Underage pregnancies

[SanFranciscoGiants]

There shouldnt be an abortion, because thats taking an innocent life, atleast put it up for adoption.

[SanFranciscoGiants]

Underage pregnancy is pretty darn scary :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I'd prefer to have sex once I'm actually married. Not before.

 

 

 

Awesome, me too.

[French]

That's like saying if I have urges to kill somebody, I should just kill dogs and hope that my urges are momentarily satisfied.

 

 

 

 

That's one for the sig...

 

 

 

Anyway, the morale of the story is, we could encourage kids to have safe sex instead of not having sex at all, but parents don't want their kids having sex(or sometimes even knowing about sex) so it doesn't work out.

 

 

 

Stupid parents. :roll:

[Faux]

Underage pregnancy is pretty darn scary :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I'd prefer to have sex once I'm actually married. Not before.

 

 

 

Awesome, me too.

 

When you get the chance, you wouldn't say no :|

[killer_stone]

Do you really think that we should be encouraging 11-year olds to have sex?

 

Do go ahead and quote where I said that. I'll be waiting.

 

 

 

It was a conclusion I drew from your sarcastic remark. If abstinence as contraception is laughable, then instead we should be encouraging the use of other contraceptive methods, all which include sex. Since the article (or part of it) was about an 11-year-old pregnancy, I figured that if you were being on topic, you were relating it to the quoted 11-year-old that was pregnant.

 

 

 

 

Vasectomys \

[Death_By_Pod]

 

He was merely pointing out that abstinence as contraception isn't laughable, because it works 100% of the time. You say it fails because teens aren't able to control themselves, but that isn't because abstinence is laughable, it is because the self-control some teens have nowadays is laughable.

 

 

 

Yep and not eating food is a good method for not getting fat. They are both 100% flawless ways to prevent you from getting pregnant and fat, however they don't work in the real world. In the real world you need to eat to survive and be intimate in a serious relationship.

 

 

 

To many Christians a serious relationship begins at marriage, therefore sex is discouraged before that point. However as you know not everyone shares this belief, some people consider being in a serious relationship much earlier or later. It is not up to you to decide when a person should or shouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t practice intimacy; medical consensus states that at around 16 it is safe and healthy for a person to partake in sex.

 

 

 

At this point the person should be free to choose wether or not to practice sex (since it does not contribute negatively to physical and mental development), depending on their own moral judgement on the issue. You might feel one way about the issue but there are many others that feel another. YouÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re welcome to practice what you believe in but youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re not welcome to impose that belief on others.

 

 

 

At some point in time you will want to participate in sexual intercourse and being ignorant about how to prevent pregnancy isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t going to help stop pregnancy. Like someone said earlier being educated on preventing pregnancy (contraception, understanding female menstrual cycles etc.) does not do anything to support it. PeopleÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s moral opinions on the matter are not going to change with education. If people feel that sex should be left till marriage they will keep feeling that way even if they are taught contraception methods. Having a weak sexual education program isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t going to help decrease teen pregnancy because teens will just go living on not understanding how important contraception is.

 

 

 

 

Don't be ridiculous. You're saying that because teens have no self-control, we should just let them act however they want and try to narrow the consequences. That's like saying if I have urges to kill somebody, I should just kill dogs and hope that my urges are momentarily satisfied.

 

 

 

What if teenagers today have no self-control because they're primary role models, they're parents, have no self-control and they aren't taught to be responsible for their actions or even to have good behavior (for most schools are anti-gang instead of pro-working together)? Maybe that's why we have no self-control in today's culture.

 

 

 

Having no control is a code word for not believing in my moral opinion? ItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s perfectly healthy to have as much sex as you want in your teens (itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s not healthy to have thoughts about harming others), caring for an unwanted baby is not healthy. ItÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s not a matter of self-control but being ignorant about being able to prevent any bad consequences from occurring.

 

 

 

Contraception is perfectly acceptable at preventing pregnancy (youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re always going to get ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åmiracle babiesÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[Anesthesia]

You're saying that because teens have no self-control, we should just let them act however they want and try to narrow the consequences.

 

 

 

Again, do show me where I said that.

 

 

 

Don't be ridiculous. I never said anywhere that people should have underage sex. Anywhere. Where is the harm in educating them about contraception because you can be 110% certain that not every one of them will keep it in their pants.

 

 

 

It's illegal to use heroin, does that mean that clean needle programmes are the government encouraging it? No. They are limiting the spread of HIV because they know they can't stop people doing it. In case you hadn't realised back in never never land, it is impossible to monitor 100% of all citizens 100% of the time.

 

 

 

That's like saying if I have urges to kill somebody, I should just kill dogs and hope that my urges are momentarily satisfied.

 

 

 

Where on earth did you get that from? You seem to be the master of ludicrous analogies. If you are having urges to kill unprovoked then you have a serious problem. If you are having urges to have sex, congratulations - you have joined over 4 billion people wanting to do what life does best.

 

 

 

My point still stands: if the youth of today has no self control, how is promoting abstinence going to prevent underage pregnancy. Not everyone can be indoctrinated, more's the pity.

[kelem_ryu]

Holland has the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the western world, and all kids get sex ed in the first or year of high school (12-13 years old), including hygiene, anticonception and STDs. I think we might be on to something here :-k

 

 

 

i thought there wasn't anything left to discuss after this statement..

 

 

 

 

 

to those who say "adaption instead of abortion": it's one thing to abort an undeveloped fetus in the state, in the time, where you hardly notice it (well "hardly" the system goes crazy. i was told it's like being on drugs, but in the early state it's not like you feel the baby kicking around and stuff like that). it's another thing, to carry the child 9 month in you and finnally give birth to it, wich is a unique experience (from the most wonderful thing that happend in your life to traumatizing) and then just give it away. i think once you gave birth, you should rather keep the child. i beleive that the child will know on a subconscieous level, that it was given away.

[kido14]

Holland has the lowest teen pregnancy rates in the western world, and all kids get sex ed in the first or year of high school (12-13 years old), including hygiene, anticonception and STDs. I think we might be on to something here :-k

 

 

 

Where I go to school (North Carolina, in the U.S.A), we get our "sex ed" in 5th grade, which is about the age of 10-11

[caligula101]

Abortion is legal and it isn't technically killing, as the foetus is not actually alive. Therefore forcing them to have an abortion is a perfectly apt solution as it isn't illegal, it would probably be met with strong public support. The public seem to be getting tired of the amount of money being given to these people for (as someone earlier said) 18 years of their life and we get nothing out of it! These ignorant young mothers raise their children to end up very similar to their parents (which is often the case with us all), who then get pregnant at a young age and we have more of a problem. That they keep reproducing!

[Anesthesia]

Therefore forcing them to have an abortion is a perfectly apt solution as it isn't illegal, it would probably be met with strong public support.

 

 

 

I can only assume you're on a non-stop mescaline high to draw conclusions like that. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your proposal but you are severely delusional if you think there would be any public support.

[caligula101]

Therefore forcing them to have an abortion is a perfectly apt solution as it isn't illegal, it would probably be met with strong public support.

 

 

 

I can only assume you're on a non-stop mescaline high to draw conclusions like that. I'm neither agreeing nor disagreeing with your proposal but you are severely delusional if you think there would be any public support.

 

 

 

When I refer to the public I mean those that are educated. For example people on this site seem quite intelligent and I have had mainly support for my idea. I don't expect it to be popular with these kind of people but it is the best suggestion to stop them reproducing.

[Anesthesia]

This is a site filled with teenagers who are still wet behind the ears, have had no experience in the real world and are largely incapable of seeing beyond their own noses, though a small number of exceptions exist. This site is in no way representative of the public as a whole.

[insane]

Underage pregnancy is pretty darn scary :ohnoes:

 

 

 

I'd prefer to have sex once I'm actually married. Not before.

 

 

 

Awesome, me too.

 

When you get the chance, you wouldn't say no :|

 

 

 

Just because you wouldn't say no, doesn't mean other people wouldn't :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is not up to you to decide when a person should or shouldnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t practice intimacy; medical consensus states that at around 16 it is safe and healthy for a person to partake in sex.

 

 

 

At this point the person should be free to choose wether or not to practice sex (since it does not contribute negatively to physical and mental development), depending on their own moral judgement on the issue. You might feel one way about the issue but there are many others that feel another. YouÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re welcome to practice what you believe in but youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re not welcome to impose that belief on others.

 

 

 

Who said I was imposing my belief? I just said that abstinence worked as birth cotnrol. Everyone in this thread is stating their beliefs, but as per usual, the Christian gets pegged for "imposing". Interesting.

[Death_By_Pod]

 

Who said I was imposing my belief? I just said that abstinence worked as birth control. Everyone in this thread is stating their beliefs, but as per usual, the Christian gets pegged for "imposing". Interesting...

 

 

 

But it isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t... in reality youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re very, very unlikely to have a serious relationship without sex. A relationship without sex is like visiting a circus (first thing that came to mind, donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t kill me) for the rides, games and novelty toys. You can do those activities at other events; youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re missing out on the thing that makes a circus unique (itÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s show).

 

 

 

How am I stating a belief? The decision of when to have sex is up to the person as long as their body can physically and mentally handle it. The only imposing part is the age restriction which can be totally justified (body hasnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t developed sexual organs, young people are susceptible to being taken advantage off). The lack of a belief isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t a belief.

 

 

 

Christians are getting pegged because they are the most vocal and relevant voice on the issue. I can say the similar things for any other perspective (ones that wish to restrict natural behaviour) however the most predominate and relevant perspective on this forum is Christian. There is no point talking about what Raelians (http://www.rael.org) think, when very few people are Raelians and I doubt any visit these forums.

[Fat_Slug]

i'd just like to say that a female can get pregnant without having intercourse

 

 

 

my sister's third child(he's 16 now) was conceived without intercourse, (i won't go into minute details,but it is possible)

[ice_ring]

i'd just like to say that a female can get pregnant without having intercourse

 

 

 

my sister's third child(he's 16 now) was conceived without intercourse, (i won't go into minute details,but it is possible)

 

 

 

What the...?

 

 

 

I'm curious... :-s

[Stoop111]

i'd just like to say that a female can get pregnant without having intercourse

 

 

 

my sister's third child(he's 16 now) was conceived without intercourse, (i won't go into minute details,but it is possible)

 

 

 

Do you mean she?

 

 

 

And to try and answer ice__rings question. Donations.

[ice_ring]

i'd just like to say that a female can get pregnant without having intercourse

 

 

 

my sister's third child(he's 16 now) was conceived without intercourse, (i won't go into minute details,but it is possible)

 

 

 

Do you mean she?

 

 

 

And to try and answer ice__rings question. Donations.

 

 

 

I was curious because she made it sound as if she got pregnant accidently even though she did not have intercourse.

[Fat_Slug]

my sister carmen was ill at the time so she and her husband did not "do the deed" so to speak.

 

 

 

next thing she knew she was pregnant with her now 16 year old son.

[FuBai]

Let's take a look at this:

 

 

 

 

Around where I live whenever I cycle to college I cycle past an area of town where these kind of people dwell.

 

 

 

Um...these kind of people? Lesser life forms? Sorry, with that comment you have made me - one of the most right wing people in my school, say wdf? You biggoted illegititmate child.

 

 

 

 

 

I see lots of teenage mothers walking around and it irritates me to think that they go out (at taxpayers expense) and get themselves pregnant and live their lives on benefits. For example I saw this one girl about my age (16) and she already had a child running around her as well as the fact she was pregnant with another one. They go and reproduce more hooligans to terroise the country that I live in and i'm sick of it.

 

 

 

I'm sorry what? Are you suggesting they go out of thier way to get pregnant so everyone can look down thier noses at them, they will find it hard to get a stable relationship, and most probably get bullied at school etc. Yes, I agree they are stupid, yes I agree i would not give them so much benefit, but, once again, wdf?

 

 

 

Literally hundreds of millions of pounds are given to these people for them to waste and I think it should be cut down. There are so many other things that the money could be spent on to help others that need it, not wasting it on people that will throw it back in our face by reproducing more kids. Perhaps only people that live in the U.K can relate to what i'm saying, perhaps not...

 

 

 

lets look at this issue: How much money do you think is going to these mothers? They really arn't all that common, what ever the Sun might say. The wastage is very small in comparison. Yet I agree with you, they have been stupid enough to get knocked up in the first place, they should deal with it to a certain extent. But we must rember that at the age of 11, or even 16, you don't realy know what you want, and accidents happen all to easily.

 

 

 

A solution to this would be to force all women/girls under the age of 18 that become pregnant to have an abortion. It would save the country more money to spend on the people that genuinelly need help.

 

 

 

Abortions cost money. Quite a bit of money infact. Moreover they kill off a potential worker, who could bring in revenue for the state, and thereby, under smithian economics, the people. Of course there's the other side of the argument - mothers feel a strong pscychological bond to thier child - even voulentary abortions can cause severe mental trauma. If you are prepared to strap the girl to the desk, and do the operation against her will, then you seriously need counciling. The trauma would be imense. Moreover, you will simply cause a rise in illegal births because pregant teenagers will hide - and thier families and friends are likley to help them. They may either wait until the child is born - outside of a hospital this increases the risk of dieing giving birth, or they could simply wait until the point of viability. There may even develope a market for hiding such people. Yea, so sure, that plan's gunna work.

 

 

 

There is no simple solution - we must change the mind set of these girls - perhaps threaten instant seperation of the child and mother at birth - the child going off to be adopted. Even this has many of the flaws I have listed above, so will not work entirely.

[FuBai]

This is a site filled with teenagers who are still wet behind the ears, have had no experience in the real world and are largely incapable of seeing beyond their own noses, though a small number of exceptions exist. This site is in no way representative of the public as a whole.

 

 

 

Of course. it's a fan site for an online game. What do you expect? Your not gunna be gettign a crosssection of society. I also don;t like the marginaly qualified gross generalisation. I'm 16, and I am sure I can both see beyond my own nose and am not "wet behind the ears" - all I can say is I better be one of those "small number of exceptions"

 

 

 

And caligula...wdf again. Educated does not = intelegent. Intelectual does not = always correct. Go back 60 years, and all the intelectuals were bumming lenin and mao, 15 yrs ago it was all neo-liberalism and Thatcherism. Niether of these worked in absolute terms (although I still like the idea of neo-liberalism).

[insane]

 

Who said I was imposing my belief? I just said that abstinence worked as birth control. Everyone in this thread is stating their beliefs, but as per usual, the Christian gets pegged for "imposing". Interesting...

 

 

 

But it isnÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t... in reality youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re very, very unlikely to have a serious relationship without sex.

 

 

 

I didn't say abstinence worked well for a good intimate relationship, I just said that abstinence works well as birth control. You're reading too much into it :P if you don't have sex, you don't get a kid (99.999999% of the time). That's all I meant.

 

 

 

But your post brought up a point - let's agree that sex is vital to a healthy intimate relationship. Let's also agree that people are physically ready to have sex as young as 11 (as seen in the quoted article). Does this mean that people are mentally, emotionally, socially, economically, etc, ready to be having sex? Sex is a primarily physical act, but there are so many more factors surrounding it. Do you think that teenagers, while physically ready to have sex, are mentally ready to have a serious relationship? I would tend to think not.

[kelem_ryu]

Abortion is legal and technically not killing..

 

 

 

in austria (where i live) abortion isn't legal. it just isn't penaltized. this compromise seemed to be made, to make a point.

 

 

 

i'd say it is killing... it's just if i was a woman (or a girl for that matter) i'd want to have the right to kill something, that's growing INSIDE of ME!

[Faux]

 

Just because you wouldn't say no, doesn't mean other people wouldn't :P

 

 

 

 

It depends how hot the girl is, am i rite?

 

 

 

Lol, kidding. There's a few girls I know that are saving themselves for marriage. Mostly because they don't want to disappoint their parents. I never heard of abstinence from a guy though.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, sometimes if the girl is saving herself for marriage, the guy can persuade the girl. I'm fortunate enough that my sister is a bit of a tomboy so me or my dad isn't committing murder anytime soon :anxious: