Do YOU believe in God?

[insane]

 

 

 

If God began the universe, then why can't he be in control of it? Him causing evolution to happen wouldn't be any different than evolution happening would it?

 

 

 

That's what I'm saying. He could be responsible for causing life and evolution, but Intelligent Design goes beyond that.

 

 

 

Excellent, for once we agree.

[trunksrs]

Sorry I havent posted here for a while. If you remember, I posted about a book with historical evidence supporting God. I didn't know the title at the time, but was recently able to get in touch with the the person in charge of the FCA about it. We think the book was called "Case for Christ", and he also recommended "Jesus Among Other Gods".

[jobenlovesadako]

azielgoh, altough ur was good(obviously ur christian), ic could have agreed with u, although ur last part was way intruiging(wrong spelling, i know). frank to say, the last u post would be one good reason why they are religion wars(obvious, im referring to moslems and christians). christianity is NOT the true religion, although i am christian and a catholic, i disagree with u totally!!!

 

i forgot who ur name is, but i agree with a guy who made the earlier post that

 

we worship only one god, though different ways for so, this goes to all religions (except probably satanist), non-christians dont want to believe the likes of us, and thus we respect their decision. for me and this means i agree to the earlier guy who made this statement, religion gives man not only purpose in life, but also gives him a reason to do good to his fellow men and women, and it doesnt matter if you are christian or moslem or shintoist or buddhist or ANYTHING, we should all respect their religion and be good to other people. for those who dont believe in ANY religion at all. fine, have it your way, but still be kind to your brother and sisters and to all people...

[HugATree]

How can there not be a God? How can we be a random thing flotting around? Kind of depressing isent it? If there is no purpos to life, then why should we life, or why are we here?

 

The same way there is no tooth fairy, kind of depressing the teeth just decay away?

 

I don't know about you but I don't float around much.

 

 

 

I don't agree with Gothka, but your point doesn't make sense at all. The tooth fairy doesn't stop tooth decay or give purpose to the teeth...

 

How do you know the teeth don't stop decaying once it goes to fairy land?

[HugATree]

 

 

 

If God began the universe, then why can't he be in control of it? Him causing evolution to happen wouldn't be any different than evolution happening would it?

 

 

 

That's what I'm saying. He could be responsible for causing life and evolution, but Intelligent Design goes beyond that.

 

ID has offered nothing testable, its just criticism of evolution.

[xffxc9835]

i don't believe in God... :(

[pianofrieak2]

azielgoh, altough ur was good(obviously ur christian), ic could have agreed with u, although ur last part was way intruiging(wrong spelling, i know). frank to say, the last u post would be one good reason why they are religion wars(obvious, im referring to moslems and christians). christianity is NOT the true religion, although i am christian and a catholic, i disagree with u totally!!!

 

i forgot who ur name is, but i agree with a guy who made the earlier post that

 

 

 

we worship only one god, though different ways for so, this goes to all religions (except probably satanist), non-christians dont want to believe the likes of us, and thus we respect their decision. for me and this means i agree to the earlier guy who made this statement, religion gives man not only purpose in life, but also gives him a reason to do good to his fellow men and women, and it doesnt matter if you are christian or moslem or shintoist or buddhist or ANYTHING, we should all respect their religion and be good to other people. for those who dont believe in ANY religion at all. fine, have it your way, but still be kind to your brother and sisters and to all people...

 

 

 

Actually, as a fellow Christian, I couldn't disagree more.

 

 

 

Christianity is completely different from all other religions. After all, they all require works to get into heaven.

 

 

 

Islam-good greater than bad=heaven

 

Hinduism-good=reincarnated until heaven

 

Buddhism-don't believe in heaven but believe in good works

 

 

 

Christianity-Works are useless...salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world.

[GordanFreeman]

azielgoh, altough ur was good(obviously ur christian), ic could have agreed with u, although ur last part was way intruiging(wrong spelling, i know). frank to say, the last u post would be one good reason why they are religion wars(obvious, im referring to moslems and christians). christianity is NOT the true religion, although i am christian and a catholic, i disagree with u totally!!!

 

i forgot who ur name is, but i agree with a guy who made the earlier post that

 

 

 

we worship only one god, though different ways for so, this goes to all religions (except probably satanist), non-christians dont want to believe the likes of us, and thus we respect their decision. for me and this means i agree to the earlier guy who made this statement, religion gives man not only purpose in life, but also gives him a reason to do good to his fellow men and women, and it doesnt matter if you are christian or moslem or shintoist or buddhist or ANYTHING, we should all respect their religion and be good to other people. for those who dont believe in ANY religion at all. fine, have it your way, but still be kind to your brother and sisters and to all people...

 

 

 

Actually, as a fellow Christian, I couldn't disagree more.

 

 

 

Christianity is completely different from all other religions. After all, they all require works to get into heaven.

 

 

 

Islam-good greater than bad=heaven

 

Hinduism-good=reincarnated until heaven

 

Buddhism-don't believe in heaven but believe in good works

 

 

 

Christianity-Works are useless...salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world.

 

 

 

I couldn't agree with you more, i mean, Hitler could've went to Heaven if he'd believed and followed in Jesus Christ...kinda scary to think about, but it's true. Oh, and a correction to your statement "salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world", belief AND following in.

[pianofrieak2]

I couldn't agree with you more, i mean, Hitler could've went to Heaven if he'd believed and followed in Jesus Christ...kinda scary to think about, but it's true. Oh, and a correction to your statement "salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world", belief AND following in.

 

 

 

That thing about Hitler sounds terrible, but when we are all compared to the perfect Christ, we're all terribly stained with our sins. Yes, even Mother Theresa. That's why His grace reaches to everyone, including those we have trouble associating it with.

 

 

 

BTW, allow me to make a correction to your statement? By saying you must follow in Jesus Christ's teachings, it seems that you're becoming closer to the works-based part. I believe that works must always accompany true belief (for Jesus said you can judge a tree by its fruit), but be careful about straying from the grace.

 

 

 

Grace is the only reason why we even have hope. Without grace, we live in a hopeless world of tolerance. Without Christ, we are all just animals with no purpose in living. This is why we must tell others about Jesus. They're dying without Him.

 

 

 

"Grace is what makes Christianity different from every other religion. They all have a list of requirements in order to be accepted. Christianity does not do this. Instead, it offers you grace, which allows you to have a relationship with God in spite of the fact that you do not deserve it."

 

 

 

ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅIn the world it is called tolerance but in hell it is called despair. The sin that believes in nothing, cares for nothing, seeks to know nothing, enjoys nothing, finds purpose in nothing, lives for nothing, but remains alive because there is nothing which it would die for.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Mercifull]

pianofrieak2: I really wish you wouldnt keep putting, what i consider to be, religious drivvel in your sig. You have been repeatedly told to remove it (ive seen admin messages in there telling you not to put them in) and yet you still carry on. Grow up.

[bearofthunder]

I couldn't agree with you more, i mean, Hitler could've went to Heaven if he'd believed and followed in Jesus Christ...kinda scary to think about, but it's true. Oh, and a correction to your statement "salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world", belief AND following in.

 

 

 

That thing about Hitler sounds terrible, but when we are all compared to the perfect Christ, we're all terribly stained with our sins. Yes, even Mother Theresa. That's why His grace reaches to everyone, including those we have trouble associating it with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you are agreeing that Hitler could have, potentially, gotten into heaven despite what he did?

[Astralinre]

I couldn't agree with you more, i mean, could've went to Heaven if he'd believed and followed in Jesus Christ...kinda scary to think about, but it's true. Oh, and a correction to your statement "salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world", belief AND following in.

 

 

 

That thing about sounds terrible, but when we are all compared to the perfect Christ, we're all terribly stained with our sins. Yes, even Mother Theresa. That's why His grace reaches to everyone, including those we have trouble associating it with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you are agreeing that could have, potentially, gotten into heaven despite what he did?

 

 

 

Exactly. The Bible teaches that Christ died for the sins of the world - he took our punishment upon himself. Therefore, even Hitler could get into heaven if he repented from his sin and accepted the grace of God.

[darkmage099]

I am Muslim so I believe in god. Christ is not my savior, but he is my prophet.

 

 

 

 

 

pianofrieak2 wrote:

 

GordanFreeman wrote:

 

I couldn't agree with you more, i mean, Hitler could've went to Heaven if he'd believed and followed in Jesus Christ...kinda scary to think about, but it's true. Oh, and a correction to your statement "salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world", belief AND following in.

 

 

 

 

 

That thing about Hitler sounds terrible, but when we are all compared to the perfect Christ, we're all terribly stained with our sins. Yes, even Mother Theresa. That's why His grace reaches to everyone, including those we have trouble associating it with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you are agreeing that Hitler could have, potentially, gotten into heaven despite what he did?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I dont think that makes sense only because that defeats the purpose of doing good to your fellow man. I could blow up thousands of places, kill millions of people, cause mass genocide. All i have to do is accept Jesus as my savior and go to heaven? I dont think so.

[fgfuyfyuiuy0]

I'm 100% athiest. There is NO proof there is a God. Nothing. Until I see some full-on proof about God then I don't believe. This means to see him in person and see his "all mighty powers". No book is going to tell me there is a god after the book was written 300 yrs. after "Jesus" came. Jesus could've been some lunatic thinking he was the guy for his 40 yrs. of fame. He really didn't prove to anyone there was a God except tell them.... Believing in God is like believing in Santa. Santa was made up to make Christmas more fun for kids and it was made up by some person. God could've been the same thing or Jesus perhaps. I'm giving my comment, so don't flame if your an "all haling Christian or something".

[MyPurpleCrayon]

I am Muslim so I believe in god. Christ is not my savior, but he is my prophet.

 

 

 

 

 

pianofrieak2 wrote:

 

GordanFreeman wrote:

 

I couldn't agree with you more, i mean, Hitler could've went to Heaven if he'd believed and followed in Jesus Christ...kinda scary to think about, but it's true. Oh, and a correction to your statement "salvation comes only through belief in Jesus Christ as the Savior of the world", belief AND following in.

 

 

 

 

 

That thing about Hitler sounds terrible, but when we are all compared to the perfect Christ, we're all terribly stained with our sins. Yes, even Mother Theresa. That's why His grace reaches to everyone, including those we have trouble associating it with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you are agreeing that Hitler could have, potentially, gotten into heaven despite what he did?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I dont think that makes sense only because that defeats the purpose of doing good to your fellow man. I could blow up thousands of places, kill millions of people, cause mass genocide. All i have to do is accept Jesus as my savior and go to heaven? I dont think so.

 

 

 

There is also the whole "Living the right life and repenting." :P

[gangster]

I'm 100% athiest. There is NO proof there is a God. Nothing. Until I see some full-on proof about God then I don't believe. This means to see him in person and see his "all mighty powers". No book is going to tell me there is a god after the book was written 300 yrs. after "Jesus" came. Jesus could've been some lunatic thinking he was the guy for his 40 yrs. of fame. He really didn't prove to anyone there was a God except tell them.... Believing in God is like believing in Santa. Santa was made up to make Christmas more fun for kids and it was made up by some person. God could've been the same thing or Jesus perhaps. I'm giving my comment, so don't flame if your an "all haling Christian or something".

 

 

 

Im sorry i will have to disagree with your statements :)

 

 

 

1. Jesus DID prove he was the son of God at the time by defeating death.

 

He was resurected 3 days after his death. He spent the three days in Hell after taking the worlds sins upon himself.

 

 

 

2. Not all of the bible was written 300 years after his death.

 

most of it was written before the birth of Christ, called the Old Testament.

 

 

 

3. After his death, he appeared to 500 on one day alone, now that was only the male count that was recorded so it would be more then 500 counting the woman and children. so on one day he appeared to 500+ poeple, now all of them couldn't be hallucinating could they? :)

 

 

 

4. Prophecies were made thousands of years before his birth, concerning his birth, death and crucifixtion. People weren't crucified THAT long ago so while the people at the time were all wondering what the heck crucifixtion was, it made perfect sense when Jesus was crucified.

 

 

 

5. Santa wasn't "made up" by somebody, it was a German custom :)

[bearofthunder]

 

 

 

Im sorry i will have to disagree with your statements :)

 

 

 

Jesus DID prove he was the son of God at the time by defeating death.

 

He was resurected 3 days after his death. He spent the three days in Hell after taking the worlds sins upon himself.

 

 

 

After his death, he appeared to 500 on one day alone, now that was only the male count that was recorded so it would be more then 500 counting the woman and children. so on one day he appeared to 500+ poeple, now all of them couldn't be hallucinating could they? :)

 

 

 

 

 

This doesn't sound like 500 people to me:

 

 

 

 

The Resurrection appearances of Jesus are reported by the Canonical Gospels to have occurred after the discovery of the empty tomb. Between the gospels there are four occasions on which Jesus appeared after the empty tomb, which, in order, are:

 

 

 

1. To Mary Magdelane - Except according to Luke. Matthew also adds the other Mary to the same incident.

 

2. To two of the other disciples - Except according to John and Matthew. Luke indicates that one of these two was Peter (Cleopas).

 

3. To the eleven - According to all four gospels. Mark states they were preparing to eat, Luke that they were gathered together, Matthew that they were on a mountain that they had been sent to, and John that they were assembled indoors due to fear of the Jews.

 

4. To Thomas Didymus - Only according to John.

 

 

 

 

The only people who claimed they couldn't find Jesus' body were Mary and the disciples, and the only people who claimed they saw Jesus after his death were Mary and the disciples. Pretty convenient for them, huh?

 

 

 

 

4. Prophecies were made thousands of years before his birth, concerning his birth, death and crucifixtion. People weren't crucified THAT long ago so while the people at the time were all wondering what the heck crucifixtion was, it made perfect sense when Jesus was crucified.

 

 

 

 

Very nice of you to go with the two manuscripts that you prefer, versus the majority:

 

 

Majority of manuscripts: Kaari "Like lions"

 

Two manuscripts: Karu "They dig/pierce"

 

 

 

 

Correct translation: "For dogs have compassed me; a company of evil doers have inclosed me; like lions at my hands and my feet.

 

 

 

The one Christians prefer: "For dogs have compassed me; a company of evil doers have inclosed me; they dig/pierce at my hands and my feet."

[HugATree]

 

1. Jesus DID prove he was the son of God at the time by defeating death.

 

He was resurected 3 days after his death. He spent the three days in Hell after taking the worlds sins upon himself.

 

Mind showing us this proof, and not circular reasoning?

 

 

 

3. After his death, he appeared to 500 on one day alone, now that was only the male count that was recorded so it would be more then 500 counting the woman and children. so on one day he appeared to 500+ poeple, now all of them couldn't be hallucinating could they? :)

 

Where are their names and own recorded accounts?

 

 

 

4. Prophecies were made thousands of years before his birth, concerning his birth, death and crucifixtion. People weren't crucified THAT long ago so while the people at the time were all wondering what the heck crucifixtion was, it made perfect sense when Jesus was crucified.

 

Not all of them applied to Jesus, in the NT the apostles would retro-fit them. Isaiah 7:14 was to Ahaz, what good would Jesus do when Ahaz had been dead for hundreds of years?

[gangster]

 

1. Jesus DID prove he was the son of God at the time by defeating death.

 

He was resurected 3 days after his death. He spent the three days in Hell after taking the worlds sins upon himself.

 

Mind showing us this proof, and not circular reasoning?

 

 

 

3. After his death, he appeared to 500 on one day alone, now that was only the male count that was recorded so it would be more then 500 counting the woman and children. so on one day he appeared to 500+ poeple, now all of them couldn't be hallucinating could they? :)

 

Where are their names and own recorded accounts?

 

 

 

4. Prophecies were made thousands of years before his birth, concerning his birth, death and crucifixtion. People weren't crucified THAT long ago so while the people at the time were all wondering what the heck crucifixtion was, it made perfect sense when Jesus was crucified.

 

Not all of them applied to Jesus, in the NT the apostles would retro-fit them. Isaiah 7:14 was to Ahaz, what good would Jesus do when Ahaz had been dead for hundreds of years?

 

 

 

 

 

Point taken :) but my belief stands

 

 

 

 

 

This doesn't sound like 500 people to me:

 

 

 

That's what wikipedia says, it states the obvious, it cant state that he appeared to 500 because they dont have their names or reports. If jesus asked for all of their names that would have taken to much time writting them down and that would would be hard trying to get 500 written accounts from 500 people who are barely educated not even all of his disciples made written accounts.

 

 

 

And what about all the other things he did that i didn't state above, they were recorded IN the Bible, thats what its use was intentionally for, that and us getting to know God.

 

 

 

Also i never said anything about ALL prophecies made. I was referring to those made about Jesus not Ahaz, keep in mind that there are plenty of them, read psalms22 in the Bible for instance.

 

 

 

If you doubt me then ask someone educated in religion. :)

[HugATree]

 

Also i never said anything about ALL prophecies made. I was referring to those made about Jesus not Ahaz, keep in mind that there are plenty of them, read psalms22 in the Bible for instance.

 

How do you tell if they were made about Jesus? Matthew claimed Isaiah 7:14 predicted Jesus, reading Isaiah that doesn't make sense because you find out it was a sign to Ahaz. Matthew did what many accuse non-believers of doing, taking a verse out of context.

[bearofthunder]

 

 

 

That's what wikipedia says, it states the obvious, it cant state that he appeared to 500 because they dont have their names or reports. If jesus asked for all of their names that would have taken to much time writting them down and that would would be hard trying to get 500 written accounts from 500 people who are barely educated not even all of his disciples made written accounts.

 

 

 

Wikipedia does not say anything about Jesus appearing to 500 people. Obviously, they can't list the people's names, but if what you said is true, then wikipedia would have at least said "Jesus appeared to 500 people."

 

 

 

The only people who said they witnessed resurrection were Mary and the disciples. As I said - pretty convenient for them.

[Astralinre]

 

 

 

That's what wikipedia says, it states the obvious, it cant state that he appeared to 500 because they dont have their names or reports. If jesus asked for all of their names that would have taken to much time writting them down and that would would be hard trying to get 500 written accounts from 500 people who are barely educated not even all of his disciples made written accounts.

 

 

 

Wikipedia does not say anything about Jesus appearing to 500 people. Obviously, they can't list the people's names, but if what you said is true, then wikipedia would have at least said "Jesus appeared to 500 people."

 

 

 

The only people who said they witnessed resurrection were Mary and the disciples. As I said - pretty convenient for them.

 

 

 

As much as I like Wikipedia, it is not the final source on what the Bible says - if you want to know what the Bible says, you must actually read the Bible.

 

 

 

I Corinthians 15: 3-6 says,

 

"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep."

[bearofthunder]

 

 

 

As much as I like Wikipedia, it is not the final source on what the Bible says - if you want to know what the Bible says, you must actually read the Bible.

 

 

 

I Corinthians 15: 3-6 says,

 

"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep."

 

 

 

Paul, who wrote Corinthians, learned about the resurrection through

 

1. "revelations"

 

2. the scripture

 

 

 

This is why his words are not in Wikipedia. Wikipedia only takes into account the words of eyewitnesses, such as the original disciples. Paul was never present at any of the events he wrote about.

[Astralinre]

 

 

 

As much as I like Wikipedia, it is not the final source on what the Bible says - if you want to know what the Bible says, you must actually read the Bible.

 

 

 

I Corinthians 15: 3-6 says,

 

"For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep."

 

 

 

Paul, who wrote Corinthians, learned about the resurrection through

 

1. "revelations"

 

2. the scripture

 

 

 

This is why his words are not in Wikipedia. Wikipedia only takes into account the words of eyewitnesses, such as the original disciples. Paul was never present at any of the events he wrote about.

 

 

 

You forget that he also would have known the eyewitnesses themselves. We know he knew the Twelve, and it's likely that he knew others, considering his involvement in the early church.

 

 

 

Besides, givin the point of your post, what in the world makes you think that Wikipedia is an accurate source about who saw Christ if Paul isn't? The Bible is the definitive source of information on Christ's life - I think a book written a couple dozen years after the fact by a man who knew the eyewitnesses is much more credible than an online source written 2000 years later.

 

 

 

Allow me to repeat myself - if you want to know what the Bible says, read the Bible, not Wikipedia. Regardless of whether or not Wikipedia mentions the appearance to the 500, the Bible does, and it is our source of information about Jesus Christ.

[bearofthunder]

 

You forget that he also would have known the eyewitnesses themselves. We know he knew the Twelve, and it's likely that he knew others, considering his involvement in the early church.

 

 

 

Besides, givin the point of your post, what in the world makes you think that Wikipedia is an accurate source about who saw Christ if Paul isn't? The Bible is the definitive source of information on Christ's life - I think a book written a couple dozen years after the fact by a man who knew the eyewitnesses is much more credible than an online source written 2000 years later.

 

 

 

Allow me to repeat myself - if you want to know what the Bible says, read the Bible, not Wikipedia. Regardless of whether or not Wikipedia mentions the appearance to the 500, the Bible does, and it is our source of information about Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

Paul specifically writes in corinthians that anything he knew about the resurrection appearances came from the scripture and "revelations" he had in his dreams, not eyewitness accounts. I said that Wikipedia is better than corinthians because Wikipedia only uses material written by the original eyewitnesses. The year that an encyclopedia was made is irrelevant as long as its sources are good, since, unlike Paul, encyclopedias do not create any information of their own.