Investigating the Wise Old Man

[JimmyMcNabb]

The gravestone in that previous picture doesn't resemble zaros... the cross is like a christian cross whereas the zaros cross is simply an X

[KingWenlok]

Right, I've had a look through Wikipedia, and found a few interesting things about our friend Scorpio.

 

 

 

Scorpio is the eighth sign of the Zodiac

 

Notice that four and four make eight. Armadyl and Zaros both have these four facets of power which give them the strength and knowledge to defeat the other. And, since the four and four come together under Scorpio, who is one, I'm going to support Xewleer's theory that Zaros and Armadyl ARE one and the same. If they are two different personalities, that would explain why one would want to destroy the other. Let's think of the Stronghold as the mind of Zarodyl (just using a word to describe both Zaros and Armadyl as one)- if they are the same, then the battle would be going on mentally. The Stronghold could actually be Zarodyl's mind, with the both of them having a crazed fight to destroy the other, so one could be whole. It would explain the prison of Armadyl- Zaros could have overpowered Armadyl and trapped him in the darkest corner of his mind, but Armadyl managed to fight back and temporarily take control of Zaros. So perhaps they have half-split again, desperately trying to destroy the other.

 

 

 

and associated with intensity, passion, and power. Individuals born under this sign are thought to have a complex, analytical, patient, keenly perceptive, inquisitive, focused, determined, hypnotic, and self-contained character, but one which is also prone to extremity, jealousy, envy, secretiveness, possessiveness, cruelty and cunning.

 

Pretty much sums up Armadyl and Zaros- one knows compassion, goodness, patience, and isn't cowardly, however the other is a plotter, killer, torturer and will always rise against the other to cover the world in their beliefs. It seems that the two sections of characteristics seem to conflict, yet they come form the same person. This is strongly supporting the Zarodyl theory.

 

 

 

In terms of anatomy, Scorpio is said to rule... the reproductive system.

 

Now this is interesting. I believe me and Alebcay made a deduction that Zaros was breeding his own monsters, which were in the same likeness as him. He could actually be creating these things out of his imagination. Now, let's say that during the god wars, the two did split (as Randox said) during the god wars- if Armadyl placed his mind under the village and made it a Stronghold, what safer place would there be other than Armadyl's mind? I don't think at this time they knew that they were once one and had to split, so Armadyl would have thought that the Stronghold was virtually invincible. Then Armadyl of course lost the staff, and his power drained. Soon after, Zaros lost his power in a duel with Zamorak, and as such had to flee. Then they joined as one again. Zaros then saw the potential for the Stronghold (Armadyl's Mind), so then turned it into his own creation. However, as we've said, Armadyl escape. But still, Zaros was experimenting nonetheless, and now most likely has the strongest army the world has ever seen. The only thing Zaros needs now really is a physical form- and I think he will get that by killing Armadyl. If Zaros' mind is made whole, then he probably will be powerful enough to make a new body.

 

 

 

Medieval astrologers believed that "By virtue of its tail armed with its powerful sting, the Scorpion creates natures ardent for war and active service, which rejoices in plenteous bloodshed and in carnage more than in plunder. When warfare is in abeyance, they find themselves foes to attack, there are those who enjoy mockfights and joust in arms and devote their leisure to the study of war and every pursuit which arises."

 

Seems very apocalyptic to me- sort of also suggests that Armadyl's physical form isn't that of a scorpion. Firstly, why would he weaken Zaros' scorpions in the Stronghold? Secondly, Armadyl is pure- he wouldn't have these tendancies.

 

 

 

Oh, and oddly, Taurus, the opposite of Scorpio, has a symbol that looks very like the one of an eye. The Death layer seems to be quite a strange one- ultimately though, I think it's saying that every god, no matter if they're bound in love and friendship, will always do actions that lead to death in the end. We might have to study that Anubis-wannabe-guy-whose-name-I-keep-forgetting-how-to-spell a little bit more. :P

 

 

 

Off topic- am I the only one who thinks it's more than a coincidence that the accounts Blondie, Angel Eyes and Tuco aren't in the highscores? :mrgreen:

[Randox]

Trobi, it took me a couple of seconds to rember what I bolded in the investigation. I am glad you did read it though.

 

 

 

And your right about the way the map is layed out. I shall try to explain:

 

 

 

In the world, there are actually no levels. Every ladder or rope, or anything that moves you up or down a level really acts like a teleport, it moves you to a part of the world that is not displayed on the world map. All the dungons, and second stories, or other levels are proboly located south of tutorial island, or north of the farthest reaches of the wilderness.

 

 

 

And with all the evidence Wenlok has brougth to the table, the Zaros/Armandyl being one idea is stedily becoming reality.

[KCHughes]

Wow, this is really good info. Scorpio...has anyone seen Dirty Harry? (Another Eastwood movie, Wenlok :P )

 

 

 

And there is no way that I'm going to edit that first post. Maybe a little bit, but not too much.

 

 

 

And it seems Jagex hasn't updated the histories this week either. They're getting really lazy lately.

[firsttsurugi]

Well, it is concivable that Draynor manor could be our famine. It is full of dead trees, and the majority of the inhabitants are ghosts, skeletons, and a vampire. All those things are also dead, or undead. This is neat because I didn't really expect the rocks to come to anything, but I was hoping. I might try it with other areas and see if the same thing happens or if it's just a local phenomenon (sp?)

 

wouldn't that be death instead of famine???

[Randox]

Well, it is concivable that Draynor manor could be our famine. It is full of dead trees, and the majority of the inhabitants are ghosts, skeletons, and a vampire. All those things are also dead, or undead. This is neat because I didn't really expect the rocks to come to anything, but I was hoping. I might try it with other areas and see if the same thing happens or if it's just a local phenomenon (sp?)

 

wouldn't that be death instead of famine???

 

 

 

Good point, but what is the determining factor here?

 

 

 

Death is a result of famine, so should the manor be classifyed by result/current state, or by possible cause? I have noticed that some of our places qualify for both famine and death, however places like the desert are definatly more famine than death.

[Xewleer]

OK! I think we should decide this once and for all!

 

 

 

Death= dungeons (?)

 

 

 

Famine= desert!

 

 

 

disease= swamps (no other explanation... except the west ardougne or sophanem.)

 

 

 

War= wilderness

[Latinoking]

From the quests I've done I have seen no sight of famine in the desert :?:

[KCHughes]

OK, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that we're at a dead end until Jagex gives us the new histories, which might not happen till the end of this month with the way things are looking now. We need to try a different approach.

 

 

 

Remember that pyramid chart I made awhile back? That chart listed every NPC that we had good reason to believe that WOM has made contact with recently. That never really got off the ground, but I think we should revisit it to get us off the ground again. At the bottom tier of the pyramid were Larry the zookeeper, the residents of Shilo village, Reldo, Thurgo, the Chieftan of Tai Bwo Wannai, possibly Arrav, and the museum curator. Reldo and Thurgo won't tell us anything yet, so they're off. We can't talk to Arrav, so he's off too. We won't get anything out of the museum curator until the update probably, so we'll have to wait on him. That leaves, unfortunately, all the members areas - Shilo Village and Tai Bwo Wannai.

 

 

 

I remember that we had conclusive proof that WOM had physically been to both of those places sometime in the recent past, so these areas could contain something that would let us know what he was doing. If ANY member would like to, I think we should start by interviewing the residents of Shilo. He must have talked to one of them while he was there, maybe they can give us more information. The Chieftan may also, and possibly anyone else in Tai Bwo Wannai.

 

 

 

I'm going to revise that little chart and keep it updated on here, if you don't mind. :wink:

[KingWenlok]

Wow, this is really good info. Scorpio...has anyone seen Dirty Harry? (Another Eastwood movie, Wenlok :P )

 

Well my dad has I think, so I'll try and glean information out of him. :P However, I had a quick search through the Wikipedia, and apparently The Scorpio Killer killed four people. There are also four sequels to The Dirty Harry series, the last being titled, oddly enough, The Dead Pool. Jagex are clearly stalking you KC. :P

 

 

 

Death is a result of famine, so should the manor be classifyed by result/current state, or by possible cause? I have noticed that some of our places qualify for both famine and death, however places like the desert are definatly more famine than death.

 

Actually, I believe that disease follows famine in many cases. Most people living through famine just don't drop dead because of a lack of food- they get various diseases that are linked with dehydration and starvation. Then they eventually die. However, yes- the desert is famine. Notice that most of the countries taht do have famine in them are extremely hot, ending up with desert conditions. Life is scarce there, and without crops, water and animals, there will be famine. Since famine is, as you've said, close to death, that is why I believe that gods such as Zaros and Icthlarin have a bigger influence over there.

 

 

 

Death= dungeons (?)

 

 

 

Famine= desert!

 

 

 

disease= swamps (no other explanation... except the west ardougne or sophanem.)

 

 

 

War= wilderness

 

Thing is though, disease is also in the desert. I can see where you're coming from with the swamps of Morytania being linked to disease, as they are terribly similar to the Pestilence level of the Stronghold, and seem a likely candidate because of the ghasts and whatnot, but I think we should keep an open mind on the desert too. Or maybe all the apocalyptic tributes are in the desert- if you think about it, there's plenty of famine, lots of disease, and of course death. I'm not sure what would count as war though... the Kalphite Queen, maybe? Or Kalphites themselves... I mean, they do have ranks, which is similar to an army.

 

 

 

Oh and KC- I'm all for that little chart being updated. :D It will also give a chance for some of our members to do a bit of... work!

 

*Shoots Trobi's dragon square shield out of his hands*

 

There's investigating to be done. :P But anyway, I do believe that they will be at the end of this month, just to annoy us.

[curly55555]

Wenlok, disease could lead to famine too. A disease kills all the crops, no-ones eats, so famine. :ohnoes:

[Randox]

Your war in the deasert could possibly be somesort of civil war. I'm just throwing it out there, I don't know a whole lot about the desert citys.

 

 

 

But there was also 'the devourer', whos proper name I forget. She was a god who turned on her own human followers, so that might be your war. I know that the citizens of menaphos and sophenem rember what she did, but not that it was her who did it.

[1alebcay]

By the way, as far as one thing leading to another goes, All of the different things lead to each other, and they all consequently lead to death. War kills things and makes famine. Famine makes people fight to get food. Disease kills things and leads to famines, and lack of food leads to diseases. My point is anything can lead to anything, but they all eventually lead to death.

 

 

 

By the way, we really are pretty good at getting off track. Good thing the mods don't check this thread to often. (I think) If they did it would probably would have to have been locked by now, think how many times we have gone off on tangents not even directly related to the WOM. Even thought it makes me sad to admit it... the rocks aren't even directly related to the WOM. (I love those rocks... I don't know why)

 

 

 

Edit by the way KC, I will make it easier to edit the front page for you.

 

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You can add that to the front page. You might also want to make a section for ideas not related to the WOM. (Like the last 2 pages of discussion)

[KCHughes]

Ok, I've updated that chart a little.

 

 

 

 

You'll see that I've added some people to the bottom tier, the Keldagrim Dwarves, a guy named Sariboth who lives on top of a dungeon in Brimhaven, the Bedabin Camp and the Bandit Camp. The monks of Entrana are also on the fourth tier, because WOM visited Enrana not too long ago.

 

 

 

The book about his life ends as it begins talking about when WOM ventured underneath Entrana. I think something happened to him when he went down there. Just a guess.

[krisc6]

underneath entrana is a vast population of greater demons,zombies and the tree spirit guarding the drame tree and the only way out is through some sort of portal leading out into high level wildernes.

 

 

 

if that helps anyway but you probably already know that.oh and that entrana including the dungeon is weapon free

[firsttsurugi]

Your war in the deasert could possibly be somesort of civil war. I'm just throwing it out there, I don't know a whole lot about the desert citys.

 

 

 

But there was also 'the devourer', whos proper name I forget. She was a god who turned on her own human followers, so that might be your war. I know that the citizens of menaphos and sophenem rember what she did, but not that it was her who did it.

 

 

 

actually, the mahjarrat turned on her and cast a curse on her where no one will ever know or remember that she was ever responsible for her deeds. she also turned her followers to cats, hense the reason for the bob being zaros theory.

[Randox]

What I thought I might try and do tommarow was sum up everything we have done. Basicly write everything I know that I still consider to be relevent, than you people can all make any corrections, fill in gaps in my knowladge, and make editions. If it works this should give us all a refereance, and help us rember some iumportant things with ease.

 

 

 

And thank you firsttsurugi for the clear up on that stuff I said. But it's the first i've heard of her turnign followers to cats, I know that many of her followers are/were cats. I thought she just started killing humans, and may have even started killing cats.

[DoomIsNigh]

All I can say is, nice job guys. If that's considered spam then I'm sorry. I really just started playing RuneScape, so I don't know if I would be able to contribute much, but I just wanted to comment on your hard work.

[Xewleer]

Icthlarin absolutely hates, abhors, kills (eats?) cats, they are her natural enemies.

 

 

 

And Randox, I'll help you out, just give me something to do.

[RayOxide]

You can talk to a guard in a tree in Draynor now!

 

 

 

Please don't flame if already posted

[Xewleer]

You can talk to a guard in a tree in Draynor now!

 

 

 

Please don't flame if already posted

 

 

 

Stop posting this stuff people! We discuss this within the first 10 pages!

 

 

 

Darn it!!!!

 

 

 

Anyway, I also found out that there are multiple copies of the Saradomin rug in brown tan (sandy colored) blue and red possibly wwhite as well, just thought I should mention it.

[the_enforcer]

I recently completed the Swan Song quest and kept a copy of the book you recieve on the W.O.M. and one interesting insite is that his real name is Diodiseous, a great adventurer. (probably knew this already)

 

 

 

Also, him fighting the Kalifite Queen solo. Is the KQ an intellegent being, like the KBD, that could have some sorta connection to him and he needs to take it out as revenge of some sort?

 

 

 

PS - FYI: He has around 254 HP, he gets hit for 253 in Swan Song, but is still slightly alive.

[Jeda45]

note of intrest on carpets:

 

I have seen one carpet that has a:

 

black border

 

red

 

black star

 

most red/black have

 

YELLOW border

 

red

 

black star

 

guess who has the Black-Red-Black carpet?

 

[hide]The Wise Old Man[/hide]

 

:ohnoes: :ohnoes: :ohnoes:

 

oh yeah, i am a member. is that still helpful?

[RayOxide]

You can talk to a guard in a tree in Draynor now!

 

 

 

Please don't flame if already posted

 

 

 

Stop posting this stuff people! We discuss this within the first 10 pages!

 

 

 

Darn it!!!!

 

 

 

Anyway, I also found out that there are multiple copies of the Saradomin rug in brown tan (sandy colored) blue and red possibly wwhite as well, just thought I should mention it.

 

 

 

IT'S ONLY NEW IDIOT! Also, I said don't flame it.

 

 

 

I don't find this to be that interesting, so I don't read every single page and then post whatever I notice if it's not there. I just post. It's easier and doesn't waste TIME -.-

[1alebcay]

Oh man... If all these posts keep up I think I am going to shoot myself... (remember... they will all bet tired and leave eventually... wait... who am I talking to, you or myself...)

 

 

 

By the way, any chance we could get back to the WOM... (Ok, KC you really should update the main page soon... you might also want to mention things that have been brought up multiple times... such as the guard in the tree ect.) (I don't mind telling you to do it, I just won't do it myself)