hey guyz i totaly agree on wat u r sayin lol... i dnt like ppl hu abreviate bt sm peeps jst cnt hlp it... i stll say dat wen writtin down essayz dey shood nt abriviate.. that is jst goin 2 far... i hv a frend hu sayz 'lol' instead of actualy laffing.

You tell 'em Zonorhc! this atricle is a bit extreme but if even a few people listen its necessary.

Couldn't of said it better myself. I cannot stand to listen to all that garbage when I'm playing RuneScape. Why can't people just talk in complete sentences? It makes things soooo much easier to understand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's been times where I'm in game and have had to read a sentence (If you could even call it that) 2-4 times just to understand it. Grammar and correct spelling are big issues with me. It just makes things easier.

iz abwt tym sum1 came out n sed it!!11

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But seriously though, I've been saying it for years but now it will be seen by many people, hopefully. One problem though, is that the majority of Tip.it users seem to type with grammatical precision anyway. It's the clueless Runescapers that don't. That's just ONE of the reasons I quit RuneScape - it's full to the brim with complete idiots. :P

Let me start out by saying what i agree with. I think proper English is important in certain situations. I also agree that using short-hand too often can lead to bad habits. However that is where our similarities end. I think it is imperative that we separate two very different kinds of internet typing. #1 would be what you posted as an example, internet vomit. The other would be proper short-hand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1) Lolzorzz leik gimme teh rune zxe noob!!#2

 

 

 

- Obviously this is crap and shouldn't be used, there are many reasons for that. "Lolzorzz" abrasive use of the letter z along with extending lol which was created as a short-hand completely negating the purpose. It has misspellings in the simplest words. 'teh' is a common misspelling done on purpose, there is no need to do that at any point in time. Of course the person is begging whilst calling the other speaker a noob. Noob is not meant to be used as an all purpose insult, this is dispicable and reflects upon the Southpark popularized use of 'jew'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2) hey i love u but i g2g, ttul

 

 

 

- Amazing how no capitals or periods were used, two short-hands were and the sentence is perfectly legitimate. This is proper short-hand, it drops all of the unnecessary words and punctuation. This keeps the sentences short making them easier and faster to write.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone against #2 (proper short-hand) should ask themselves why this might be. There are two possibilities, firstly you could have unfortunately mixed the two styles of internet writing together an all too common mistake to people new to the internet. Secondly you may be as others have suggested, stuck up. The writer of this article mentions that s/he does not speak English as a first language. I commend you on mastering such a difficult language. However you must realize that a language is much like a living thing, because of the way it came to be it has many inherent flaws. Over time it will change, some people say that the old way is the best (Conservatives) others will say change is good (Liberals). Inevitably the language will change for the best much like politics. On that point i would like say that only literary conservatives such as yourself would view us as slavering apes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Though your essay (3 main points, outlined in a header, reviewed in a conclusion) which amazingly had more than 5 paragraphs was well laid out it failed to impress me. Those with a closed mind in love with Shakespeare because their teacher told them it was literature have no free will of their own. Clinging hopelessly to the past like the man refusing to buy a TV while he has a perfectly good radio.

Nice article. i used to type like that ALL the time. and have recently started to try and spell\type correctly. i know a few people that should read this... although that i still believe the "lol" and "omg" and other things of that sort are acceptable... jsut not the 1/\/\ 1337 junk

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

as i already said tho, nice atricle.

why do you care how pepale talk to each other

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for some of us who are dyslexic (5 min to spell) or have other learning differns it makes our life better not haveing to re tipe the same word over and over tring to spell it right (do you know how long this is takeing me to tipe) haveing to change the way you tipe a sentines because you can spell a word is not fun and it is horrble inbarsing you dont know how much easier this internet talk makes my live on forms.

Here, here!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is the one thing that I am the most frustrated with while playing the game (even more than the map refusing to load!) I hate trying to converse with people who act and talk like sub-morons! I have stived for years to teach myself proper English and grammer because I care how other people perceive me through my writing, and it is very disturbing to see this blatent illiteracy that young people are so proud of. I even noticed some it in the posative replys to this article!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unbelievable!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope that this article, and now forum, will start even a couple of people down the proper path. Thank you and keep up the good work!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Constant Vigilance!!

Without going through all 14 pages - not sure if this point has been made..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Txt spk - started off as a way of trying to send a message with a limited amount of characters. Each text was fairly expensive so you tried to cram as much as possible into 1. These days with phones that break up long messages into multiple texts and each of them not costing so much, that is not so much of a problem - thing is once people got into the habit they stuck to it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In game, similar restrictions apply so people abbreviate in order to ensure their message can be seen easily.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, whenever possible, I try to type the full thing out. There are times I get text messages that I just have to respond back with "Eh??? Sorry I do not understand" - and the worst offender of text speak that I get texts from - my mother now in her 70s!!! :shock:

awesome, Inspiring i dont know how to do this but ill try, i just started forums... :P

This was an interesting little thing to read....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess I will try to not speak as bad anymore. :oops:

That was hilarious. I couldn't agree more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While playing Runescape, I am often asked questions about the way I type.

 

 

 

"Y do u punctuat" they say. "Y do u spel rite?"

 

 

 

This concept appalls me. Why don't they punctuate or spell 'rite'?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've decided that if I cannot comprehend what a person is saying, they are not worth my time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Another point that ought to be brought up is the non-native speakers. For them, it is nigh impossible to understand chatspeak! I would know; I have issues understanding French chatspeak. It took me a long time to understand that "keske vu fet" meant "Qu'est-ce que vous faites?"-- such things are utterly foreign to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, my fellow Runescapers, for your sanity and mine, please refrain from typing like a monkey with a keyboard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, my fellow Runescapers, for your sanity and mine, please refrain from typing like a monkey with a keyboard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you! Someone has addressed a pet peeve that has been bugging me for ages!

 

 

 

Good article.. and its time this issue was addressed.

 

 

 

Scoutlion

I agree on every point of that article, for i simply cant understand things like:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG lyiek Y du U tipe lyiek dAt???????

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And why on earth do people type things like : lyiek instead of like for like is actually shorter than lyiek and stuff like:looser, I mean that's not even saving time it's just...just.....well I don't even know why people do that I guess they just either want people to not understand them or they want to humor the English language!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, my fellow Runescapers, for your sanity and mine, please refrain from " tyipin lyiek a moonkay wyit a kyiebarod"

Another point that ought to be brought up is the non-native speakers. For them, it is nigh impossible to understand chatspeak! I would know; I have issues understanding French chatspeak. It took me a long time to understand that "keske vu fet" meant "Qu'est-ce que vous faites?"-- such things are utterly foreign to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for giving an example of that in another language than english! :)

I am very relieved to live in an era where I can type my letters. I have such poor handwriting that I am afraid to write any letters by hand. My

 

 

 

grandfather was able to write using caligraphy. Back in the 1930's your

 

 

 

handwritting was the measure of a man. The last outpost of higher thinking is using correct grammar, speeling etc. It is obvious I am not that great at it. I am at least smart enough to know when someone takes the time to convey their ideas with some effort. That effort gives the ideas and communication some weight. It shows respect for one self and those who you are communicating to. Or is it whom?

I wasn't going to read the full 14 pages or something of the responses so i'll just say a few things

 

 

 

first, the qwerty keyboard was designed to slow people down in the good ol' days of the type writer so it wouldn't die

 

 

 

Secondly, how does using 1337 speed up typing, because alot of shorthanders are also *shudder* 13371575 (leetists for those who refuse to read it, me included)

 

 

 

finally why don't people teach themselves to touch type? it would certainly help them, for one thing they would be using 8 fingers at least in stead of the usual 2, do what i did and not replace your light, then use your computer later at night, forcing you to learn, or suffer.

 

 

 

In general though i agree with this article, you may notice in my typing that i miss alot of capital letters, that's because i'm a word autocorrecter and find it better to leave them out, but one thing that is really creepy for me is that i sometimes type one and sometimes type 1, look at me ramble, i do it alot.

Oddly enough I almost never use internet shorthand. I just never got into it and probably never will. My spelling is bad enough without using shorthand anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only abreviation I ever use is "lol". Which because of seeing it for a half-hour before knowing it was an acronim I always think of it as "lol" as apposed to "L.O.L." or the actual meaning "laugh out loud"

Ahhh, the form of correct writing skills. Such a thing is lacking in sufficient quantities on Runescape.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's interesting that you mentioned the way people are viewed because of their skills (or lack thereof) when they write online. I, myself, percieve people who lack consistant spelling and grammar abilities to be of a substandard species of uneducated primate hanging from a tree somewhere in a dense jungle in Africa. Aside from young kids who haven't yet gained complete knowledge of spelling and grammar I try to distance myself from the people who think it 'kool', 'hip' or otherwise acceptable to detain from spending a bit of time to apply themselves in life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also find it interesting that I have one main RS friend. The funny thing is that he and I got to know each other well and became instant friends because he, as well as I, possesses the ability to talk in coherent sentences and convey our thoughts in more than just chatspeak. That quality is what bonded us together from the first time we talked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I commend you on your well written article. It voiced my own opinions in a well displayed way and even got me to sign up for a tip.it username so I could respond to the article on the chat forums. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Naara

 

Another point that ought to be brought up is the non-native speakers. For them, it is nigh impossible to understand chatspeak! I would know; I have issues understanding French chatspeak. It took me a long time to understand that "keske vu fet" meant "Qu'est-ce que vous faites?"-- such things are utterly foreign to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for giving an example of that in another language than english! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I swear French chatspeak is worse than the English stuff, and that's really saying something. In languages with non-Roman alphabets, it's generally far better; the alphabets are more phonetic and leave less room for...variation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have yet to see chatspeak in Japanese, for example. They use more kana than is accepted in most coherent writing, but that's it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Naara, the same thing has happened with numerous of my friends; my oldest and best friend is, in fact, a coherent person. That's actually the reason we're friends; we both noticed that the other didn't speak Idiot.

im not fully against all abbreviations, for instance gtg is a very useful one unless you want to spend an extra 5 mins typing it to most of the people of your friends list. what i cant stand is the use of phonetic words(u instead of you for example) or number for letters.

If you previously read my rude comment on page 3, please go back there to read my retraction :oops:

If you previously read my rude comment on page 3, please go back there to read my retraction :oops:

 

 

 

I've started spelling things like a Brit since I've been playing Runescape, too; however, nobody really minds.

 

 

Another point that ought to be brought up is the non-native speakers. For them, it is nigh impossible to understand chatspeak! I would know; I have issues understanding French chatspeak. It took me a long time to understand that "keske vu fet" meant "Qu'est-ce que vous faites?"-- such things are utterly foreign to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for giving an example of that in another language than english! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I swear French chatspeak is worse than the English stuff, and that's really saying something. In languages with non-Roman alphabets, it's generally far better; the alphabets are more phonetic and leave less room for...variation..

I think you just mentioned the major point for us non-native english speakers. Phonetic. How it sounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Myself, I think in Swedish (my native language) no matter what language I try to type/read. This means abbreviations usually make sense, as they are based on correct spelling of a word/expression

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

gtg: Got to go

 

 

 

ty, ttyl: thankyou, talk to you later

 

 

 

mith: mithril

 

 

 

Omg, oh my god, yeah have no problems with that one

 

 

 

omfg: why do you have to swear to make a point :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The internet shorthand on the other hand usually makes no sense until I try and say it out (semi)loud

 

 

 

U. The letter u, I think the letter u as it sounds in swedish. That is in no way close to how the word you sound in english.

 

 

 

4. Four of something. Four of what??? (4 is fyra in swedish). Not in any way close to the word for in english which is what it is suppored to mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Phonetic.... Yep, that is a key word! :) Once again thank you Rilha, for making an exellent point of how a "foreigner" read internet shorthand

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you previously read my rude comment on page 3, please go back there to read my retraction :oops:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep, read it and was shocked to hear that from you, very glad to have an explanation :)

 

 

 

Another point that ought to be brought up is the non-native speakers. For them, it is nigh impossible to understand chatspeak! I would know; I have issues understanding French chatspeak. It took me a long time to understand that "keske vu fet" meant "Qu'est-ce que vous faites?"-- such things are utterly foreign to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for giving an example of that in another language than english! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I swear French chatspeak is worse than the English stuff, and that's really saying something. In languages with non-Roman alphabets, it's generally far better; the alphabets are more phonetic and leave less room for...variation..

I think you just mentioned the major point for us non-native english speakers. Phonetic. How it sounds.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Myself, I think in Swedish (my native language) no matter what language I try to type/read. This means abbreviations usually make sense, as they are based on correct spelling of a word/expression

 

 

 

For example:

 

 

 

gtg: Got to go

 

 

 

ty, ttyl: thankyou, talk to you later

 

 

 

mith: mithril

 

 

 

Omg, oh my god, yeah have no problems with that one

 

 

 

omfg: why do you have to swear to make a point :evil:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The internet shorthand on the other hand usually makes no sense until I try and say it out (semi)loud

 

 

 

U. The letter u, I think the letter u as it sounds in swedish. That is in no way close to how the word you sound in english.

 

 

 

4. Four of something. Four of what??? (4 is fyra in swedish). Not in any way close to the word for in english which is what it is suppored to mean.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Phonetic.... Yep, that is a key word! :) Once again thank you Rilha, for making an exellent point of how a "foreigner" read internet shorthand.

 

 

 

In French, instead of 'de' or 'du' ('of' or 'of the') they often use '2' (deux)

 

 

 

It threw me off for weeks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are a LOT of non-native speakers in Runescape, primarily French-Canadian and Dutch. Not speaking English coherently is doing a great disservice to them; something I prefer to avoid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On a different note, has anyone ever noticed that if a 'literate' person is speaking with someone who's using netspeak, their speech almost infallibly improves?

 

 

 

If you chat with them enough, it stays that way. :o