Autoer/macroer discussion- please post here!

[stratotanker]

I alsoput this in the rants sticky, but being both these are old posts, I hope people will read. Jagex may have made an attempt, but more has to be done.

 

 

 

Jagex is cutting down on the member worlds botting to appease the paying members, but in free they are literally being made in droves. I quit in February but was chatting anyway for an hour so a friend said lets woodcut.

 

 

 

At the the yews we would never get a log, so we went to Draynor. There were no obvious autos there...but passing by were the yew autoers and newly made bots. This is not a player name...I repeat this is a bot name not a player name...this is a bot name so don't report here please. I saw ****(edit by stratotanker [5/31/2007]: to return to complacency with rule 1.6) and the numbers after were 4 digit.

 

 

 

1000 to 1050, 0600 to 0900, almost any random number, then 0920+

 

 

 

What does this tell me...Well being I reported nearly 20 **** (edit by stratotanker [5/31/2007]: to return to complacency with rule 1.6) named bots in so short a time means Jagex has poor detection systems (surprise, surprise); it means that any mod could detect that and that means no mods have been around for days for that many to be made or rather to still be in operation, ( j mods can also do it...j mods have low level accounts and some paid staff should be stopping this) it means that if I could detect a bot army visually, Jagex has the data base and can and should detect by repeat names and repeat skill pures of any name should automatically be banned as bots.

 

 

 

The 400 or so I found by checking hiscores in that hour while i was woodcutting is probably just a spit in the bucket of the actual number this guy has just under fcfc. It also means Jagex is woofing you into thinking they are attacking the bot problem. They have done a cursory sweep in member worlds and I cannot even report this as a non-member...so speaking of spit in a bucket...the 'crack-down' announcement was to appease as the detection system in place is is not effective.

 

 

 

Bold part will never happen. There'd be too much friendly fire, and there are such things as coincedences. What if you have had several characters, and they were all sequencial?

 

 

 

Now, someone hacks one of your accounts, and puts that account as a skiller. A WC skiller, for an example. Guess what now?

 

 

 

Said person makes 3 more WC skillers, taking your sequential order, and gets ALL of your accounts banned. How would you like that?

 

 

 

 

 

This won't work. I personally support MAC address bans.

[paulyts50]

stratotanker said

 

Bold part will never happen. There'd be too much friendly fire, and there are such things as coincedences. What if you have had several characters, and they were all sequencial?

 

 

 

Now, someone hacks one of your accounts, and puts that account as a skiller. A WC skiller, for an example. Guess what now?

 

 

 

Said person makes 3 more WC skillers, taking your sequential order, and gets ALL of your accounts banned. How would you like that?

 

 

 

This won't work. I personally support MAC address bans.

 

 

 

 

What if youhad several characters all pure wcers? 400+...oh yes i see your point (sarcasm) If said person has 3 wc skillers then too bad...why is that. Because they bot...if there is any reason someone is a pure wc skillers in 3 separate characters? umm nope...but what does that have to do with me finding 400 characters all wc pures...other then you think some might be banned in error.

 

 

 

If Jagex thinks as you do then I see the problem. One of those 400 might actually be one real fcfc1000 to fcfc 9999and so the other 400+ (i found hundreds more today by the way so lets make it 600+ so far for one account holder) bots can stay? And if a hacker takes my account and makes a wc skiller the other accounts wouldn't be banned because they would not only be wc skillers...people do not normally make pure wc skillers except to bot and if they do they want a pure real player, they only need one.

 

 

 

The real problem with botting is the complacency ...both on the part of Jagex and the players. You condone it and it becomes rampant.

[warren211]

The IP banning thing, though it is very good, may lead to a few problems:

 

 

 

what if your friend comes to house and demonstrates an autoer on YOUR computer? IP ban? you're goign down with him!

 

 

 

what if someone is giving away their account? even the best of rs players will probably try to access it jsut to see if it works.

 

 

 

Once they log in, they're risking an IP ban if the guy's an autoer!

[stratotanker]

IP Ban is only used in extreme cases.

 

 

 

Such as, JaGeX detects several bots coming from one origin. They pinpoint this. Said IP is blocked. But, some people have floating IP's.

 

 

 

 

 

That's why I said it doesn't work!

 

 

 

MAC ADDRESS BANNING FTW!

 

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Bold part will never happen. There'd be too much friendly fire, and there are such things as coincedences. What if you have had several characters, and they were all sequencial?

 

 

 

Now, someone hacks one of your accounts, and puts that account as a skiller. A WC skiller, for an example. Guess what now?

 

 

 

Said person makes 3 more WC skillers, taking your sequential order, and gets ALL of your accounts banned. How would you like that?

 

 

 

This won't work. I personally support MAC address bans.

 

 

 

 

What if youhad several characters all pure wcers? 400+...oh yes i see your point (sarcasm) If said person has 3 wc skillers then too bad...why is that. Because they bot...if there is any reason someone is a pure wc skillers in 3 separate characters?

(HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE, THEN. LOOK BELOW.)

umm nope...but what does that have to do with me finding 400 characters all wc pures...other then you think some might be banned in error.

 

 

 

If Jagex thinks as you do then I see the problem. One of those 400 might actually be one real ****(edit by stratotanker [5/31/2007]: to return to complacency with rule 1.6)1000

(not just a real, a paying MEMBER. JaGeX is a company. Companies are highly motivated by money. They love their cash income, and they won't like accidently losing a few mems along the way. Say you have 10k people. Then, take 10% of those, and set them aside. Those are paying members. That's $5000 dollars a month, right there. You ban them. You are out of $60,000 a year. YOU CANNOT BAN ACCOUNTS LIGHTLY. JaGeX has said before, that they weigh account banning heavily.

to ****(edit by stratotanker [5/31/2007]: to return to complacency with rule 1.6) 9999and so the other 400+ (i found hundreds more today by the way so lets make it 600+ so far for one account holder) bots can stay? And if a hacker takes my account and makes a wc skiller the other accounts wouldn't be banned because they would not only be wc skillers...people do not normally make pure wc skillers except to bot and if they do they want a pure real player, they only need one.

 

 

 

The real problem with botting is the complacency ...both on the part of Jagex and the players. You condone it and it becomes rampant.

 

 

 

About the 3 wc skillers thing, for an example.

 

 

 

How's about having 3 friends, each competing with another, and you, to get 99 wc first?

 

 

 

You make your skillers with the same name. You put a number in front of each, and it is sequentially incremented for each person.

 

 

 

The 'database' sees this, and your competition is shot out of the water.

 

 

 

How's about all four of you, friends and you, being paying members?

 

With those accounts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

'Nuff said. Won't work.

[lewagold2]

In every single members world, there is a level 3 in the basic starting stuff in the mage arena buying all the runes. They are obviously cheating, because i insult them and they don't respond, and, no level 3 could have that much cash.

[tastywheat1]

I have never understood how people can pick out macroers. Often times, when I train, I follow a predictable path and say nothing. What seperates me from them, besides th obvious of course?

 

 

 

 

 

+1

[tastywheat1]

i have seen an increase in autoers in woodcut, cutting willows, cutting yews, there everywhere. When i am cutting in drayorn willows, i see at sometimes 5 walking pass me at the same time! Something has to be done.

 

 

 

 

 

Ok I know this post is old but anyway

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree wiuth you about the dynor part I'm just glad wizerds are there to kill the autoers 1 time in eedge vile when i was choping willows an autoer dies and I get 100k willows! \ :wink: :mrgreen:

 

 

 

I seriously doubt this, why would a woodcutter be carrying 100k noted willows? why not just bank them. Either that autoer was rediculously stupid, or you're just a blatent liar.

[Madmax410]

the problem has grown to be almost unstoppable.

 

 

 

Sure, they MAY be able to get rid of the member autoers, but nothing is stopping them from making new account and auto on f2p as long as their on a proxxy sever.

 

 

 

what would help is if people reported like me - you see a lvl 3-20 cutting a high lvl tree who doesnt talk, report them. Sure, I get a few skiller sometimes, but if their honestly playing fair, nothing happans to them

[stratotanker]

True, and normally, they talk when a mod asks them their wc levels.

 

 

 

The p-mod friend of mine hates bots too. :D

[minerjimmy]

Jagex won't stop bots no matter what. They updated the tiles which caused most bots who use aryan tiles to figure out where to go and what to do to mess up and stopped the bots for a day. My friends easily figured out a way past it and now bots will rise again. Who knows when jagex will update their system again...

[lukas1051]

Sad isn't it... Considering they are trying to get rid of macros, these pictures don't give very good evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[paulyts50]

stratotanker, how dare you put your comments into the field that states it is my quote!!!!! And your silly answer to 3 fcfc all in the same name who might be friends all wcing to 99 is so silly! This guy has 900+ so far bots i have found in hiscores who have no other skills. You are saying there may be some legit in there so don't try to get them all? What a load of garbage! Jagex has the data base and does nothing and players like you are condoning their lack of attention to bots.

 

 

 

Once again don't you dare quote someone and place your own junky reply into the quote!

[stratotanker]

How the heck am I supposed to put the responses where I need to, then?

 

 

 

 

 

You dare flame me?

 

 

 

All I am saying, is that you can't use that method. IT DOESN'T WORK.

 

 

 

If it does, I want to see an algorithm that filters through all of the people on the hiscores for just bots.

 

 

 

Then, I want to see him prove that they are bots.

 

It's not a sound system.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, I'll quote as I please. Here's a suggestion for yourself. Get a friggin grammercheck.

 

 

 

Now, I am not saying that don't go after them all, I am saying be careful, and don't get ban happy.

 

For those kind of things, you have to do your homework. You NEED absolute evidence that they are bots. It's hard, having all these bots, I know, but you need to cool down. There ARE going to be innocents, and the last thing JaGeX wants is to hurt their PR, what little they have.

 

 

 

What would YOU have us do?

 

 

 

Personally, I have p-mod friends that come over, then ask the suspected bots a few questions. Even if chat is off, and the p-mod is ignored, they still get to them. That way, there is no excuse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, IDC if my suggestion is silly, it IS possible, hmm? I've done the same with a friend, we're racing to get the hardest hitting pure within X amount of time. Besides, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO NAME PEOPLE. I've called in a mod to edit out the names (Rule 1.6, look it up, genius), and if you put them back....well....GL. I myself am editing out the names you've posted out of the times I've quoted you.

[paulyts50]

How the heck am I supposed to put the responses where I need to, then?

 

 

 

The way I am doing...the correct way. You press quote from the thread you wish to reply to, add this...............>

to the end of the first paragraph you are quoting...then highlight the remarks further on that you wish to quote...press quote....and then add your reply.

 

 

 

 

 

You dare flame me?

 

 

 

By telling you that quoting me and adding your junk within my quote had to stop? That is not a flame, that is a fact.

 

 

 

A quote is placed around a person's comments to quote the individual. Otherwise it is NOT a quote

 

 

 

All I am saying, is that you can't use that method. IT DOESN'T WORK.

 

 

 

If it does, I want to see an algorithm that filters through all of the people on the hiscores for just bots

 

Then, I want to see him prove that they are bots.

 

It's not a sound system.

 

 

 

I am female...and you have 900+ with hiscores around 62...but you think there might be a legit in there? Then the legit will have other scores that Jagex can see. They have more then a hiscores list in their data base.

 

 

 

And, I'll quote as I please. Here's a suggestion for yourself. Get a friggin grammercheck.

 

 

 

No, you won't. Learn how to use the quotes and you have no excuse now that I advised you how.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I am not saying that don't go after them all, I am saying be careful, and don't get ban happy.

 

For those kind of things, you have to do your homework. You NEED absolute evidence that they are bots. It's hard, having all these bots, I know, but you need to cool down. There ARE going to be innocents, and the last thing JaGeX wants is to hurt their PR, what little they have. What would YOU have us do?

 

 

 

What would I suggest? There should be paid mods who are soley devoted to removing bots. Jagex should be closing down sites where their items are being sold, if they truly were stopping real world trading. Advise google and other majors that the rs gold and item sale sites are illegitimate and have them removed on a daily basis. (Yes this can be done) Set up new detection systems at least once a month (not just once a year) by having anti botters on staff that reverse design the codes of any new bot system, not just one.... The present system is an appeasement, that does nothing to stop the armies of botters.

 

 

 

And, IDC if my suggestion is silly, it IS possible, hmm? I've done the same with a friend, we're racing to get the hardest hitting pure within X amount of time.

 

 

 

Your reply that 3 of those 900+ are racing to get 99 together is...hogwash! And I did do my homework; I looked them all up...something which Jagex needs to do. The person made quite possibly thousands at a time by finding the name no one had and making them all at once...no trip thru tutorial needed and all were saved for when he needed them. BTW I reported the hundreds of fcfc I saw, some on the same tree and they are still there. What a great detection system and report system hmmm?

 

 

 

! Besides, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO NAME PEOPLE. I've called in a mod to edit out the names (Rule 1.6, look it up, genius), and if you put them back....well....GL. I myself am editing out the names you've posted out of the times I've quoted you.

 

 

 

And I was not naming one player I was naming a bot army! Get it removed by all means...they are leveled around 62 and most show up in hiscores. I have found 900+, none with any other purpose then to bot or standby for when the next one 'might' banned because Jagex does nothing! Each world I was on had 2 or 3 fcfc botters.

 

 

 

Personally, I have p-mod friends that come over, then ask the suspected bots a few questions. Even if chat is off, and the p-mod is ignored, they still get to them. That way, there is no excuse.

 

 

 

Ummmm, who cares about your one mod friend who gets 10 players banned a day! What does that have to do with the poor detection system? A few mod reports are a spit in the bucket and most mods are not at the botting sites or on ftp where they are being made.

[stratotanker]

What would I suggest? There should be paid mods who are soley devoted to removing bots. Jagex should be closing down sites where their items are being sold, if they truly were stopping real world trading. Advise google and other majors that the rs gold and item sale sites are illegitimate and have them removed on a daily basis. (Yes this can be done) Set up new detection systems at least once a month (not just once a year) by having anti botters on staff that reverse design the codes of any new bot system, not just one.... The present system is an appeasement, that does nothing to stop the armies of botters.

 

Google may remove the advertisement, but the sites will still exist. It isn't legal to shut down sites that are selling items on RS. You need info that they are doing something illegal to get them shut down, but that is quite hard to find. Maybe copyright violation? But, then, it would take a looong time to get the sites taken down, unless the site hosters comply.

 

Also, some bots give what they get to a main char, for use in fletching, mage, rc, etc. If you detect a bot, you don't just ban it immeadiately, you follow it home. By finding the person's main, you can knock out a whole group of bots. That's what JaGeX is up to, I believe.

 

 

 

And, why JaGeX hasn't hired purely bot-hunting mods, I don't know, but I'd love to have that job :twisted: hehehehe.

 

 

 

Also, detection systems are a bit hard to make...it would just be smarter to set up traps for the bots, or something in-game that really screws them over. It'd take a lot of time for each detection system, but the results would be great. But, think of how out-gunned JaGeX is. You've got, say, 300 people that are working on jamming bots. Then, the botters have 30 people trying to get around the bot-jammers. Now, there are 80 bunches of botters trying to get around. It only takes one slip-up by JaGeX to let some bots through.

 

 

 

These detection systems, also, will take up space. If you include them within the applet, it increases load times (which are already bad, they need to be optimized!), it hurts FPS counts (making everything lag). If they put it server-side, it makes server capacity go down, lag lag lag, and hurts some response times.

 

 

 

I've noticed, though, that some bots now incorporate autotyping, in order to throw us bot-haters off. Don't use the if-it-talks-it-isn't-a-bot rule now.

 

 

 

I didn't mean that don't chop people out if there are innocents in there, also, but instead, take some steps to double check. If you are making something VERY, VERY PRECISE, you take your time to check the blueprints again and again, to make sure you've got it right. Here's another one. You can't perform open-heart surgery with a crowbar, an axe, and a screwdriver. You'll get sued for malpractice by the dead patient's family

 

 

 

You, by the way, may have found some bots, but using just the high-score tables for reference isn't good enough. You need another layer for proof. . . If only they put all yews in the wildy...

 

 

 

All it'd take is a few pures, then, and it's chow time.

 

 

 

Maybe JaGeX needs to make a few attempts at creating forgery bot sites, and forgery rs gold sites, so that they can grab those who use bots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And, sorry for the flame, I'm just a BIT irritated right now. (In need of sleep)

 

I just took it as you thought I supported bots, and I won't let ANYONE try to degrade me to that.

[thestig0]

I saw the same level 107 autoer at green dragons in level 13 wildy 3 times in the space of 7 hours on the same world. I am two combat levels higher than him but mage pkers always willingly leave autoers alone, even though they can attack them. I followed the autoer and said 'hi' to him, he replied by saying 'gun'. Why in the world did he say 'gun' for???

[Fairness]

Get a friggin grammercheck.

 

Oh, the irony. What is a grammer?

[stratotanker]

I saw the same level 107 autoer at green dragons in level 13 wildy 3 times in the space of 7 hours on the same world. I am two combat levels higher than him but mage pkers always willingly leave autoers alone, even though they can attack them. I followed the autoer and said 'hi' to him, he replied by saying 'gun'. Why in the world did he say 'gun' for???

 

 

 

Uhh.....It might mean 'go' in another language.

 

 

 

Just a guess.

[HawkMaster]

I saw yesterday, a J Mod and around 5-10 P Mods going around Yew Trees in F2P yesterday south of Falador, and they were banning autoers. I hear people always complaining about Yew Autoers and how Jagex is doing nothing about them. Here is a picture for proof: (names taken out for privacy)

 

 

 

[paulyts50]

I saw yesterday, a J Mod and around 5-10 P Mods going around Yew Trees in F2P yesterday south of Falador, and they were banning autoers. I hear people always complaining about Yew Autoers and how Jagex is doing nothing about them. Here is a picture for proof: (names taken out for privacy)

 

 

 

 

j mods have gold crowns and you can name them as they are staff, not players. I have never seen a j mod in game for almost 4 years of game play and I see no gold crown in your picture as proof.

 

 

 

I see they are reporting a cctt of which there are hundreds and hundreds. It should only take that one mod a few weeks to ban a few in that 'family' and meanwhile his ccttaa army will be ready to rise. Unless Jagex gets serious about bots and their detection it will only get worse. No one in free is getting any logs and for those who say bots provide a service, well, the players would be cutting them if they could!

[HawkMaster]

You can see at the top, where the name/crown is, and here is another pic of it.

 

 

 

[stratotanker]

Maybe JaGeX does read the Tip.it forums... :shock:

 

 

 

Personaly, I'd like to see a few jagex mods walk about in full gilded, then start announcing to the wcers to walk away from the trees for a minute, and any who would not do so would be examined under the finest microscope for macroing.

 

 

 

Ya know, something really visible and public.

 

It'd help morale for all players.

 

 

 

And, there would be so many screenies....hehehe

 

That's what we need. Any Jagex mods, if you are reading, please do something like this. We need highly visual support. Some of us have lost hope....

 

 

 

:shock:

 

 

 

OMG!

 

 

 

:thumbsup:

 

 

 

WOOT!

 

 

 

Here's where I had suggested it...

 

 

 

The suggestion of public banning---I made it!

[undeadhaunter]

And, why JaGeX hasn't hired purely bot-hunting mods, I don't know, but I'd love to have that job :twisted: hehehehe.

 

 

 

 

 

I would also love to have that inda job to...

 

Beware Bots Were comeing for you :twisted: MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

[paulyts50]

Jagex won't stop bots no matter what. They updated the tiles which caused most bots who use [Caution] tiles to figure out where to go and what to do to mess up and stopped the bots for a day. My friends easily figured out a way past it and now bots will rise again. Who knows when jagex will update their system again...

 

 

 

Seems you have slimey 'friends'. Being they arenot playing the game and are cheating and you are condoning it by remaining their friend and not reporting them, you are helping make the game what it is today. Full of scammers, hackers, autoers and beggers and a few honest players interspersed.

 

 

 

It is sad. And please don't say 'I don't rat my friends'. If he is willing to cheat the system, it is a safe bet he is like that in real and would happily cheat people and friends as well. I consider it ok to rat on a rat. One of my former 'friends' said as I reported him, you are so lucky to be on my friend list, because I don't hack friends. Wow, lucky me.... :roll: and my friends that I introduced him to were equally thrilled, as now we knew why so many of my friends were being hacked. -.-

[stratotanker]

One of my former 'friends' said as I reported him, you are so lucky to be on my friend list, because I don't hack friends. Wow, lucky me.... :roll: and my friends that I introduced him to were equally thrilled, as now we knew why so many of my friends were being hacked. -.-

 

 

 

Omg, send a message to JaGeX to monitor that player's IP address...or MAC address, if they can. If they find the slightest inkling of that person hacking, they need to send down the hammer, and cut that person off. Permanently. Those kind of people are just losers, and need to be cast out using a catapult and beaten with a reaaaaally long stick.

 

 

 

Also, many people who beg, also scam, hack, bot, etc. Just because they are a lvl 15 doesn't mean they aren't rich. Don't give the noobs money if they beg for it. Although, if you can get them to get you stuff, they deserve cash. Nonetheless, keep an eye out.