he has incredible power and is incredibly old. If you are going to have some one wielding a staff like that they would need great power... The obvious choice would have been the WOM. When what they were originally planning to do succeeded they backed off. (not exactly...) But at any rate, once Zaros was banished the WOM was sent on a journey to retrieve the staff. He found the staff and brought it back, but along the way absorbed some of its power...

 

 

 

At any rate the last half of that theory can be shot down easily, but oh well it does make sense. (The first half)

 

 

 

Edit: Just a thought... How can there be a group of bandits in the desert (the bandit camp) during the third age. I thought civilization started in the fourth age... Also, that means Entra has been around for a long time so it might be a good idea to search there for clues.

 

 

 

Edit again:

 

Sorry, long post.

 

You think you have long posts...

[Randox]

1alebcay has a point about needing power to weild the staff of Armandyl.

 

 

 

If any of you have read the Bartimaus trilogy (books 2 and 3 mainly) you hsould rember Gladstones staff. In the books it takes a wizard of great natural power to control the staff without blowing themselves up.

 

 

 

I susspect that Armandyls staff is the same way, and that most people couldnt use it even if they knew how. This could be a good thing since perhaps many evil people wouldnt have the power to use it, however it would seem that the WOM migth posses magic ability and skill great enough to use the staff.

 

 

 

I feel much better knowing your average lvl 99 mage proboly can't pick up the staff and play god. (The WOM casts magic that would seem to surpase lvl 99 as far as I understand)

 

 

 

And im glad someone other than me thinks my stronghold idea migth hold something, so I don't have to think im nuts.

[Randox]

It has ocured to me that when they update varrock, some of our symbology and underfstanding may have to change. I was thinking that I don't belive there were as many religious symbols in the white knight castle before the update and we may expect simaler things in varrock.

 

 

 

With any luck it will lead to new clues and ideas without ruining old ones (like the mystery of the kings 3 residences, which I hope remian relitivly the same). Anyways get your pictures of varrock BEFORE it's changeed so we all have something to look back on.

 

 

 

Just a friendly reminder and suggestion :D

 

 

 

EDIT: I appoligise for the double post, I didn't even notice until after #-o

 

 

 

EDIT2: I have completed a prelimanary investigation of various areas around draynor. I though of something i'll discuss later that might be neat at least, but don't hold your breath for any ground breaking stuff. I will say I did forget something veary interesting about the grave in draynor, which I will reveal in my report.

[128backwards]

Hmm maybe I can help? it seems like you guys are mostly F2P, I'm a member so if you have someplace that needs investigating that you guys cannot I'm here.

 

 

 

and another thing...

 

So I propose this: What if Zaros has become split into 4 different entities that combined rule over the stronghold, or maby his power has formed into 4 distinct manifestaions.

 

Just like Azzandra and his diamonds from desert treasure....

[Randox]

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and another thing...

 

So I propose this: What if Zaros has become split into 4 different entities that combined rule over the stronghold, or maby his power has formed into 4 distinct manifestaions.

 

Just like Azzandra and his diamonds from desert treasure....

 

 

 

Yes something like the dimonds. Except is this case were talking entities, not inert objects, but I like the comparison all the same.

 

 

 

And it's always good to have members who can explore for us, I think over half of us are F2P though some were members once.

[skreeran1]

This doesn't really relate to the WOM (as far as I know at least), but I was in the Azarnian mines today, and I spied this:

 

 

 

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Where exactly is this? The Azarnian mines are inside a magic stone, so how could this be here?

 

 

 

EDIT: I checked RuneHQs persons database, and there's no record of a Sir Spishyus, so what if this is something Jagex is building right now?

[KCHughes]

Hmm. Could that be one of the NPCs that was involved in the Recruitment Drive quest?

[Xewleer]

Sir Spishyus? Suspicious... There is a gathering and organization of temple knights to fight mother mallum, a power lug who take people over. I think that is what we can attribute it too, can you get a better picture of him Skeeran?

[KCHughes]

Sir Spishyus? Suspicious...

 

 

 

Did you mean to say that? :-k

[Randox]

Sir Spishyus? Suspicious...

 

 

 

Did you mean to say that? :-k

 

 

 

All the white knights seem to have puns for names. I have done most of my investigation, to be posted tommarow. I thought of something that should occupy you all for a little bit should you chose.

 

 

 

And I am veary interested to see the new varrock when it comes out.

[Darkluniux]

This doesn't really relate to the WOM (as far as I know at least), but I was in the Azarnian mines today, and I spied this:

 

 

 

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Where exactly is this? The Azarnian mines are inside a magic stone, so how could this be here?

 

 

 

EDIT: I checked RuneHQs persons database, and there's no record of a Sir Spishyus, so what if this is something Jagex is building right now?

 

 

 

It's just the secret templar HQ part full of puzzles that you must solve to be a former Templar in the recruitment drive quest, nothing to worry about exepting that... How the Templars can take you from falador to near these mines in a flash?

[Latinoking]

This doesn't really relate to the WOM (as far as I know at least), but I was in the Azarnian mines today, and I spied this:

 

 

 

[hide=Inside the Azarnian Mines]

 

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Where exactly is this? The Azarnian mines are inside a magic stone, so how could this be here?

 

 

 

EDIT: I checked RuneHQs persons database, and there's no record of a Sir Spishyus, so what if this is something Jagex is building right now?

 

 

 

It's just the secret templar HQ part full of puzzles that you must solve to be a former Templar in the recruitment drive quest, nothing to worry about exepting that... How the Templars can take you from falador to near these mines in a flash?

 

 

 

It is hard for Jagex to fit stuff all togther so they choose the area around the mines to fit it in theirs other places like the abyss and etc.

[Randox]

Ok, heres my big fart of a report.

 

And don't blame me, blame how boring or reserched everything I looked at is....but still there is some interesting and resonably important stuff in here (though some of its only reminders) but still, I wrote it so READ THE DAMN THING. Just incase you were having second thoughts and skipping to the end :P

 

 

 

Ok, I started out with a quick cruise around draynor manor. I only did the first floor and the counts room in the second basement. Its not to interesting. I rember that there are blood waves on the wal on the second storry, but those really don't mean anything to us anyway.

 

 

 

Next I took a quick stroll around teh entire mansion, mainly just seeing if anything caught my eye, and one thing did.

 

 

 

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I had comepletly forgotten that the gravestone bore the sign of Zaros.

 

 

 

Now I did a strol through draynor, and the grass surrounding it, and I have somethign neat I did with the rocks to show you, but thats later.

 

 

 

The town is notably quite empty, I distinctly counted more beds than people, and morgan has someone who is not obviously his wife upstairs by the bed :-s which I find interesting :-k .

 

 

 

There is an empty room bellow the building with the crate full of puppets, it has the same holes in the floor as draynor manor (I do all of this on high detail), but it's proboly not a sign of anything sinister (unless disrepair is a crimminal offense).

 

 

 

I didnt see any egle things or the like on any walls.

 

 

 

I took a look at the wizards tower, the penticle is still there, and it ocured to me that evey wizard who you can talk to in that tower can preform at least one spell without using runes (as far as any of us can tell). I even took a picture of the rug incase you wanted to compare the colours to my other rug pictures (which I intend to do myself, but i'm not doing this on the comp with pics - for reasons known only to me).

 

 

 

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Now when I logged on, Trobigod suggested I look at the corn feilds because people killing cows is related to famine somehow, or something like that. And I thougt, well why not. I found nothing. (he might have said check 'the feilds' which makes more sense)

 

 

 

Actualy I discovered a loft you can clime to and a feild of few cows behind the windmill I had forgotten about.

 

 

 

I also did a 'man scan' of the swamp. For those of you who dont know, when a male walks into a room, stands in one place -or walks around without moving things- looking for something, its called a man scan. Veary fast way of searching.

 

 

 

Basicly I walked around the swamp, rotating my camera wildly and didn't see anything except carts. I did get a funny examine though, and this proves I was paying attention, even though my description of events would suggest other wise.

 

(And I wont bother hiding this)

 

 

 

 

Now, in paint, I made a whole bunch of black dots that corespond to all the rocks (that show on the world map) around draynor, and put them next to a picture of the same land. They are perfectly placed, I used pixel co-ordinates. Maby someone wants to fool around and see if they can make line sthat go places and figure stuff out, like in the begining when KC was using co-ordinates. I know I did a bad job explaining that one. The REAL POINT OOF THIS is for you to look at the dots and tell us if they look like anything: patterns, foundations, ancient civilization. I figured it would be easyer without the rest of the map.

 

 

 

This took me at least 20 minutes to make (because its oh, so precise and im using a trackpoint laptop) so you better at least look at it.

 

 

 

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I hope you have al enjoyed this, I did make efforts to put some comic relief in there (I always do when ther that long).

 

 

 

If you read the whole thing, well =D> . If you didn't charges arm cannon, you had best start running because my new location will be huntign your [wagon] down :twisted:

[bloody_scife]

Bravo! I don't see much of a pattern in those rocks, though. I'll look at them later, in a more intense study, I guess.

[Xewleer]

I notice that the dots in your picture are very similar (but not exact!) to constellations!

 

 

 

Northeast - similar to the big/little dipper

 

 

 

northwest-orion

 

 

 

south west, near middle, the pleides (7 sisters, except there is 5)

 

 

 

middle, south, the swan. (you know, the one with virgo I think)

 

I don't know what the ones below orion are though...

 

 

 

There we go! This maybe be the pattern.

[KCHughes]

Actually the middle-south one looks more like Scorpius.

 

 

 

Aha, scorpions again. I'm sure we wouldn't have noticed this if Wenlok and Alebcay hadn't pointed it out. :D

 

 

 

Of the three in the north west corner, the lower most one looks like Cygnus.

 

 

 

I remember pointing out that a group of rocks just west of the four special apocalyptic rocks resembled Taurus.

[1alebcay]

I notice that the dots in your picture are very similar (but not exact!) to constellations!

 

 

 

Northeast - similar to the big/little dipper

 

 

 

northwest-orion

 

 

 

south west, near middle, the pleides (7 sisters, except there is 5)

 

 

 

middle, south, the swan. (you know, the one with virgo I think)

 

I don't know what the ones below orion are though...

 

 

 

There we go! This maybe be the pattern.

 

All the constellations you listed had something to do with plenty.

 

 

 

You have to have water to use a dipper, and water is one of the most important things to "make" life.

 

 

 

To be a hunter, you have to have prey. Also when you bring your prey in you probably have plenty to eat.

 

 

 

You have to have a lot of food to feed seven people

 

 

 

And swans are graceful creatures and are normally associated with good things.

 

 

 

In the stronghold there was a good something in the middle of a bad something. Since Zaros is so crooked maybe the things there are the reverse of the things here. For instance there would be a little bad thing in the middle of all the good things. So maybe the bad thing near there is Draynor manor, after all it is on one of KC's coordinates. (Trobigod, please don't kill me for suggesting that famine is somewhere else then the desert...)

 

 

 

May I also point out that near the other one of KC's coordinates there is a symbol for something bad. (My picture of the spit stone.) And not to far away is one of the few large green places in the wild. (I believe the largest)

 

 

 

I guess what I am suggesting that maybe what I am suggesting is that at each of KC's coordinates there is a positive and a negative of Zaros'/Armadyl's power.

 

 

 

I know this is assuming a lot, but then and again that is what we are pretty good at here.

[KCHughes]

Wow, that's really coming full circle there. :lol:

 

 

 

As far as the other two coordinates, one is literally right next to the Temple of Ikov, the other is next to the two islands witht the two fighting Fremmenik brothers from that quest that was released not too long ago.

[Randox]

Well, it is concivable that Draynor manor could be our famine. It is full of dead trees, and the majority of the inhabitants are ghosts, skeletons, and a vampire. All those things are also dead, or undead. This is neat because I didn't really expect the rocks to come to anything, but I was hoping. I might try it with other areas and see if the same thing happens or if it's just a local phenomenon (sp?)

[1alebcay]

Wait, where's Trobi been? I have a bad feeling... He always like showing us how our ideas are wrong... Oh well.

 

 

 

As far as other areas go, you might want to try the wilderness, and all the areas in F2P near the coordinates. Specifically the lava maze (one coordinate is on the south east corner of it) and north of Draynor manor. (I have seen a lot of rocks there, and also across the river north of it. Also If you really like mapping stuff, it might be interesting to map some of the rocks near our rocks. (north of Falador) There are alot of interesting stones there, and not all of them show up on the map... Sort of like Rune essence stones...

 

 

 

Edit: You might want to update the first post... I don't envy you trying to sum all this up...

 

 

 

Also you might want to get rid of the thing asking for names... Maybe keep it somewhere else. A lot of the stupid posts on here are in response to that.

[Randox]

I might have alot of free time tomarow to get working on more rock maps. If not I should be able to start on wednesday.

 

 

 

And ya, maby it is time to update the first post, we have all been posting here so long we forget that other people still look at the first page(s).

[Xewleer]

I agree with randox, the edit for the first post is long over due.

 

 

 

Also, I would think that the desert is famine.

 

I also think 1alebcay is stretching it a bit, but oh well.

 

 

 

Also, what if Zaros is amandyl? I've been thinking, there has been no (in runescape) mention of Amandyl without some connection to Zaros, what if they are one and the same, two different sides of the same coin.

 

 

 

That is why he is called the Empty Lord, he has no definate personality, maybe a god of justice perhaps? Evil and corrupt, but in his other personality, just. Kinda like a weirder two face (from batman)

 

 

 

Eh, thats a long shot...

[Randox]

Xweeler migth be on to something too. Thats an interesting idea, Armandyl and Zaros being one. Maby they were split up before the god war and after each lost power (Armandyl lost staff and Zaros was stanbed by it) they had to become one again. Whether they were one before that, well who knows.

 

 

 

But I think that it is being suggested that Zaros is something like Gollum from Lotr. Zaros would be gollum and Armandyl would be smeagul, 2 sides of the same coin and completly different people.

 

 

 

I must think on this some more. :-k

[Latinoking]

In the quest "Horror from the deep" the lady starts off by thank Armandyl that you are here. She doesn't mention Zaros.

[Trobigod]

Trobigod, please don't kill me for suggesting that famine is somewhere else then the desert...

 

 

 

Wait, where's Trobi been? I have a bad feeling... He always like showing us how our ideas are wrong... Oh well.

 

 

 

I won't, I'll just kill you because you forgot that I said that the Pestilence is in the desert.

 

 

 

And I'll prove a huge cache of things wrong at once, it's faster. :D (actually I can't think of anything that would collide with the stuff being said lately :-w )

 

 

 

This doesn't really relate to the WOM (as far as I know at least), but I was in the Azarnian mines today, and I spied this:

 

 

 

[hide=Inside the Azarnian Mines]

 

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Where exactly is this? The Azarnian mines are inside a magic stone, so how could this be here?

 

 

 

EDIT: I checked RuneHQs persons database, and there's no record of a Sir Spishyus, so what if this is something Jagex is building right now?

 

 

 

It's just the secret templar HQ part full of puzzles that you must solve to be a former Templar in the recruitment drive quest, nothing to worry about exepting that... How the Templars can take you from falador to near these mines in a flash?

 

 

 

To be honest, their just fitting the "underground" sections rather close to each other, actually the icy area of The Temple of Ikov, surrounds the KBD "arena". Jagex (can't be bothered with the capitals) just has two different maps (at least that's my opinion) and the other is the actual World Map, whereas the other is the area with has all the dungeons, and other similar locations being seperated from it. OK that didn't make any sense at all, but I'm just trying say that the Arzinian Mines are in no way related to the Temple Knights. I think I could go on and on for ages on the subject and never make any more sense.

 

 

 

EDIT: Randox, I didn't read your post, if you want to book a time to hunt me, tell me in-game will you?

 

 

 

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I did read it, just wanted to see how you react

 

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