Kramer's Racist Remarks.

[bloodkilla87]

Dont feel like reading everything so..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That guy is so stupid saying all you had was seinfeld. Krammer probably made more money in 1 episode them some of us will in a lifetime.

[fearspudgod]

Lol, hundreds of people dying in iraq, people in sudan are being terroized by the rebels, and reporters choose to head line this? what the hell is wrong with the world these days.

[BlueLancer]

While I agree that he went totally overboard in that clip, when I was watching it, inevitably the following scenario came to my mind:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think it was a black guy on stage, and the hecklers were white. Everybody would've thought of the scenario as very hilarious and thought of his equivalent comments of "vanillaface" or "crackerass" as appropriate if he insulted the white audience with an equally blunt slur.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dave Chappelle, who is one of my favourite comedians, could've done that scenario with elegance and nobody would've called him a racist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But because it's a white guy, he's the racist of all time. Though I agree his reaction was ridiculous; if you didn't watch the clip, watch it now. I don't get it why he wants to ruin his reputation and possibly his career. I could barely distinguish him from a Ku Klux rallyist.

[Astralinre]

While I agree that he went totally overboard in that clip, when I was watching it, inevitably the following scenario came to my mind:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Think it was a black guy on stage, and the hecklers were white. Everybody would've thought of the scenario as very hilarious and thought of his equivalent comments of "vanillaface" or "crackerass" as appropriate if he insulted the white audience with an equally blunt slur.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dave Chappelle, who is one of my favourite comedians, could've done that scenario with elegance and nobody would've called him a racist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But because it's a white guy, he's the racist of all time. Though I agree his reaction was ridiculous; if you didn't watch the clip, watch it now. I don't get it why he wants to ruin his reputation and possibly his career. I could barely distinguish him from a Ku Klux rallyist.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also agree that while his reaction was way over the top, no one would've cared if it'd been a black man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just another of those double standards in our society. Perhaps we need a White History Month and a white-only college scholarship program to balance out those prejudices.

[apinagez]

Lol, hundreds of people dying in iraq, people in sudan are being terroized by the rebels, and reporters choose to head line this? what the hell is wrong with the world these days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sitcom actors don't live in Sudan.

[Diminished2b]

The Boston University has a white scholarship offer for people 25% or more Caucasian.

[mad4u689]

While watching "Kramer" use those words and that language makes me sick, the responses here on this board just make me unbelievably sad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Racism is deeply institutionalized. Modern racism is usually not blatant and it is usually not intentional.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a fundamental flaw in the idea of having a "White History Month" because the history we're already getting is ALREADY overtly white. History as white history is institutionalized is already institutionalized into our system of education!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The definition of racism as prejudiced based upon skin color / race is often used, but within academia and the intellectual community, a new definition of racism is often being accepted as more accurate to describe the modern racism that occurs today. This new definition says that racism is a combination of prejudice PLUS power. Someone is acting racist when they discriminate, but also have the power to abuse that discrimination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example, being black is something that most black individuals have to deal with every day of their life, if they live in a society where there is an unbalanced power dynamic with whites at the top. If you are white, and someone calls you "Cracker," you don't have to deal with the repurcussions of it every day of your life, for most people - you are intially offended, and then quickly move on. If you are black, and someone calls you "[racist term]," you live with those repurcussions constantly. Racism is embedded into the law in such a way that it affects you every day of your life, and you might not even realize it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So when you guys say "I don't think it's that racist," just note that when Kramer was really angry and riled up and thus probably not inhibited, he resorted to racial slurs. He said, "Shut up! 50 years ago we'd have you upside down with a [bleep]ing fork up your [wagon]! You can talk, you can talk, you can talk! You're brave now, [bleep]! Throw his [wagon] out, He's a [racist term]! A [racist term]! A [racist term]!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He implies that blacks have it so much better now than they did 50 years ago, and now they have to get cocky and "brave" and demand more. This is the same argument white supremacists used back during the civil rights movement, when they kept on pointing out how they should be grateful they weren't slaves anymore. They should be content with their lot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The fact that people can find saying these things acceptable just makes me... yeah. Unbelievably sad.

[antonwhy]

I'm a long time seinfeld fan, I was bitterly disappointed by his actions. Who know his erratic onscreen behaviour would transfer to reallife?

[speedofsound]

This is completely un-acceptable. he used to be one of my most favoured actor, but now...I don't know.

[garrettpoole]

i herd about the racism joke thing at school i think he was way out of line saying all that stuff, well thats just mt oppinion :)

[emrea]

ive gotta agree with ghost, i am not racist, i do not like people that are racist, but some things are said in insult and not ment as racial abuse

[Bubsa]

ive gotta agree with ghost, i am not racist, i do not like people that are racist, but some things are said in insult and not ment as racial abuse

 

 

 

So, what else is that N term used for?

[Bmw]

I agree completely mad. I can't believe all of you saying who cares, and someone even said it was funny. Wow. Can you say idiot?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, there are a lot more important things in the world than this, and yes, we hear the word quite often. Yes, black people use it all the time. I hate how you guys are all whining saying "who cares black people always say it". What's your point? That's not what this story is about. This Kramer guy is an idiot, a racist idiot at that. He can burn in hell for all I care, what a jerk :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The heckler's do that to everyone, and I'm sure they'd do it to other black comedians too. Kramer (or whatever the idiots real name is) has mental issues. Anger management perhaps. It's sad that he had to resort to racist comments to get back at the hecklers. His apology was garbage to me also :roll:

[cadburys_egg]

 

ive gotta agree with ghost, i am not racist, i do not like people that are racist, but some things are said in insult and not ment as racial abuse

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, what else is that N term used for?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's only socially acceptable if it's from a black person to a black person, so is that it?

[Guest GhostRanger]

 

ive gotta agree with ghost, i am not racist, i do not like people that are racist, but some things are said in insult and not ment as racial abuse

 

 

 

So, what else is that N term used for?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard someone on the radio put it like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"It's like when you're 9 years old on the playground and you get so mad at someone, you start calling then "four eyes" if they have glasses, "dumbo" if they have big ears, or "fatty" if they are fat. You're so mad that you're calling them mean names that are actually about them - but it doesn't mean you actually don't like people with glasses, big ears, or that are fat. The guy just went 9-year-old on us - and it's completely inexcusable - but not racist."

[mad4u689]

 

 

ive gotta agree with ghost, i am not racist, i do not like people that are racist, but some things are said in insult and not ment as racial abuse

 

 

 

So, what else is that N term used for?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard someone on the radio put it like this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"It's like when you're 9 years old on the playground and you get so mad at someone, you start calling then "four eyes" if they have glasses, "dumbo" if they have big ears, or "fatty" if they are fat. You're so mad that you're calling them mean names that are actually about them - but it doesn't mean you actually don't like people with glasses, big ears, or that are fat. The guy just went 9-year-old on us - and it's completely inexcusable - but not racist."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But you are reinforcing the idea that having glasses is worse than not having glasses, having big ears is worse than not having big ears, and being fat is worse than not being fat. These are all ideas that our society kind of takes for granted. It doesn't mean you hate all fat people, but you are still perpetuating a system in which fat people are seen as inferior in some specific way to non-fat people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Similarly, by insulting someone based on their skin color, you are not only discriminating against them because of their skin color, but also supporting a system in which black individuals are seen as worse, in some unspecified way, than white individuals. This IS racism.

[assassin_696]

I can see pretty much everyone's point of view here. I can see mad's view about how racism in society shouldn't be accepted at all etc, and yeah, what Kramer did wasn't exactly the smoothest thing to do but, I really do think people don't need to get so worked up about racism. When it's used as an insult, that's not cool, but I think joking about it shouldn't be such a big deal, because lord knows we need humour in our life.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying i'm for racism, far from it, but i don't think people should make such a big deal out of it when someone makes some racist remarks. As people have said, there really are bigger things out there to worry about and make a fuss of.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a word, chill. With racism you only get hurt if you take it entirely personally. Don't.

[Bubsa]

I appreciate what you're trying to say there. Just because it's racism it doesn't mean it's worse than any other discrimination, it should be treated the same, but it's still unjustified.

[Icingdeath]

You know, if some low-profile comic would have said the exact things that Michael Richards said, nobody would have said anything.

[BlueLancer]

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I don't understand this kind of prejudice you mentioned. It never made sense to me, unlike racism, because I could clearly see some people are ignorant because they learned it from their parents/environment and they think it's justified.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Making fun of people who are fat or have glasses or have some physical exception, etc. It's even less justified than any other form of discrimination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my mind I associate the people who make fun of those people being the same as those who torture small animals for fun and get a laugh out of it, power abusers, jerks, b**ches who talk behind peoples' backs... Human nature and lack of understanding sometimes makes no sense. :-k

[Guest GhostRanger]

But you are reinforcing the idea that having glasses is worse than not having glasses, having big ears is worse than not having big ears, and being fat is worse than not being fat. These are all ideas that our society kind of takes for granted. It doesn't mean you hate all fat people, but you are still perpetuating a system in which fat people are seen as inferior in some specific way to non-fat people.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Similarly, by insulting someone based on their skin color, you are not only discriminating against them because of their skin color, but also supporting a system in which black individuals are seen as worse, in some unspecified way, than white individuals. This IS racism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was made fun of for being ridiculously skinny, and there were plenty of kids made fun of for being fat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The point isn't to talk about something as "inferior," but to call someone something that will hurt them. My point is that it's just an insult used because it's hurtful - it says nothing about what someone actually thinks. And if it says nothing about what someone actually thinks, it doesn't mean that people actually think that black people are worse than white. Instead, it is just a good way to hurt someone's feelings which is the intent.

[Faux]

If black people really do get offended by the word, shouldn't they ban it altogether? Aren't they being racist by not allowing other races to use the word? :uhh:

[Abyssalwhip]

oh who cares

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not being a racist at all but blacks get way more offended than whites

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a black makes a white racist remark white doesent really care

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

a white makes a black racist remark and your hurt,beaten or killed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

once again this is true not being a racist :

[Ralvn]

The heckler deserved it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if you've seen the video...you wouldnt think he deserved it

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

here you go...be prepared

 

 

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hNlrOx6GCFA

[Nuhol]

Youre missing the first part where the 'victim' (heckler) starts calling Richards a cracker and a lame*** whiteboy. I dont know but it someone called me that I'd probably say something back, definetly not that severe though.