Well, I would like to say thank you after I read the article and the posts after it. Before I read this article, I was always like some of the examples you guys and gals were giving. But I find that actually going by the correct punctuation is somewhat more calm and relaxing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Stricken wrote:

 

 

 

A few nights ago, I was watching the news. A weird report came on saying that using typing shortcuts could damage your speach and writing abilities.

 

 

 

When I was typing bad, my English grade started to go down and I was typing words in reports wrongly relying on Microsoft Word. So I guess you can put me in that category.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jaklumen wrote:

 

 

 

Indeed. Lack of punctuation in various Internet chats drives me nuts sometimes, especially when it results in run-on sentences and the like. Sometimes I think teaching diction in the schools wouldn't be a bad idea, because then people might understand that pauses of varying lengths dictate the punctuation. When someone rationalizes that they ramble when they speak, I think, "Do you really speak without taking a breath at certain points?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I know some people that are 14 and don't know what a run-on sentence is. You may ask, "How is that possible?" Well, where I live they have lots of poor schools. I visit Africa every other year, and it really is depressing to see how they do in school. It may be because of lack of education, they dont have the right resources or what.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That was a really nice article Zonorhc, and really brought a lot of thought to me, and in my case, even changed the way I type.

That was a really nice article Zonorhc, and really brought a lot of thought to me, and in my case, even changed the way I type.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shadowman, I am impressed with you. It takes a strong person to read something, look within themselves and see something that needs to be changed, and then do it. Most people would not admit they are wrong in any way and could stand a bit of change. They would (and have, on this forum), post excuses as to the contrary of writing intelligently and correctly and go about their normal lives without using what they've read as learning material. You have impressed me by admitting you have changed your writing style solely because you saw yourself reflected in the words of the article. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Naara

This is my first post so I'll keep it short.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Very well said, there are far too many people online that do not know how to type or spell, and for young people on the whole, it's an awful habit. There are of course exceptions, such as "lol" although it is an abbreviation, you would look like a total goon saying "Lot's of laughs" all the time. But on the whole, entirely correct, at last I find some literate people on Runescape. :D

i totally agree that to many people don't talk on rs like it should they should make complete sentences instead of like saying peps instead of people

This is...the single greatest thing I've ever read on these forums.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This has always been a pet peeve of mine and...unsurprisingly, I always receive the same responses you mentioned. The fact that I end my sentences with actual punctuation and spell out my worlds fully almost seems cause for offense to some people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't say that I've ever had any inclination whatsoever to be involved on the tip.it team...but this article is almost enough to make me want to do just that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kudos to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey, you probably only save a fraction of a second for every twenty points you deduct from your perceived IQ.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol...

Glad to see I'm not the only person who appreciates words being spelt correctly. Unfortunately those who masacre the English language won't be reading these forums.

Forgive my late comments on this subject, but I shall comment anyway. I can only be thankful to have found that there are, in fact, people in this world who do believe that the English language, or any others for that fact, are not to be battered for absolutely no rational reason what so ever.

 

 

 

However, naturally, there is heavy irony with the situation. For, those people who actually take the time to read such an article are the ones who don't need telling. On the other end of the spectrum, those who do need telling either don't (/can't) read it or they do read it and lack the intelligence to take the criticism in a good fashion and instead mutter ludicrous profanities under their breath with the wit that their neanderthal ancestors possessed.

If you think the internet typing of these folks is bad, you should see their handwriting/spelling/punctuation on job applications. Absolutely horrific. I would have been caned by any significant adult in my life if I had dared to show someone else paperwork completed as poorly as the average job application I see. Illegibility seems to be the rule nowadays rather than the exception. (And yes, I did walk to school in the snow, uphill both ways, etc., etc., back in my day.) :P

 

 

 

Great article. I'm very glad to see someone has made an effort to address the subject. However, I fear that only the choir is going to get the message, and they are the least in need of hearing it.

how can anyone over the age of 9 not know that a lot is 2 words? have our school systems really failed this bad?

Ah very good written page. I like the points and aspects in this. This page is a ten out of ten.

i think people should be able to type however they want and if ur iq is so high then u should be able to read it very easy and time is money. and whats all the fustration about if you dont like it dont read it.

 

 

 

freedom of speach!!

Hit the nail right on the head.

i think people should be able to type however they want and if ur iq is so high then u should be able to read it very easy and time is money. and whats all the fustration about if you dont like it dont read it.

 

 

 

freedom of speach!!

 

 

 

Oh, yes. Freedom of speech suddenly gives you the right to force people to translate nigh every word from Moron to English or whatever language might be in the process of communication at the present time.

 

 

 

The frustration comes from the fact that people seem to be unable to grasp the notion that for others to take what they say seriously instead of dismissing them as blithering idiots, all they have to do is hit a few extra keys. No, you can't just ignore what everyone is saying. I read to find out people's opinions on things. I read to communicate. That means I have to sift through verbal excrement just to get the gist of whatever people are saying.

 

 

 

Quoting freedom of speech the way you did is much the same as the child asserting his right to free speech when he's put on detention for cussing at a teacher.

 

 

 

Frankly, I'm amazed that this thing has fueled discussion almost four months after it was published.

Most of the times, I find it irritating, but sometimes it's quite amusing to watch those people. I myself use Leetspeak at Clan events. :P

i think people should be able to type however they want and if ur iq is so high then u should be able to read it very easy and time is money. and whats all the fustration about if you dont like it dont read it.

 

 

 

freedom of speach!!

 

 

 

And you're a blathering moron!

 

 

 

Freedom of Speech!!

i think people should be able to type however they want and if ur iq is so high then u should be able to read it very easy and time is money. and whats all the fustration about if you dont like it dont read it.

 

 

 

freedom of speach!!

 

 

 

And you're a blathering moron!

 

 

 

Freedom of Speech!!

 

 

 

+1

I think we have stumbled onto something much more vast and important than Runescape. ("FOUL! There's no such thing!") Shut up! When someone appreciates their rights only so that they may abuse them, it kills that much more of America. Or wherever the **** you're from. But that's an argument for a later date.

 

 

 

As an articulate, verbiose, opinionated and outspoken person I really must say that anyone that purposely butchers a language so grand as to have seen such great works as Shakespeare's plays, Byron's poetry, the oration of Lincoln, the Magna Charta, and our beloved and vaunted Constitution (as well as perhaps Benjamin Franklin's clever justification of his love for prostitutes) written in her sparkling form should be beaten with long metal rods and be forced to listen to a constant barrage of earsplitting J-pop slowed down to 12 beats per minute, just to see what the agony of hearing them speak is like.

 

 

 

If you purposely and repeatedly abuse your right to Free Speech so graciously granted to you (It's really less of a right and more of a privilege), you devalue the virtue it stands for and only end up harming yourself because you destroy the likelihood that anything you say will actually be listened to or mean anything, thus obliterating any reason you might have had to require the right in the first place.

 

 

 

Then again, I always like to present both sides just for the sake of argument. In response to reading an official document in which sentences were ended with prepositions and dangling participles, Winston Churchill wrote in the margin, "This is the sort of pedantry up with which I will not put." This, most ironically, is the sort of clever and deep wordplay which the English language is meant to produce.

Yeah, I never really understood that kind of speech, it just makes the user sound stupid :o

Hi I'm red new to these forums and recently read this article, and there are a few things I would like to say.

 

 

 

 

 

English: Its Proper Form

 

Zonorhc

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åomg liek i dont nede 2 typ proprly cus dis is da internet !!!! go away nerd looser !!!ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

runescape = rotting brain

 

n3t 5p34k = c0nfu5!0n !n th3 br4!n c4u5!ng !t t0 w0rk 0v3r t!m3 t0 und3r5t4nd 50m3thing 533m!ngly 5!mpl3 th3r3f0r3 r3v3r5!ng th3 br4!n r0t d!53453.

 

that's why n3t 5p34k was invented i believe

*applaudes*

 

 

 

 

 

Now, if we could only force feed this down the throats of every pre-adolescent in the game, we might get somewhere.

'Net speak' (or 'leet') was invented so that a small group of people could communicate using the ASCII characters, but not the letters. This was done to present a completely superficial sense of esoteric superiority. However, since it is merely a corruption of the characters and is visually very similar to the original, rather than bing an actual cryptogram (I have seen people communicate in enigma code, that's incredible), the smug, self-righteouss founders of the pseudolanguage saw that the plan had backfired quickly as it was easily figured out by anybody with half a brain and began to propagate using the Internet. the original leet used absolutely no actual Roman letters (A, B, C...) but instead replicated every character with other ASCII character. Since the founders considered themselves the intellectual elite, the language was quickly called 'elite,' rendered '3|_173' in the language itself. however, after the mass propagation, the language became a bit looer, using a mixture of letters and non-letter characters. 'Elite' became, phonetically bastardized, '1337,' or 'l33t,' or another variation. The original elite language is very cumbersome, and is quite confusing since writings with lots of syntax and punctuatiuon are often misconstrued, with the message's recipient often mistaking punctuation for an incomplete letter or vice-versa. Thus, the novelty of any form of elite (modernly called 'super leet') or leet has since passed and both forms have been relegated to in-jokes, mockery, and small usage by those who still think it shows off in some way.

 

 

 

That's where 'net speak' came from. Period. And if you ever so boldly state that it is beneficial, superior, or useful in any way, or that its origin arose out of any good intention or as anything at all besides a small-minded and, frankly, unoriginal method of mocking anyone not in a specific clique, I will come to your house, tear your chest cavity open, and feast on your innards as you watch this awful scene unfold imminently before you die and rot in hell for your completely injustifiable crimes against all writers, speakers, actors, or decent human beings.

 

 

 

On a different note, have you noticed that many of those who say they support a move towards a more perfect usage of the English language have themselves voiced their support using very poor grammar? I can't help but think if they misunderstood.

:thumbsup: Kudos for having addressed a rather prevelant problem! It irks me to no end when functionaly illiterate people refuse to clean up their typing, and they don't realise that one day their applications for jobs and such will be turned down because of horrible typos. :wall:

 

 

 

~Morgan~

me fail english? thats unpossible

i think that misusing english or whatever native language you use is a insult i mean espically to the ones who come from say Germany and then come to the USA and learn English.

 

 

 

i think though making errors every now and then is okay like saying omg is'nt all the bad but when people talk like this H4X 4rE F0R N00berz or 7EET

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the true words of a 13 year old.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry for brining this post back up but i just had to speak my mind!