Do YOU believe in God?

[pianofrieak2]

U people i do believe in God. how could the universe just appear out of no-where?? and the earth is in the exact right spot for it to be not to cold or to hot?? There is NO proof of evolution yet there is proof of the BIBLE. in the bible when they were fighting (no this wasn't clan wars) the army on Gods side needed one more extra hour of day light, so it was given. Scientists have studied this bak and found out we are actually behind...the bible was written many thousands of years ago. CHANCE?? I think not. And they have found many scrolls about the bible. Oh yeah and how did the languages come about. The tower of babel which is mentioned in the bible. Heaven and hell is a real thing, how do u people know it isn't a real thing...have u been there? Very few christians have been taken to heaven and back to experience it and share their testimony to others. There was this one guy that went to heaven and hell after he died and rossed again to tell everyone bout the good news of jesus. And many people pray for people to get healed and they raise from the dead. I bet ure thinking wat about the bad stuff thats happening. Well the there IS a devil. he controls the world, but until the end times and God fights the last battle and defeats satan once and for all there will be a new heaven and earth. And for all u non-christians there will be a rapture and a judgement day. The christians will be taken up to heaven and the non-christans will stay on this earth to burn. Becaue the flood was water and the second time round which will be soon the earth will be competely destroyed by fire. If you have any questions i can answer them or ask my dad to answer them just pm me or add me on msn.

 

 

 

I'm a follower of Christ, but your end of your post about the end times is just plain wrong.

 

 

 

Christians are raptured leaving everyone else on the earth...but whose to say that no one else gets saved?

 

 

 

Besides, where does the Bible say that God will destroy the Earth with fire?

 

 

 

Your post is almost right on but the way you portray it sounds judgemental...

[shade_bandyt]

I dont believe in God. I dont see it can be real. I dont believe in heaven, or hell. There is no SOLID prove about any of it. Some lunatic could have made it up aaaaaaaages ago, and everyone believed it. Im not one of those people, who force the others to think the same way as me, but i would find it interesting to see how many people see it my way.

 

 

 

Trying to explain my experience would be like trying to explain to someone how salt tastes if they've never tasted it.

 

could you describe this experience? if youve experienced something that convinced you that god exists, maybe somebody else could experience the same thing and get the same results? i'd like to hear it (if you havent already posted it, since i only read the last few posts)

 

 

 

to me, all the evidence about the bible, middle eastern history, evolution and man's social development and civilization, says that god was invented as a supernatural explanation for questions man was not intelligent enough to answer. from the simple things like "where does lightning come from?" or "how come these crops grew so well?" or "what happens when people die?". at the time, thousands of years ago, man could not answer theses questions, so they made up stories. god became a popular explanation. as time went on, and political structure started to form, god was used as a political tool, with punishments and rewards to make people behave the way the leaders wanted to

 

 

 

today, god is still used as a political tool, but not as openly as the past. and god is still used as the explanation for questions we cant answer yet, but now we have more knowledge, supernatural explanations are not needed. just because we cant answer a question like "where did the universe come from?" doesnt mean that god must exist. just because we dont know all the answers means that there is a supernatural explanation. it could just be that we havent found the answer yet

[Necromagus]

U people i do believe in God. how could the universe just appear out of no-where??

Just because one theory doesn't answer a question doesn't automatically makes your answer right.

and the earth is in the exact right spot for it to be not to cold or to hot??

Planets are formed from those remnants of a nebula that do not condense under gravity to form a protostar. Instead, these remnants become a thin disc of dust and gas revolving around the protostar and begin to condense about local concentrations of mass within the disc. These concentrations become ever more dense until they collapse inward under gravity to form protoplanets. When the protostar has grown such that it ignites to form a star, its solar wind blows away most of the disc's remaining material. Thereafter there still may be many protoplanets orbiting the star or each other, but over time many will collide, either to form a single larger planet or release material for other larger protoplanets or planets to absorb. Meanwhile, protoplanets that have avoided collisions may become moons of larger planets.

 

 

 

Several factors account for the distance between a sun and its planets; among others mass of the sun, mass of the protoplanets and force of the solar winds. In the end it's all a matter of coincidence.

There is NO proof of evolution yet there is proof of the BIBLE.

Without getting into any of the details about the human species, I'd like to state one example: Bacteria. Thanks to their method of reproduction they have an incredibly high rate of mutation. As a result of these mutations, antibiotics that worked fine twenty or thirty years ago are useless now. Another prime example is the HIV virus, which mutates at such a fast rate that it's impossible for pharmacists to find any kind of cure for it.

in the bible when they were fighting (no this wasn't clan wars) the army on Gods side needed one more extra hour of day light, so it was given. Scientists have studied this bak and found out we are actually behind

Actually, the Julian calendar which went by the lunar phases has accumulated years of lag in the centuries before it was replaced by the Gregorian calendar. A single hour would be impossible to prove or disprove.

the bible was written many thousands of years ago. CHANCE?? I think not. And they have found many scrolls about the bible.

Same can be said for the Qu'ran, the Torah, the Zend Avesta... heck, even the Kama Sutra is ancient.

Oh yeah and how did the languages come about. The tower of babel which is mentioned in the bible.

Actually, linguistic evolutions come about by population drift. Language evolves constantly. When you'd use the word 'cool' fifty years ago, everybody would have thought you meant 'somewhat cold'. Now, 'cool' means 'good', 'awesome', or something similar. Over decades or centuries, this happens in a much larger scale.

 

 

 

Now imagine that one group of people would somehow loose all communication with another group of people. They each use their language freely, and slowly it changes. If descendants of these people would meet after five centuries, their languages would have evolved so much that it'd be nearly impossible for them to understand eachother. This has happened all the time in the past, and is still happening even now.

Heaven and hell is a real thing, how do u people know it isn't a real thing...have u been there? Very few christians have been taken to heaven and back to experience it and share their testimony to others. There was this one guy that went to heaven and hell after he died and rossed again to tell everyone bout the good news of jesus.

By that logic, UFO abductions would be real too, people come back to tell us about those all the time.

 

 

 

"No man hath seen God at any time."

 

- John 1:18

And many people pray for people to get healed and they raise from the dead.

Medical miracles happen with or without prayer, and not just by praying to the Christian God. Each religion has a long list of prayer healings, yet very few manage to provide actual proof.

 

 

 

"... he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more."

 

- Job 7:9

I bet ure thinking wat about the bad stuff thats happening. Well the there IS a devil. he controls the world, but until the end times and God fights the last battle and defeats satan once and for all there will be a new heaven and earth. And for all u non-christians there will be a rapture and a judgement day. The christians will be taken up to heaven and the non-christans will stay on this earth to burn. Becaue the flood was water and the second time round which will be soon the earth will be competely destroyed by fire. If you have any questions i can answer them or ask my dad to answer them just pm me or add me on msn.

Absolutely no prophecy about fire has been made. All that has been said about the bible is that there would be no second flooding. End by fire is just random speculation. Also:

 

 

 

"Generations come and generations go, but the earth abideth forever."

 

- Ecclesiastes 1:4

[Rilha]

U people i do believe in God. how could the universe just appear out of no-where?? and the earth is in the exact right spot for it to be not to cold or to hot?? There is NO proof of evolution yet there is proof of the BIBLE. in the bible when they were fighting (no this wasn't clan wars) the army on Gods side needed one more extra hour of day light, so it was given. Scientists have studied this bak and found out we are actually behind...the bible was written many thousands of years ago. CHANCE?? I think not. And they have found many scrolls about the bible. Oh yeah and how did the languages come about. The tower of babel which is mentioned in the bible. Heaven and hell is a real thing, how do u people know it isn't a real thing...have u been there? Very few christians have been taken to heaven and back to experience it and share their testimony to others. There was this one guy that went to heaven and hell after he died and rossed again to tell everyone bout the good news of jesus. And many people pray for people to get healed and they raise from the dead. I bet ure thinking wat about the bad stuff thats happening. Well the there IS a devil. he controls the world, but until the end times and God fights the last battle and defeats satan once and for all there will be a new heaven and earth. And for all u non-christians there will be a rapture and a judgement day. The christians will be taken up to heaven and the non-christans will stay on this earth to burn. Becaue the flood was water and the second time round which will be soon the earth will be competely destroyed by fire. If you have any questions i can answer them or ask my dad to answer them just pm me or add me on msn.

 

Aren't you the person that I met in-game that told me that I was going to Hell? :?

[MyPurpleCrayon]

Maybe if you guys could learn how to [spell and use correct grammar]* we could take you seriously.

 

*See Necro's above post.

[ogloc219]

Yeah, I believe in God and Heaven.

[Necromagus]

Maybe if you guys could learn how to [spell and use correct grammar]* we could take you seriously.

 

*See Necro's above post.

In all fairness, poor grammar and spelling are something both parties in this debate are guilty of. I simply consider it common courtesy to make my posts readable. If it's worth debating, it's also worth taking two minutes extra to type your respones out properly.

[SkULLEDPK3R]

I beleive in science and with science is evolution, we are all made of atoms, maybe god made the elements idk, there is no proof of God but their is a good point on how we came to be what we are today.

 

 

 

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their is a proof of no god cause the bible is some lies, Jesus couldnt of been born in the winter were he was cause the sheep wouldnt be were it was to cold and the spereds moved them.

[rocketman089]

their is a proof of no god cause the bible is some lies, Jesus couldnt of been born in the winter were he was cause the sheep wouldnt be were it was to cold and the spereds moved them.

 

 

 

Nobody ever said he was born in the winter. We just happen to celebrate his birth on December 25th. We have no idea what day he was born, because the calender we use now didn't exist back then :? . Not until 1,500 some-odd years later.

[bearofthunder]

U people i do believe in God. how could the universe just appear out of no-where?? and the earth is in the exact right spot for it to be not to cold or to hot??

 

 

 

For all we know, there is a limitless number of planets in the universe. Some of them are bound to be "not too cold and not too hot." The Earth isn't a "chosen" planet. We exist today purely because of chance.

[insane]

their is a proof of no god cause the bible is some lies, Jesus couldnt of been born in the winter were he was cause the sheep wouldnt be were it was to cold and the spereds moved them.

 

 

 

Nobody ever said he was born in the winter. We just happen to celebrate his birth on December 25th. We have no idea what day he was born, because the calender we use now didn't exist back then :? . Not until 1,500 some-odd years later.

 

 

 

Also I don't think it gets too cold in the middle east for sheep to survive the winter

[Guest GhostRanger]

their is a proof of no god cause the bible is some lies, Jesus couldnt of been born in the winter were he was cause the sheep wouldnt be were it was to cold and the spereds moved them.

 

 

 

Nobody ever said he was born in the winter. We just happen to celebrate his birth on December 25th. We have no idea what day he was born, because the calender we use now didn't exist back then :? . Not until 1,500 some-odd years later.

 

 

 

Right. December 25th was chosen as the date to celebrate when Constantine decided to convert his empire to Christianity. The 25th was already a celebrated pagan holiday (marks the time when the Sun starts staying the skies longer) and we actually think Jesus' birthday is closer to the 18th/19th of January.

[Gothka]

1) A lot of sites in the Bible have been found, and were in the exact place the Bible states.

 

 

 

2) How can there not be a God? How can we be a random thing flotting around? Kind of depressing isent it? If there is no purpos to life, then why should we life, or why are we here?

 

 

 

3) Are we just dust over millions of years? How could something so sofisticated as a brain be random? Just like in Runescape, all random events are planned lol...they might be random to the player, but never the maker of the random event.

[Guest GhostRanger]

1) A lot of sites in the Bible have been found, and were in the exact place the Bible states.

 

 

 

No one argues that the places in the Bible didn't exist. It was, afterall, written by people who were there. So why would they make up places?

 

 

 

2) How can there not be a God? How can we be a random thing flotting around? Kind of depressing isent it? If there is no purpos to life, then why should we life, or why are we here?

 

 

 

Although I agree with this idea, it is hardly any way to make a point.

 

 

 

3) Are we just dust over millions of years? How could something so sofisticated as a brain be random? Just like in Runescape, all random events are planned lol...they might be random to the player, but never the maker of the random event.

 

 

 

Did you actually just make an argument for the existence of God using a Runescape analogy?

[Mercifull]

@Gothka...

 

 

 

1) A lot of sites in the Bible have been found, and were in the exact place the Bible states.

 

Not sure exactly what you mean hear. I dont see how this is evidence supporting Christianity? Mary Poppins contains places that exist, doesnt mean its real.

 

 

 

2) How can there not be a God? How can we be a random thing flotting around? Kind of depressing isent it? If there is no purpos to life, then why should we life, or why are we here?

 

Humans are not random, we are a survival machine for genes that have existed through evolution over millions of years

 

 

 

3) Are we just dust over millions of years? How could something so sofisticated as a brain be random? Just like in Runescape, all random events are planned lol...they might be random to the player, but never the maker of the random event.

 

Again the very poor argument of how brains or eyes are so complex. You dont seem to understand that a brain such as a human didnt just appear one day. It grew again over millions of years before getting to be something as large and complex as it is now.

 

 

 

I was going to write a large post here explaining why your arguments are so false but i deleted most of what i wrote because i didnt see the point. Some of us here know that you are talking nonsense and the others just arnt worth wasting time trying to convince them of their errors anymore.

[HugATree]

How can there not be a God? How can we be a random thing flotting around? Kind of depressing isent it? If there is no purpos to life, then why should we life, or why are we here?

 

The same way there is no tooth fairy, kind of depressing the teeth just decay away?

 

I don't know about you but I don't float around much.

[Babyshambles]

hey read the first part of the bible, it says that god created the heavens and the earth without any light :D

[RoyalKnight]

Everything in the whole world is a result of a random set of occurrance, everything from the characteristic of H20 and water to the complexity of the human brain was a result of random series of events with no purpose, whatsoever.

 

 

 

 

 

:roll:

[Guest GhostRanger]

How can there not be a God? How can we be a random thing flotting around? Kind of depressing isent it? If there is no purpos to life, then why should we life, or why are we here?

 

The same way there is no tooth fairy, kind of depressing the teeth just decay away?

 

I don't know about you but I don't float around much.

 

 

 

I don't agree with Gothka, but your point doesn't make sense at all. The tooth fairy doesn't stop tooth decay or give purpose to the teeth...

[Ss_J9_Goten]

I believe in God. Some people just need to believe in a higher being than themselves; it gives us purpose in life. Also, with the big bang theory, there must have been something or someone to create the matter and anti-matter. But there also must have been something or someone to create that something or someone. It's quite an interesting conundrum.

[bearofthunder]

I believe in God. Some people just need to believe in a higher being than themselves; it gives us purpose in life. Also, with the big bang theory, there must have been something or someone to create the matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

And that is exactly how religion should be viewed. It is when people go further than the origin of the big bang to say that god was involved in the development of life that they become wrong.

[insane]

I believe in God. Some people just need to believe in a higher being than themselves; it gives us purpose in life. Also, with the big bang theory, there must have been something or someone to create the matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

And that is exactly how religion should be viewed. It is when people go further than the origin of the big bang to say that god was involved in the development of life that they become wrong.

 

 

 

That's an argument ad ignorantium - just because you can't observe God being involved doesn't mean that God isn't involved. It's something that cannot be proven/disproven by science, since science deals with natural phenomena - not the supernatural.

[bearofthunder]

I believe in God. Some people just need to believe in a higher being than themselves; it gives us purpose in life. Also, with the big bang theory, there must have been something or someone to create the matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

And that is exactly how religion should be viewed. It is when people go further than the origin of the big bang to say that god was involved in the development of life that they become wrong.

 

 

 

That's an argument ad ignorantium - just because you can't observe God being involved doesn't mean that God isn't involved. It's something that cannot be proven/disproven by science, since science deals with natural phenomena - not the supernatural.

 

 

 

I meant concepts like Intelligent Design that do deal with natural phenomena. I have no problem with the suggestion that god began the universe and has been watching over us since then.

[Guest GhostRanger]

I believe in God. Some people just need to believe in a higher being than themselves; it gives us purpose in life. Also, with the big bang theory, there must have been something or someone to create the matter and anti-matter.

 

 

 

And that is exactly how religion should be viewed. It is when people go further than the origin of the big bang to say that god was involved in the development of life that they become wrong.

 

 

 

That's an argument ad ignorantium - just because you can't observe God being involved doesn't mean that God isn't involved. It's something that cannot be proven/disproven by science, since science deals with natural phenomena - not the supernatural.

 

 

 

I meant concepts like Intelligent Design that do deal with natural phenomena. I have no problem with the suggestion that god began the universe and has been watching over us since then.

 

 

 

If God began the universe, then why can't he be in control of it? Him causing evolution to happen wouldn't be any different than evolution happening would it?

[bearofthunder]

 

 

 

If God began the universe, then why can't he be in control of it? Him causing evolution to happen wouldn't be any different than evolution happening would it?

 

 

 

That's what I'm saying. He could be responsible for causing life and evolution, but Intelligent Design goes beyond that.