Returning to EoC...from OldScape

[constrictor]

Hello!

 

So, before getting into my questions, I just want to say I am currently still playing RS, but I have not trained combat since long before EoC was released. The Point of this thread is essentially so I can learn how best to do combat and maximize my time spent training.

 

Ok, so to start, here are my stats:

 

 

I am 164 Combat and have probably a total worth of ~20-25m.

 

Now, I plan on buying P2P this Friday, but until then I want to get your guys' suggestions on what armor/training methods I should purchase once I actually get members. As you can see from the stats, I was once a member, and I have quite a few of the "higher" (this was awhile ago, so they're not that impressive) quests done, like Legends, etc.

 

Questions:

I have 93 Fletching. Should I immediately start doing POP once I get P2P?

If so, what is the prime setup, etc. for that and what should I buy first and so on (I did POP before, but very unsuccessfully so I know how it works for the most part, I just don't know how to plan it all out, etc.).

 

What armor/weapons should I buy/get immediately?

Assume, I don't have anything already from quests (I have very few P2P items left from my last active time).

 

Should I get 80 Dungeoneering+ for Chaotics? If, so what is the most efficient/fastest way to train Dungeoneering, now a days?

 

How should I build my ability bar?

 

Are there any skills I should focus on before diving into combat, if so can I train them on the side?

 

If I don't have enough money for certain items that would be greatly beneficial, what methods would you suggest for gaining more cash in order to purchase those items?

 

Should I train slayer to train combat skills or do specific "grinding" per se?

 

 

 

I will add/ask more questions as I come up with them. Thanks, ahead of time, for any help you all can give!

[Ambler]

Focus on getting soul split/95 prayer ASAP, as well as some 90 skills for Player Owned Ports (Theif's a nice fast one, and gives Plate, needed for Tetsu armour)

For training, you can use a godsword/sarasword/zamorak spear as a good 2h weapon, this should allow for some easy training for slayer etc

[PolarBearBlue]

1) While fletching is a PoP related skill, it does not get you into PoP. You need a 90 in fishing, herblore, prayer, slayer, thieving, or runecrafting. If you want to get to PoP quickly, get to 90 fishing. Otherwise it benefits you to get 90 herblore or prayer to do special missions that would put you 93 fletching to use.

 

2) Barrows is good armor to own for training and boss hunting. Using the best training spots, with the best exp rates and being all, in total the repair cost would still be less than buying bandos. This is speaking just for training to 99 in str. A godsword is also a good weapon for melee. For magic, invest in a staff of light or better. If you somehow make more money, get at least an Ahrims wand. Dual wield has also improved so you could look into that. To train your combat stats, do it through slayer since you'll be looking to level that anyway if wanting to get a lot out of PoP or 99. Also, do more quest. For example the crystal bow is a good range weapon making it a great quest reward.

 

3) Yes you should get Chaotics. Best way to dung is still in large dungs with 4 other people. Also do sinkholes.

 

4) Test abilities on lower lvl monster and see what you like. All the abilities, including defense. Then build your bar accordingly. More than likely, depending on what you are doing, your bar will still change, so don't build a basic bar thinking it works for GWD and slayer. I suggest each combat style bar should have one stun.

 

5) You can skill whenever, just know you won't be able to do certain things until a certain level. For example, unless you have super antifires, it's better to block dragon task. Also, solo GWD is hard without 92 prayer.

 

6) Bossing is still a goodway to make money. Barrows is still decent for cash, thou not for runes. One can also farm herbs and do mtk. Fletching is still profitable if making unstrung bows. Merchanting, however; is the best way to make money.

[constrictor]

Focus on getting soul split/95 prayer ASAP, as well as some 90 skills for Player Owned Ports (Theif's a nice fast one, and gives Plate, needed for Tetsu armour)

For training, you can use a godsword/sarasword/zamorak spear as a good 2h weapon, this should allow for some easy training for slayer etc

 

Which Godsword, besides Saradomin (due to its expense) would you suggest, until I get Chaotics, that is.

 

Also, which Chaotic would be wisest to purchase first?

 

 

Does anyone know of a good link to a Barrows guide? I think I will try doing that for abit to gain some cash towards 92/95 Prayer.

 

Once I get the prayer levels, I will aim to get 90 Herblore and on the side I will do fishing for 90 as well.

I might try for 90 Thieving, but the other one's are my current priorities, I guess.

 

 

I heard/have read a few things saying that helms/boots/etc. don't matter for what you're fighting or something (I not entirely get what armors are best for what monsters, etc. yet). I believe I finished purchasing the ability to make the Slayer Helm just before I quit on this account years ago, is the Slayer Helm still worth getting for Slayer or is it worthless now?

What gloves/boots are the best (preferably ones I don't have to continue changing depending on what combat style I am focusing on)?

 

EDIT:

 

2) Barrows is good armor to own for training and boss hunting. Using the best training spots, with the best exp rates and being all, in total the repair cost would still be less than buying bandos. This is speaking just for training to 99 in str. A godsword is also a good weapon for melee. For magic, invest in a staff of light or better. If you somehow make more money, get at least an Ahrims wand. Dual wield has also improved so you could look into that. To train your combat stats, do it through slayer since you'll be looking to level that anyway if wanting to get a lot out of PoP or 99. Also, do more quest. For example the crystal bow is a good range weapon making it a great quest reward.

 

What quests do you suggest?

Just list all the one's you can think of and if I've done them I'll ignore your suggestion and anyone's I haven't done I will get a work on/get the levels for.

[Th e Doctor]

Get a maul first, then staff, for range I believe a royal crossbow is a better option for ~2 mil.

 

You need to get 80 attack and and range, use a godsword and a crystal bow for training those. I recommend waterfiends in the chaos tunnels with a crystal bow for range plus charms until 80. Not sure about for melee.

 

For godswords just pick the cheapest one. The special effects only affect auto attacks.

 

Barrows guide : http://forum.tip.it/topic/316011-barrows-eoc/#entry5377244

 

For gloves get barrows gloves for now.

 

Slayer helm is still worth getting.

 

Void is the best for all three styles now for training. Use that where possible.

 

Do all of the quests. Literally all of the ones that you can. They're all worth it / will have sequels that will be worth it eventually.

[chenw]

I agree with most of that, with the exception of the staff. I'd use SoL over Chaotic staff any day, and certainly for training.

[constrictor]

Get a maul first, then staff, for range I believe a royal crossbow is a better option for ~2 mil.

 

You need to get 80 attack and and range, use a godsword and a crystal bow for training those. I recommend waterfiends in the chaos tunnels with a crystal bow for range plus charms until 80. Not sure about for melee.

 

For godswords just pick the cheapest one. The special effects only affect auto attacks.

 

Barrows guide : http://forum.tip.it/...c/#entry5377244

 

For gloves get barrows gloves for now.

 

Slayer helm is still worth getting.

 

Void is the best for all three styles now for training. Use that where possible.

 

Do all of the quests. Literally all of the ones that you can. They're all worth it / will have sequels that will be worth it eventually.

 

Ok, I will try to do those first then. I can't finish all of RFD yet, so barrows gloves aren't an option.

 

What is the best allaround amulet? Fury?

 

Boots should just be Bandos I would guess?

 

I agree with most of that, with the exception of the staff. I'd use SoL over Chaotic staff any day, and certainly for training.

 

I have heard that SoL is less accurate than, Chaotic, but I will certainly use SoL until I have the level/tokens for Staff.

[chenw]

More accurate yes, but that generally only matters at end content (like Glacors, QBD, GWD etc), so unless you are going to be doing a lot of those, the extra accuracy won't be beneficial to you, and thus using the staff is only increasing your maintainence cost.

 

If you have plans to boss, then by all means get one, but I wouldn't use it until I get to that point, because there isn't anything (at least not the ones I am aware off) that requires or warrants the use of Chaotic staff.

[constrictor]

More accurate yes, but that generally only matters at end content (like Glacors, QBD, GWD etc), so unless you are going to be doing a lot of those, the extra accuracy won't be beneficial to you, and thus using the staff is only increasing your maintainence cost.

 

If you have plans to boss, then by all means get one, but I wouldn't use it until I get to that point, because there isn't anything (at least not the ones I am aware off) that requires or warrants the use of Chaotic staff.

 

Alright, I see. Well as I said, I do not forsee myself getting the level/tokens needed for both CR and CS for a few weeks/a month, so I don't necessarily need to make this choice right now.

 

On the note of Chaotics, I should get BOTH Rapier offhand/regular before getting any other ones, correct?

 

 

 

Still trying to figure out what the best amulet/boots are if anyone would like to inform me. :P

 

Also, I have decided that for the first weekend atleast, I am going to quest (finishing off all those new, weird F2P quests, right now) and maybe even do some more coming into next week.

I currently have 183 QP and want to probably get that up to ~230/250 depending on what I can do levels-wise in the next few weeks.

 

Priority-wise, which quests should be MUST? Temple of Sennisten, I have on my list, as well as the World Wakes, what other quests/quest lines are extremely beneficial that I should do ASAP?

 

I also will be buying 70 Prayer this weekend and hopefully getting it even before questing (this will depend, I guess).

Questions in bold for TL; DR.

[chenw]

No, if you are dual wielding, I suggest going for Main hand Chaotic Claw and EE. Main Hand claw because when you make the claw, you have it 100% durability rather than 20% of every other weapon, so it already pretty much pays for itself. Mainhand claw also have Crit that makes it better than CR. Even better, claw has fastest attack speed (CR has fast) so it's again better to use with momentum.

 

EE is the second best off hand melee weapon in the game right now, and it doesn't take much to get it (it only requires Hard seer's task).

[PolarBearBlue]

More accurate yes, but that generally only matters at end content (like Glacors, QBD, GWD etc), so unless you are going to be doing a lot of those, the extra accuracy won't be beneficial to you, and thus using the staff is only increasing your maintainence cost.

 

If you have plans to boss, then by all means get one, but I wouldn't use it until I get to that point, because there isn't anything (at least not the ones I am aware off) that requires or warrants the use of Chaotic staff.

 

Alright, I see. Well as I said, I do not forsee myself getting the level/tokens needed for both CR and CS for a few weeks/a month, so I don't necessarily need to make this choice right now.

 

On the note of Chaotics, I should get BOTH Rapier offhand/regular before getting any other ones, correct?

 

 

 

Still trying to figure out what the best amulet/boots are if anyone would like to inform me. :P

 

Also, I have decided that for the first weekend atleast, I am going to quest (finishing off all those new, weird F2P quests, right now) and maybe even do some more coming into next week.

I currently have 183 QP and want to probably get that up to ~230/250 depending on what I can do levels-wise in the next few weeks.

 

Priority-wise, which quests should be MUST? Temple of Sennisten, I have on my list, as well as the World Wakes, what other quests/quest lines are extremely beneficial that I should do ASAP?

 

I also will be buying 70 Prayer this weekend and hopefully getting it even before questing (this will depend, I guess).

Questions in bold for TL; DR.

 

As mentioned before, do all the quest you can. The ones that benefit you the most are quest that give out free exp to use on any skill and quest with weapon items. Because of the added benefits after TWW you should do the goblin series. You won't be able to do RotM but I suggest working to get there then doing it. I don't know what quest you've done but you should go for every quest related to TWW. That is The Chosen Commander, RotM, The Void Stares Back, BoD, and Firemakers Curse. Ideally a quest cape is what you'd want since many of the good rewards come from the end or near end of quest lines. Priority priority wise, do Roving Elves for the Crystal Bow and TWW for the free combat exp.

 

For boots and amulets considering on a budget.

Melee: Dragon boots and Glory. If you happen to own Bandos boots before EoC then keep them. Best: Steadfast and Saradomin's whisper

Magic: Ganodermic boots and Arcane Stream. Best: Ragefire and Arcane Stream

Range: Spined unless you can afford Arma and amulet of ranging. Best: Glaiven and Saradomin's murmur.

 

Ring wise you'd want to do all the quest for the 6th age circuit which is the best ring in game and hybrid. Otherwise you can buy a Berserker ring to save money.

 

Note: Waterfiends are hard to kill with a crystal bow, so you'd do better to buy a black salamander and kill Black demons.

[constrictor]

No, if you are dual wielding, I suggest going for Main hand Chaotic Claw and EE. Main Hand claw because when you make the claw, you have it 100% durability rather than 20% of every other weapon, so it already pretty much pays for itself. Mainhand claw also have Crit that makes it better than CR. Even better, claw has fastest attack speed (CR has fast) so it's again better to use with momentum.

 

EE is the second best off hand melee weapon in the game right now, and it doesn't take much to get it (it only requires Hard seer's task).

 

Ok, so CClaw first, EE ASAP as well as 92 Prayer/Herb (eventually).

I have quite a few Herblore Levels needed before I can complete the Elite tasks (I should be able to do everything else with ease, thankfully).

 

More accurate yes, but that generally only matters at end content (like Glacors, QBD, GWD etc), so unless you are going to be doing a lot of those, the extra accuracy won't be beneficial to you, and thus using the staff is only increasing your maintainence cost.

 

If you have plans to boss, then by all means get one, but I wouldn't use it until I get to that point, because there isn't anything (at least not the ones I am aware off) that requires or warrants the use of Chaotic staff.

 

Alright, I see. Well as I said, I do not forsee myself getting the level/tokens needed for both CR and CS for a few weeks/a month, so I don't necessarily need to make this choice right now.

 

On the note of Chaotics, I should get BOTH Rapier offhand/regular before getting any other ones, correct?

 

 

 

Still trying to figure out what the best amulet/boots are if anyone would like to inform me. :P

 

Also, I have decided that for the first weekend atleast, I am going to quest (finishing off all those new, weird F2P quests, right now) and maybe even do some more coming into next week.

I currently have 183 QP and want to probably get that up to ~230/250 depending on what I can do levels-wise in the next few weeks.

 

Priority-wise, which quests should be MUST? Temple of Sennisten, I have on my list, as well as the World Wakes, what other quests/quest lines are extremely beneficial that I should do ASAP?

 

I also will be buying 70 Prayer this weekend and hopefully getting it even before questing (this will depend, I guess).

Questions in bold for TL; DR.

 

As mentioned before, do all the quest you can. The ones that benefit you the most are quest that give out free exp to use on any skill and quest with weapon items. Because of the added benefits after TWW you should do the goblin series. You won't be able to do RotM but I suggest working to get there then doing it. I don't know what quest you've done but you should go for every quest related to TWW. That is The Chosen Commander, RotM, The Void Stares Back, BoD, and Firemakers Curse. Ideally a quest cape is what you'd want since many of the good rewards come from the end or near end of quest lines. Priority priority wise, do Roving Elves for the Crystal Bow and TWW for the free combat exp.

 

For boots and amulets considering on a budget.

Melee: Dragon boots and Glory. If you happen to own Bandos boots before EoC then keep them. Best: Steadfast and Saradomin's whisper

Magic: Ganodermic boots and Arcane Stream. Best: Ragefire and Arcane Stream

Range: Spined unless you can afford Arma and amulet of ranging. Best: Glaiven and Saradomin's murmur.

 

Ring wise you'd want to do all the quest for the 6th age circuit which is the best ring in game and hybrid. Otherwise you can buy a Berserker ring to save money.

 

Note: Waterfiends are hard to kill with a crystal bow, so you'd do better to buy a black salamander and kill Black demons.

 

I will have BB available once I get P2P so I think I will just use those. I will also buy Whipser and Murmur and then save up for Steads/Ragefire/Glaviens, eventually.

 

On the quest-side of things, I think I have all of the Goblin Series done with the exception of The Chosen Commander, so I will hopefully finish that series this weekend. I had just started Regicide when I quit on this account, so I hopefully do that/Roving Elves and TWW this weekend.

 

I heard the TWW gives like 900k EXP or something as a reward?

What would be the suggested skills to use that on?

[chenw]

You do not need the elite diary completed to get the EE, only completing Hard diary is required. Elite diary only boosts its healing.

[constrictor]

You do not need the elite diary completed to get the EE, only completing Hard diary is required. Elite diary only boosts its healing.

 

Without the Elite is it still the best weapon for offhand?

[chenw]

Yes, eliting it only gives a better healing, the stats remain the same, and with Abilities, while off hand damage is taken into account, the off hand never hits, making its healing effect largely redundant.

[PolarBearBlue]

I will have BB available once I get P2P so I think I will just use those. I will also buy Whipser and Murmur and then save up for Steads/Ragefire/Glaviens, eventually.

 

On the quest-side of things, I think I have all of the Goblin Series done with the exception of The Chosen Commander, so I will hopefully finish that series this weekend. I had just started Regicide when I quit on this account, so I hopefully do that/Roving Elves and TWW this weekend.

 

I heard the TWW gives like 900k EXP or something as a reward?

What would be the suggested skills to use that on?

 

I forgot to mention murmur is only marginally better at .1% but nearly 8x the cot as a ranging amulet.

 

Exp quest rewards for TWW:

• Pale lamp granting 250,000 Prayer experience (requires at least 80 Prayer)
  
• Glossy lamp granting 110,000 Slayer experience (requires at least level 70 Slayer)
  
• 3 Ancient lamps granting 100,000 experience in three different skills above level 75.
  
• 3 Static lamps granting 50,000 experience each in any combat skill above level 65
  
• You can prayer at Guthix's alter 1 time for 100k prayer exp (requires 90 prayer)
  

I hear if you don't have the lvls for some, just destory them and reclaim them later.

[constrictor]

Yes, eliting it only gives a better healing, the stats remain the same, and with Abilities, while off hand damage is taken into account, the off hand never hits, making its healing effect largely redundant.

 

Ahh, I see. And if I remember correctly you recieve Excalibur from the Holy Grail quest? I do not remember which one exactly, I just remember getting it from a quest once upon a time.

 

I will have BB available once I get P2P so I think I will just use those. I will also buy Whipser and Murmur and then save up for Steads/Ragefire/Glaviens, eventually.

 

On the quest-side of things, I think I have all of the Goblin Series done with the exception of The Chosen Commander, so I will hopefully finish that series this weekend. I had just started Regicide when I quit on this account, so I hopefully do that/Roving Elves and TWW this weekend.

 

I heard the TWW gives like 900k EXP or something as a reward?

What would be the suggested skills to use that on?

 

I forgot to mention murmur is only marginally better at .1% but nearly 8x the cot as a ranging amulet.

 

Exp quest rewards for TWW:

• Pale lamp granting 250,000 Prayer experience (requires at least 80 Prayer)
  
• Glossy lamp granting 110,000 Slayer experience (requires at least level 70 Slayer)
  
• 3 Ancient lamps granting 100,000 experience in three different skills above level 75.
  
• 3 Static lamps granting 50,000 experience each in any combat skill above level 65
  
• You can prayer at Guthix's alter 1 time for 100k prayer exp (requires 90 prayer)
  

I hear if you don't have the lvls for some, just destory them and reclaim them later.

 

Hmmm.. I can only get about 1/2 of those, right now.

Is that including the extras from the quest required parts (the extra ones) as well or no?

 

 

 

 

 

On a different note, how do the armors work?

 

Let's say I am using melee:

If the monsters are magic based should I try to wear magic-absorbing (mage robes/dhide) or should I try to wear barrows/melee armor in order to increase my melee damage or whatever?

[Quyneax]

You should use either melee or hybrid top, legs and shield (if applicable) and ranged boots, gloves and helmet. Jewellery boosts crit, so damage, so you probably shouldn't switch to ranged rings or anything, but all-class rings work (onyx) and the same for amulets (fury) and capes (skillcape, ardougne cloak 4, spirit cape etc.).

 

Most of the time, meleeing a magic user is a really bad idea. The only exception is when you have a much higher tier melee than ranged weapon (ex. drygore vs. zaryte, chaotic melee weapons vs. crystal bow).

[constrictor]

You should use either melee or hybrid top, legs and shield (if applicable) and ranged boots, gloves and helmet. Jewellery boosts crit, so damage, so you probably shouldn't switch to ranged rings or anything, but all-class rings work (onyx) and the same for amulets (fury) and capes (skillcape, ardougne cloak 4, spirit cape etc.).

 

Most of the time, meleeing a magic user is a really bad idea. The only exception is when you have a much higher tier melee than ranged weapon (ex. drygore vs. zaryte, chaotic melee weapons vs. crystal bow).

 

Ok, that makes sense.

 

 

I am getting P2P tomorrow, so I am going to buy the armors tonight.

 

You guys had said I should get barrows, which pieces/sets should I buy?

[chenw]

Verac for melee, Ahrim or Ganodermic for magic, Royal D'hide or Karil for ranged. You can use GWD armor sets instead if you have the cash (only the chest pieces comes with bonus damage, the other parts are just undegradeable equivalents to barrows).

[constrictor]

Verac for melee, Ahrim or Ganodermic for magic, Royal D'hide or Karil for ranged. You can use GWD armor sets instead if you have the cash (only the chest pieces comes with bonus damage, the other parts are just undegradeable equivalents to barrows).

 

I was trying to figure out how Royal Cbow works/how to get one. Do I have to fight QBD to get it functional?

[Sylpheed]

Once you have the 4 parts and the coral crossbow assembled by Thurgo, the Xbow has to be 'brandished' in front of the QBD to forge it into the Royal Xbow.

 

Only doing this when she does her super breath attack will forge it though.

 

However, the QBD doesn't have to be defeated to do this and once it is done the first time it can be recharged at a cost by Thurgo.

[constrictor]

Once you have the 4 parts and the coral crossbow assembled by Thurgo, the Xbow has to be 'brandished' in front of the QBD to forge it into the Royal Xbow.

 

Only doing this when she does her super breath attack will forge it though.

 

However, the QBD doesn't have to be defeated to do this and once it is done the first time it can be recharged at a cost by Thurgo.

 

This may be stupid to ask, but can you duo/team against the QBD (I literally have read nothing on her/how to kill her)?

[Corbulo]

No She's a solo only boss I'm afraid.

[constrictor]

No She's a solo only boss I'm afraid.

 

Damn. I guess I'll have to work up to gettig that then.

 

On the same note, what would be a near equal/equal range weapon to use?

I have heard that Armadyl Cbow isn't bad as well as Karil's.

Which would you all suggest? And I'm curious as to why (if you wish to explain).