Do you smoke?

[assassin_696]

Nah i'd rather not get lung cancer thanks. Filthy habit.

[flipflop121]

gah i hate ppl who say it kills them, but yet u dont wear a hat wen your outside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

everything kills you these days i dont understand wat every1 is afraid of, there are bigger things out there we should b concentrating on rather then smoking, like obesity obesity will kill more people then smoking ever has

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

iv smoked for about a year n a half now and use it to relax, i dont no why people get annoyed, u h hate smokers but dont think about hopping into a car. look at statistics b4 u condem others

[dude_of_war4]

not meh because im 12!! :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i never will if you've ever seen the inside of the lungs of a smoker you'll puke

[assassin_696]

gah i hate ppl who say it kills them, but yet u dont wear a hat wen your outside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, because I hear there's been an increase in deaths due to lack of headware outdoors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

everything kills you these days i dont understand wat every1 is afraid of, there are bigger things out there we should b concentrating on rather then smoking, like obesity obesity will kill more people then smoking ever has

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but the difference between obesity and smoking is that we need to eat to live. Are you suggesting we stop eating? Thank god, we don't need to smoke to live. Obesity is a side effect of eating, and is sometimes genetic anyway. Smoking does nothing good for us biologically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

iv smoked for about a year n a half now and use it to relax, i dont no why people get annoyed, u h hate smokers but dont think about hopping into a car. look at statistics b4 u condem others

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you have to inhale smoke to relax? Cool man. Like I said, we need cars to get around, crashing one is a necessary and fairly rare risk. Why do we need cigarrettes? They have no health benefits at all, the effects people feel, like stress relief are all psychological. Cigarrettes are purely addictive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People get so annoyed because having to inhale someone else's smoke isn't particularly pleasant. Oh no wait, it's actually disgusting.

[tripsis]

gah i hate ppl who say it kills them, but yet u dont wear a hat wen your outside.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

everything kills you these days i dont understand wat every1 is afraid of, there are bigger things out there we should b concentrating on rather then smoking, like obesity obesity will kill more people then smoking ever has

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

iv smoked for about a year n a half now and use it to relax, i dont no why people get annoyed, u h hate smokers but dont think about hopping into a car. look at statistics b4 u condem others

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The world isn't all about statistics you know :P This isn't a "hate all or hate none" situation. I don't see how not wearing a hat outside has anything to do with killing you.. And I doubt that everyone who is against smoking on this thread is obese. And driving cars (I'm guessing you were referring to pollution?.. Or maybe car crashes) is a completely different matter than smoking. If it were completely up to me, I wouldn't drive at all. But my parents aren't going to let me walk to the restaurant where we're eating dinner, when it will take me like three hours. Not all of this is in our control. Or, if you were talking about car crashes, that's similar to second hand smoke. The people who smoke (drunk drivers, people who speed, etc.) are killing themselves, same with drunk drivers crashing into things and killing themselves. But they are also a harm to others because of their second hand smoke (drunk drivers crashing into other people and killing them). At least when I move out, I won't be driving a car at all, actually. Whereas with smoking, it's completely your decision to smoke or not. You're killing your own body each time you smoke a cigarette, you're inhaling hundreds (or thousands) of chemicals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You say that there are "bigger things out there" that we should worry about? Do you suggest that we just forget that smoking kills you and just start up? Well it still kills you whether you like it or not. Just because there are bigger issues out there doesn't mean we should just let the smaller ones go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And there are more down sides to smoking than just killing yourself (bad breath, clothes smell bad, bad teeth - in some cases, etc.). There are many down sides to smoking, and you don't have to hate every bad thing in the world, or nothing. You can hate some and like others. They're not all interrelated so it's not exactly hypocritical, the way I see it :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can understand how some people, like yourself, use cigarettes to relax, but that still doesn't mean it's a good thing. It can still give you cancer, it can still kill you, and it can still make your clothes and breath smell bad (lol). We are each entitled to our own opinions and I respect your choice to be a smoker. But I do not see how you can claim that all of us non-smokers are basically all being hypocritical.

[____]

I've had one ciagarette in my entire life. Although, I've smoked about a dozen joints; so whatever.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None of my friends smoke. A few used to but gave it the boot fairly easily.

[Howie101]

Well you have a greater chance of dying ice skating than smoking pot on John's couch according to that one commercial

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But really, you can die anywhere anytime, fate or not. You can believe what you want.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally am not really afraid of the future, what happens happens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Afterlife? not there yet, so I dont care

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smoking relieves stress if you get that nicotine high. I didnt used to be able to stand girls that smoked, but last time I walked into a party and I saw an attractive girl I liked, i had a rather large fatty in my mouth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But here is the only flaw, how can people say chewing is more disgusting, yes there are arguments on both sides, but apparently critical thinking needs to be applied.

[rocketman089]

But here is the only flaw, how can people say chewing is more disgusting, yes there are arguments on both sides, but apparently critical thinking needs to be applied.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's more disgusting because of all the nasty spitting chewers have to do. Plus no matter what they all end up looking like Randy Johnson :ohnoes:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[michiel2]

I don't smoke and I never will. My uncle smokes, my grandparents (father's side of my family) do, and some of my friends' parents do. I won't ever date a girl that smokes. It's just nasty..

 

 

 

Same here. I don't even want to be good friends with smokers.

[Jaakilju]

I dislike people who whate smokers, they whine about 2nd hand smoke, that's health concerns have been greatly exaggerated. And you can avoid it too if you really want to. Cars & other pollution do much more damage.

 

 

 

Smoking cigarettes relaxes you and so on, so it isn't "purely psychological". It's nicotine going to your brains.

 

 

 

I don't smoke but I don't condemn people that do. My parents + a lot of my relatives smoke. Of course I've tried smoking, but I don't like the effects that much so meh. A joint is a different thing with your friends sometimes.

 

 

 

It isn't good for your health, but meh, alot of things aren't too. And you do them. :ohnoes:

[issy2]

I don't but my uncle used to be a pack-a-day and an alchoholic. He's trying to quit and he's doing quite well - he got married a week or so ago and his wife is really helping him. I hope he succeeds!

[kelem_ryu]

What totally sickens me is the - what looks like a - witchhunt against smoking and smokers. The arguement with second hand smoking is pretty invalid considering all the air and noise pollution we face today. Sometimes it feels like somebody is saying: "Hey, we live in a perfect world, just those friggin' smokers are ruining it for everybody." I'm tolerant about what i consider irresponsible of other people too. So i expect some tolerance for my bad habits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What i also dislike is this stereotype: "smoking kills" as if dieing would be the worst thing that can happen. Even if you don't smoke you will die. No, it's not dieing and it isn't even about getting some painful disease like lung cancer. Smoking makes you less active, your can't breath that freely, yah, you'll smell smoky, food won't taste as good anymore, you'll look less fresh, you waste a ton of money, you are dependent on something, and so on. In other words your energy level decreases, due to smoking. You drain energy off your body and basically add crap. That that can lead to disease in the long run is no surprise, still the short term effects are considerable. Smoking decreases your life quality.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that smoking is just a outlet for more or the less subconscious self destructive tendencies/auto aggression. (At least that's what it is for me) So telling somebody to quit smoking is like telling somebody to stop cut himself.

[assassin_696]

nicotine high

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No such thing mate, nicotine doesn't give you a high.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

they whine about 2nd hand smoke, that's health concerns have been greatly exaggerated

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How many more do you want?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And you can avoid it too if you really want to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So tell me, when I go out with my friends and they want to go to a sheisha bar or go to someone's house and all smoke weed how do I avoid it then?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smoking cigarettes relaxes you and so on, so it isn't "purely psychological". It's nicotine going to your brains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, it is psychological. Nicotine is not prescribed to relax you or go to your brains. All it does is make you think it is going to relax you which therefore relaxes you. I'm not denying that it relaxes some people, but it is a psychological effect, and frankly I think if you have to inhale smoke to relax you need to find a new hobby.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't hate smokers, heck a lot of my family smokes, but I do hate the pretence that it's "not that bad for you" or "it's cool to smoke" that drives so many young kids to ruin their lives because of it.

[kelem_ryu]

 

 

 

they whine about 2nd hand smoke, that's health concerns have been greatly exaggerated

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's all the smoking. Air pollution has nothing to do with it at all... Oh damn i got run over by a (completely sober) car driver and lost a limb. I'm sure the insane traffic these days has nothing to do with that, but we can't help it: Cars are sacred.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smoking cigarettes relaxes you and so on, so it isn't "purely psychological". It's nicotine going to your brains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, it is psychological. Nicotine is not prescribed to relax you or go to your brains. All it does is make you think it is going to relax you which therefore relaxes you. I'm not denying that it relaxes some people, but it is a psychological effect, and frankly I think if you have to inhale smoke to relax you need to find a new hobby.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nicotine is an Alkaloid that causes considerable physical effects. (Like sever addiction) Let's look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aha, seems it isn't the nicotine alone:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In addition, nicotine increases dopamine levels in the reward circuits of the brain. Studies have shown that smoking tobacco inhibits monoamine oxidase (MAO), an enzyme responsible for breaking down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, in the brain. It is currently believed that nicotine by itself does not inhibit the production of monoamine oxidase (MAO), but that other ingredients in inhaled tobacco smoke are believed to be responsible for this activity. In this way, it generates feelings of pleasure, similar to that caused by cocaine and heroin, thus causing the addiction associated with the need to sustain high dopamine levels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do hate the pretence that it's "not that bad for you" or "it's cool to smoke" that drives so many young kids to ruin their lives because of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's psychological.

[kelem_ryu]

I'll exaggerate a bit (well maybe) to get my point across:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I jump off a building and people complain: "What a jerk! He might have hit somebody!"

[coltm4carbine]

Do you smoke? do your friends and family smoke?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope I don't smoke and I'll never will. Hate the smell and it's a waste of money.

 

 

 

Most of my friends smokes though.

[assassin_696]

 

 

 

 

they whine about 2nd hand smoke, that's health concerns have been greatly exaggerated

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,400 lung cancer deaths and 22,700-69,600 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's all the smoking. Air pollution has nothing to do with it at all... Oh damn i got run over by a (completely sober) car driver and lost a limb. I'm sure the insane traffic these days has nothing to do with that, but we can't help it: Cars are sacred.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, we use cars to get around and aid us in our day to day lives. Being run over is a necessary risk/side effect of a transport system that isn't perfect due to it's use, not it's nature. Car's aren't designed to give people cancer or give out smoke. A perfect travel system would be safe and produce zero emissions. A perfect cigarrette would still be addictive and produce smoke.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Smoking cigarettes relaxes you and so on, so it isn't "purely psychological". It's nicotine going to your brains.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, it is psychological. Nicotine is not prescribed to relax you or go to your brains. All it does is make you think it is going to relax you which therefore relaxes you. I'm not denying that it relaxes some people, but it is a psychological effect, and frankly I think if you have to inhale smoke to relax you need to find a new hobby.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nicotine is an Alkaloid that causes considerable physical effects. (Like sever addiction) Let's look it up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aha, seems it isn't the nicotine alone:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Taken from that wikipedia page:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, in a few situations, smoking has been observed to apparently be of therapeutic value to patients. These are often referred to as "SmokerÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Paradoxes". Although in most cases the actual mechanism is understood only poorly or not at all, it is generally believed that the principal beneficial action is due to the nicotine administered, and that administration of nicotine without smoking may be as beneficial as smoking, without the high risk to health.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know as well as I do that wikipedia isn't perfect.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In addition, nicotine increases dopamine levels in the reward circuits of the brain. Studies have shown that smoking tobacco inhibits monoamine oxidase (MAO), an enzyme responsible for breaking down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, in the brain. It is currently believed that nicotine by itself does not inhibit the production of monoamine oxidase (MAO), but that other ingredients in inhaled tobacco smoke are believed to be responsible for this activity. In this way, it generates feelings of pleasure, similar to that caused by cocaine and heroin, thus causing the addiction associated with the need to sustain high dopamine levels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fair enough, I stand corrected. Nicotine does give small pleasure levels similar to weed or heroin. However, nicotine primarily is addictive. The small biological pleasure levels achieved are generally outweighed by the psychological pleasure levels achieved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm sure smoking has some benefits to some people. However, the negatives easily outweigh the positives, by far. You seem to be defending smoking and passive smoking by saying that cars and other forms of pollution also cause pollution. But which is more essential to us as human beings?

[Anesthesia]

He isn't defending smoking, he is trying to staunch the flow of misinformation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The same as how, on weed related topics, I might seem like I am defending weed whereas I am just trying to disseminate the false anti-weed propaganda.

[Pete_the_Viscous]

I have been known to smoke a pipe occasionally. I've also had two drags of a cigarette, which is something I shan't do again. I don't make a habit of smoking, partly because it's bad for the body, but mainly because it's expensive and I don't find it nice enough to do it more than once in a blue moon.

[chickenkore]

yeah i agree with you i think girls smoking is just a turnoff.

 

 

 

lol i smoked once when i was like 6 and i can remember choking....looking back on that was enough to tell me not to smoke these days. + i don't want to be inhailing like 40,000 chemicals

[Anesthesia]

I have been known to smoke a pipe occasionally.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I tried said pipe I said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Hmm, not as nice as a cigar... wait, let me rephrase that - 'a cigar isn't as horrible as this.'"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In my lifetime I'd estimate I have smoked:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 pipe

 

 

 

2 cigars

 

 

 

0.05 cigarettes

 

 

 

10 joints

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will occasionally smoke a cigar on special occasions, but I'll brush my teeth twice afterwards to get rid of the lingering taste of smoking. The joints were all smoked whilst I was trying to decide whether I liked it or not - I decided I don't.

[assassin_696]

He isn't defending smoking, he is trying to staunch the flow of misinformation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He smokes 50 a day but isn't defending smoking?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kelem my fundamental question to you, to get to the crux of the matter would be this. Would you allow and/or encourage your children to smoke?

[Jaakilju]

yeah i agree with you i think girls smoking is just a turnoff.

 

 

 

lol i smoked once when i was like 6 and i can remember choking....looking back on that was enough to tell me not to smoke these days. + i don't want to be inhailing like 40,000 chemicals

 

 

 

First, cigarettes have like 4000 thousand chemicals. (That's what my heatlth education book tells me)

 

 

 

And secondly, that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING! WHEE! :mrgreen:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your average hamburger with fries has the same amount.. Or a steak or something. The amount of chemicals has nothing to do with anything. Christ. Try thinking for yourself for once.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if someone's ignorant enough to claim nicotine has no effect on you, he isn't worth listening to in this kind of conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ps. This might seem like I'm defending smoking, but I'm not, I don't smoke. I'm also not trying to flame anyone, even if it might look like that. :

[flipflop121]

 

 

 

Yes, because I hear there's been an increase in deaths due to lack of headware outdoors.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

called skin cancer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, but the difference between obesity and smoking is that we need to eat to live. Are you suggesting we stop eating? Thank god, we don't need to smoke to live. Obesity is a side effect of eating, and is sometimes genetic anyway. Smoking does nothing good for us biologically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we may need to eat but do we need to eat so that we are unhealthy, smoking may not be healthy (hell its far from it dont get me wrong) but by the same token most of the stuff ppl jam dam there mouths isnt either, ever seen wat a big mac has in it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you have to inhale smoke to relax? Cool man. Like I said, we need cars to get around, crashing one is a necessary and fairly rare risk. Why do we need cigarrettes? They have no health benefits at all, the effects people feel, like stress relief are all psychological. Cigarrettes are purely addictive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

umm, actually id say you hvae a much higher risk of dieing in a car. I became addicted to smoking because my parents smoked, but i cant blame them, because of the addicting chemicals in the cigarrettes smoking them does actually calm your neuron cells in your brain making you relax.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

we dont need cigarrettes we actually dont need a lot of things, think about all the stuff surrounding you, do you need it? properbly not

[kelem_ryu]

 

He isn't defending smoking, he is trying to staunch the flow of misinformation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He smokes 50 a day but isn't defending smoking?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kelem my fundamental question to you, to get to the crux of the matter would be this. Would you allow and/or encourage your children to smoke?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not the one who is likely to forbid anything, but i defintely wouldn't encourage them. You should have figured that out by reading my posts. My opinion on smoking (in non ritualized form) is that it is an expression of self destruction and as such shouldn't be frowned upon, but encountered with sympathy (don't know if that is the exact right word in english. According to the dictionary i mean sympathy instead of compassion. Sometimes the dictionary doesn't get the connotations right though.) So knowing my children to smoke would make me worry deeply.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

thank you Anasthesia btw.