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[indalecio]

Let me just get straight down to the point.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We all remember the person who got a 10k kill count and still got

 

 

 

virtually nothing.* However, that this person only killed Bloodworms, right?

 

 

 

Well, my recent study suggests that different monsters contribute different

 

 

 

types of runes to your reward.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(*In this post I will refer to this experiment as study X.")

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was doing a routine barrows run the other day, when my computer started

 

 

 

to lag, forcing me to refresh my world. In my absence, my char. apparently

 

 

 

killed 5-6 skeletons, because I was in a room full of them, and my kill count was

 

 

 

a little bit higher than when I had left. Now when I went to open that chest,

 

 

 

what should I find but 85 death runes? This was the first time I had gotten

 

 

 

anything other than chaos and minds in about 20 runs, so it was pretty nice.

 

 

 

Well, I thought about this for a while. Following "study X" I had only been

 

 

 

killing the brothers, with no luck. But after the incident explained above,

 

 

 

I wasn't so sure. I decided to try and re-create this experiment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

After killing the first 5 brothers in my next run, I descended into the tunnel

 

 

 

to take care of the last one. However, before I did, I went and killed 8 skeletons,

 

 

 

bringing my kill count for that run to 14 after I killed the 6th brother.

 

 

 

14! Fourteen! Absolutely nothing compared to the 10k achieved in "study X".

 

 

 

But when I opened the chest, I found almost 100 death runes! Maybe it was

 

 

 

just a coincidence. I needed to know. In the next 25 runs, I added between

 

 

 

6-10 skeletons to my kill count. Only an extra 2-3 minutes of work on my part,

 

 

 

but at the end of 23 out of those 25 runs I was rewarded with some amount of

 

 

 

death runes in addition to the usual minds and chaos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This study suggests that maybe it is not how many of something you kill, but

 

 

 

what exactly you are killing in the first place. In "study X", the researcher

 

 

 

(an extremely dedicated one I might add) had a kill count of 10k, BUT

 

 

 

99% of that was from Bloodworms. This is where he/she went wrong.

 

 

 

If he/she had killed 10k Giant Spiders or Skeletons, I'm not saying he/she would

 

 

 

have gotten 80k Death or Blood runes or something like that, but he/she almost

 

 

 

certainly would have gotten some, and I can guarantee his/her reward would

 

 

 

have been better than what it was. Here is where this post descends into

 

 

 

guess-work. I am guessing that each monster adds a specific type of rune

 

 

 

to the reward chest in a random quantity. I have made a table illustrating this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Barrows Runes

 

 

 

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Minds - = - = - Crypt Rats - Crypt Spiders - Brothers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chaos - = - = - Bloodworms - Brothers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Deaths - = - = - Skeletons

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bloods - = - = - Giant Crypt Rats - Giant Crypt Spiders

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, like I said, this is based on the fact that when I was doing runs with

 

 

 

only killing the brothers, I didn't get a single blood or death rune. Now there

 

 

 

may be some rare exceptions, but for the most part this chart should hold true.

 

 

 

If you are trying to get a specific type of rune, I would concentrate on killing

 

 

 

those monsters specifically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please keep in mind, this study is, as of yet, incomplete. We Tip.it'ers have

 

 

 

only just begun to dig into the mountain of secrets and tricks that the Barrows

 

 

 

may hold, but I personally am doing my best to reveal these secrets.

 

 

 

If somebody would like to conduct this same study on a different monster,

 

 

 

that would save me alot of time. Just kill 5-6 of the specific type of monster

 

 

 

for the next 25 barrows runs you do, and record your rewards. The more

 

 

 

people we have working on this, the faster we can confirm its truth.

 

 

 

I will be re-doing this same study, but with Giant Crypt Rats instead of skeletons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Help me out here! Any thoughts?

 

 

 

(Kudos to anyone who actually read all that.)

[urza1488]

Very ineresting data :arrow: I look forward to seeing the final results.

[The_Valor]

No, i dont think this is right at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The brother drops a set rune. THen the KC determines how many you will get, 10 KC being most used.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think KC actually cares what u killed

[Bloodveld]

Hmm, very original. I would suggest trying this out of all the monsters, not only one. Infact, I might just join you in killing them ;)

 

 

 

No, i dont think this is right at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The brother drops a set rune. THen the KC determines how many you will get, 10 KC being most used.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think KC actually cares what u killed

So then why did the guy who got 9,999 kc get about 200 total runes?

[indalecio]

Thanks for the support Urza. I knew I would get some nay-sayers, but

 

 

 

the final data will either prove them right or prove me right, so we will

 

 

 

see eventually.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Valor .. "Study X" already confirmed that kill count doesn't matter.

 

 

 

I'm trying to prove that what you kill matters, not how many of it.

[Cashguy1]

quite interestin

 

 

 

when i do barrows unless i get a kill count i dont get anythin at

 

 

 

most of this makes sense

[The_Valor]

Hmm, very original. I would suggest trying this out of all the monsters, not only one. Infact, I might just join you in killing them ;)

 

 

 

No, i dont think this is right at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The brother drops a set rune. THen the KC determines how many you will get, 10 KC being most used.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think KC actually cares what u killed

So then why did the guy who got 9,999 kc get about 200 total runes?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because as I said, KC determines what you get, I did not say that more would give you loads and loads more. 10 KC is what most poeple go for, past that it does not go up much at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

KC does matter in the first 10, there is a big diff with 10 kc than 6.

[indalecio]

 

 

 

Because as I said, KC determines what you get, I did not say that more would give you loads and loads more. 10 KC is what most poeple go for, past that it does not go up much at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

KC does matter in the first 10, there is a big diff with 10 kc than 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. It soudns like you are pulling your info directly from the Tip.it barrows

 

 

 

page, rather than from personal experience. And Bloodveld, I did say

 

 

 

that I planned to test this on the other monsters. And if you were there

 

 

 

helping me with this, it would make it go all the faster. I even said in my

 

 

 

post that any help would be GREATLY appreciated. I'm only one man after all.

 

 

 

One incredibly, incredibly sexy man, but one man nonetheless.

[The_Valor]

 

 

 

 

Because as I said, KC determines what you get, I did not say that more would give you loads and loads more. 10 KC is what most poeple go for, past that it does not go up much at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

KC does matter in the first 10, there is a big diff with 10 kc than 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wow. It soudns like you are pulling your info directly from the Tip.it barrows

 

 

 

page, rather than from personal experience. And Bloodveld, I did say

 

 

 

that I planned to test this on the other monsters. And if you were there

 

 

 

helping me with this, it would make it go all the faster. I even said in my

 

 

 

post that any help would be GREATLY appreciated. I'm only one man after all.

 

 

 

One incredibly, incredibly sexy man, but one man nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In case you are claiming I've got no idea about barrows :

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=401750

 

 

 

(Triple Chest Drop)

 

 

 

http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=394146

 

 

 

(11 drops in one weekend)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do know the barrows fairly well. I am no master and i dont claim to be, but don't try and shun my opinion please.[/url]

[Y2g2003]

Your theory makes sense, but in my honest opinion... I think its all really just random. I'm almost sure I've killed only the six brothers and recieved blood and death runes from at least a few trips. And they happened frequently enough that they couldn't be considered rare.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the other hand... its been awhile since I've been down there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I look at it this way. You can make all the theorys in the world about it, and not one will be fully accurate. This mini game (if you wanna classify it that, I do at least) has been out for what? Almost a year now? If a formula were to have been figured out... it would have been within maybe the six months of its release. I just feel that for every theory that is made, a new theory will be concluded that shoots down the very theory before it... and so on and so forth. Which leads me to believe that its simply all random. If there are any variables that contribute to what you get, they must be so small that its hardly noticable on a small scale. And twenty five trips is an extremely small scale.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One incredibly, incredibly sexy man, but one man nonetheless.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Spare me. :lol:

[tommy69801]

I'm not sure about this and i agree with valor, but as i type i am fishing/growing ranarrs for another day of barrowing so this time i will get some kc and have a look. Happy to help you prove/disprove this theory.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kudos for the well presented post 90% of tip.it'ers would have just came out with "Z0mg I lyke kild a skeleton and got sum deth roons!!!!!1"

[Trojann2]

*waits for Leesters to come post*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, i consider myself a very skilled barrower, using no prayer pots a trip, getting many different items (Guthans Spear thanks to Leesters :P). I have also tried doing this any have come to the Conclusion that is is ALL RANDOM!! *But im supperstisious, and NEVER kill bloodworms, if you examine them and it says "I might want to keep my distance from these"* So i've never really killed them except for the experiment. But goodluck trying it, but i don't really think it worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Goodluck!

[lavamancer20]

im gonna kill 100 gant crypt spiders and post the blood count along with other treauserses

[Freshwacka]

BOLT RACKS?

[anonimu]

Ok... I read the "study x" guy's post entirely, and it said that at 10k KC it says KC: too many... Then it said that he got 9,999KC... So he got KC: too many and KC: 9,999; not KC: 10,000 (what I mean by that is that 10k is not the same as too many because the chest could reset when you have too many kills

[Myweponsg00d]

Hmmm...I've been looking for a good reason to go back to barrows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will conduct my research individually, though. Look for my post in like a week.

[indalecio]

To all you people telling me I'm crazy; Just because it hasn't been proven YET

 

 

 

doesn't mean that I can't prove it to be true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And secondly, all further research is now cancelled. Computer lagged out

 

 

 

while fighting Karil, woke up in Falador missing about 4m in stuff. Don't

 

 

 

quite feel like it anymore. Sorry to anybody who was curious.

[Leesters]

No, i dont think this is right at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The brother drops a set rune. THen the KC determines how many you will get, 10 KC being most used.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont think KC actually cares what u killed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I got a kick out of this thread. Its always cool to listen to the theories and superstitions on how the chest works. Mine? I still use a wealth ring (even though Jagex said it doesn't matter) and I don't kill bloodworms (because the examine says "Better keep your distance") Hehe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let me talk about the facts, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I have quoted is not accurate. The brothers drop either a "set" of minds, chaos, bloods, or deaths. This "set" is as below:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Minds - 360ish

 

 

 

Choas - 120ish

 

 

 

Deaths - 80ish

 

 

 

Bloods - 40ish

 

 

 

Bolt Racks - 35ish

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The "ish" means its a random amount.. like the choas could be anywhere from 108 to 130, for instance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The monsters below drop a small amount of coins, which also goes into the chest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The kill count improves your chances of getting a better "set". So if your kill count is 6, you're more likely to get minds and choas. If your kill count is around 30, you're more likely to get bloods and bolt racks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, I've been meaning to make a post on this, but I've been super busy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE KILL COUNT INCREASES YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING A BARROWS ITEM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, its true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With 400 runs at a kill count of 10-20, I got an item in the chest in one in every 18 chests open, (always killing all six, which makes a difference too, per Jagex) as you all know from my Barrows Guide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, lately, I've done another 300 runs with 20+ kill count every time, still killing all six, and I've averaged an item in every 12 chests. Thats a significant difference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, there you go. I will start doing runs now with over 30 kill count to see if that high of a number still makes a significant difference.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Keep in mind, if you're gonna do an experiment with kill count, you have to do A LOT OF RUNS for the numbers to be worth anything. The sample has to be large enough to prove anything. You can't go 10 times and make any conclusions. My 400 runs still has a large "margin of error" statistically speaking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The expert has spoken. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ON TOPIC: The chest does not remember WHAT tunnel monsters you kill, only how many... and they only drop coins anyway.

[caughtjoo]

Some brothers drop deaths though, I have gotten them even though I do 6kc runs.

[Lionheart_0]

If this is true info, then i think ill go to the burrows now (i cant kill the brothers though....) and get me some runes. Or can you only open the cheast after killing the brothers? (sorry, i never go to burrows just because im too low lved)

[Soma2035]

I think i'll try my own little experiment then... this sounds like an interesting theory.

[RaScape]

lol Leesters has done it again. Nice theory though man, I was believing it until Leesters posted but the again both of you could be wrong. Could..don't cause a fire anyone responding to this.

[elkay]

One Problem, I kill the 6 brothers and then open the chest.... and it just so happens that I get rewarded with some death runes.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I never kill the skeletons :oops:

[Swordwiz]

Well, I used to do barrows by just killing the brothers, and I have never gotten a blood rune. Then I started to kill a few blood worms, and I started to get blood runes.

[tewas]

for the people who thinks that your loot is random i would say that nothing is random. computer itself don't have random movement of bytes therefore everything has some pattern. the more u dig the ebtter pattern u find.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

every single open chest/droped rare item has to deal something with previuos your action, or another players actions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and for those who thinks that keyword random () in java makes random number, they need to rethink most of their beleives

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and leester is on something, just he needs to do more runs with more accurate KC, liek 21KC, 21KC and so on, 500-1000 runs with each setting. takes lot of time but then u have smaller error :)