Rule 15 - Advert Blocking O_O

[no_username4]

D V Devnull:

 

 

 

A. Jagex saying they are not liable for damages means that even if they do cause damages, they can not be blamed, or attacked for retribution. It is not saying they WON'T cause damages.

 

 

 

B. They're not going to cause harm. Jagex has a more or less legitamite ad company. You'll get tracking cookies at the worst.

 

 

 

C. In the case of kids under 13, they're already breaking a rule(a very serious one). As for those over 13 whose parents say they can't unblock RS ads, yes, they shouldn't play. If they are unable to abide by the rules, they should not play. It should be noted that the amount of f2pers OVER 13 and under 18 whose parents fully comprehend adverts and their blocks yet have not quite enough understanding to let the kids unblock on runescape.com is very low.

 

 

 

Jagex has every legal right to require viewing of ads.(you don't actually have to view them, you just have to not use an ad blocker.

[Shaddd]

The only way you can really get banned for this, is if you admit to blocking them in-game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pretty much... Illegal clients ftw? :roll:

[D. V. Devnull]

Jagex saying they are not liable for damages means that even if they do cause damages, they can not be blamed, or attacked for retribution. It is not saying they WON'T cause damages.

 

 

 

Re-read Jagex's "Terms+Conditions" page again and shut up. Your attempt to attack me broke down before you went with your "point A".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and BTW, something that both Jagex and Advert Providers fail to realize is this: THE COMPUTER BELONGS TO THE USER OR THEIR FRIEND OR THEIR PARENTS OR THE INTERNET ENABLED ACCESS POINT THEY HAPPEN TO BE USING. JAGEX CAN'T SAY WHAT A PERSON WILL OR WILL NOT DO WITH THAT PERSON'S PC, PERIOD.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, leave me and this thread be. I've had it with jerks who support Advert Providers (Read "scumbags" in place of "Advert Providers" to get my opinion of them.) for the rest of this year and all of next. "Advert Providers" need to learn when they have gone too far. The only way they are going to learn that is if the users remind them of their place. People have had more than enough of losing precious CPU cycles to over-bloated flash adverts that don't need to exist, which in many cases also infect a person's PC with malicious malware/spyware/adware/keyloggers, as well as steal all control of the PC a person is using at the time... I've been personally affected by these kinds of adverts, and let's just say losing all control of the whole of Windows/Other OS was anything but fun, to say the least. The moment I was forced to kill the Adverts (especially in part due to house rules), my eyes were opened to what exactly is being done by those nasty jerks who are running their advert servers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, excuse me while I take a break from the likes of you, no_username4...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Shaddd: I hate Illegal Clients, especially with the chance of losing your pass and account and pin to some 3rd party. Don't get me started with that one. =;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[Kilo]

I don't even block the ads they put up, I resize my internet screen and place the game screen in the middle of the resized box, scroll down and wow I don't have to look at those laggy ads! 8-)

[D. V. Devnull]

I don't even block the ads they put up, I resize my internet screen and place the game screen in the middle of the resized box, scroll down and wow I don't have to look at those laggy ads! 8-)

 

 

 

I discovered on this 2.0 GHz system I'm on, even that doesn't help. The adverts actually still manage to ruin my Java Stack, Main RAM, and the usability of this PC. Quite a lot of people have this problem, BTW, and it is not limited to just me. :(

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the thought. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[no_username4]

Oh, and BTW, something that both Jagex and Advert Providers fail to realize is this: THE COMPUTER BELONGS TO THE USER OR THEIR FRIEND OR THEIR PARENTS OR THE INTERNET ENABLED ACCESS POINT THEY HAPPEN TO BE USING. JAGEX CAN'T SAY WHAT A PERSON WILL OR WILL NOT DO WITH THAT PERSON'S PC, PERIOD.

 

 

 

In an idealistic sense, true. But in a legal sense, they can require the viewing of ads to play the game.

 

 

 

What you're saying is almost like(best analogy I can think of) a stunt man signing a contract to perform a life threatening stunt, then not doing it and demanding the money because it's "his body". The stuntman was the one who agreed to this in the first place.

 

 

 

People have had more than enough of losing precious CPU cycles to over-bloated flash adverts that don't need to exist, which in many cases also infect a person's PC with malicious malware/spyware/adware/keyloggers, as well as steal all control of the PC a person is using at the time... I've been personally affected by these kinds of adverts, and let's just say losing all control of the whole of Windows/Other OS was anything but fun, to say the least.

 

 

 

You are the one who is blind. Not all adverts have these things. The majority don't. Unless you're going to... less reputable sites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In conclusion: I'm not saying I like ads, I don't, but it is Jagex's right to require such things if they so desire. It is our right not to play the game if we don't like them. Or you can break the rules and block the ads, essentially ripping off Jagex and breaking the law.

 

 

 

Now, excuse me while I take a break from the likes of you, no_username4...

 

 

 

read: I think I gave you enough personal insults so that you won't come back. Just incase you do come back and counter my arguments, I'm making it clear that I am the actual winner here.

 

 

 

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[Joordaan]

I don't get any ads and I'm F2P, but I don't know how to block them soo...

 

 

 

I'm not really breaking the rule? :-k \

[abgar]

I don't get any ads and I'm F2P, but I don't know how to block them soo...

 

 

 

I'm not really breaking the rule? :-k \

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont get adds either I only see a black area with a question mark in the corner, i dont know why i cant see it but im not breaking the rule either :)

[Randox]

Aparently no one noticed what i said. The rule says please not...

 

 

 

technicly I dont think that would stand up as a concrete rule in court. I'd call it an informal rule which I have no problem abiding by. It dosent slow me down one bit except sometimes for a second when an ad has trouble loading.

[D. V. Devnull]

@no_username4: You have basically dodged what I was pointing at, so here's a quote from RuneScape.com .........

 

 

 

OUR LIABILITY / YOUR INDEMNITY

 

 

 

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TO THE EXTENT ALLOWED BY APPLICABLE LAW, WE SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUING NEGLIGENCE), STATUTORY DUTY OR COLLATERALLY OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THIS WEBSITE FOR CONSEQUENTIAL, INDIRECT OR SPECIAL LOSS OR DAMAGE OR ANY ECONOMIC LOSSES (INCLUDING LOSS OF REVENUES, PROFITS, CONTRACTS, BUSINESS OR ANTICIPATED SAVINGS) OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES OR LOSS OF DATA, IN EACH CASE, EVEN IF WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSS OR DAMAGE AND HOWSOEVER INCURRED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OUR MAXIMUM LIABILITY TO YOU IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE), STATUTORY DUTY OR COLLATERALLY OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THIS WEBSITE SHALL BE LIMITED TO ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã50, OR THE SUMS PAID BY YOU TO US IN RESPECT OF ANY TWELVE MONTH PERIOD, WHICHEVER IS GREATER.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

ALL CLAIMS MUST BE SUBMITTED IN WRITING AND BROUGHT WITHIN THREE MONTHS OF THEIR OCCURRENCE OR WAIVED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

YOU HEREBY AGREE TO INDEMNIFY JAGEX AND HOLD US HARMLESS FROM AND AGAINST ALL THIRD PARTY LIABILITIES, CLAIMS, LOSSES, DAMAGES, OR COSTS ARISING FROM YOUR BREACH OF THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS INCLUDING REASONABLE LAWYERS' FEES AND COSTS.

 

 

 

After reading this, do you still think "Rule 15" is valid? If you do, you need both a psychologist and a lawyer to check your brain. :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A little hint, the fight just ended... Those who don't like "Rule 15" just won. Jagex (or anyone else for that matter) can not force adverts on someone and not be responsible for what happens. :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[no_username4]

You seem to have a great misunderstanding of what that quote of yours is saying. Here's what stuck out to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

TO THE EXTENT ALLOWED BY APPLICABLE LAW, WE SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUING NEGLIGENCE), STATUTORY DUTY OR COLLATERALLY OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THIS WEBSITE FOR CONSEQUENTIAL, INDIRECT OR SPECIAL LOSS OR DAMAGE OR ANY ECONOMIC LOSSES (INCLUDING LOSS OF REVENUES, PROFITS, CONTRACTS, BUSINESS OR ANTICIPATED SAVINGS) OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES OR LOSS OF DATA, IN EACH CASE, EVEN IF WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSS OR DAMAGE AND HOWSOEVER INCURRED.

 

 

 

What that's saing is that Jagex is not responsible for damages caused by their negligence(including loss of data and economic losses). You agreed to this when you started playing runescape.

 

 

 

Furthermore, I stand by my argument that any tracking cookies implanted on your computer by these ads are relatively harmless.

[D. V. Devnull]

You seem to have a great misunderstanding of what that quote of yours is saying. Here's what stuck out to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

TO THE EXTENT ALLOWED BY APPLICABLE LAW, WE SHALL NOT BE LIABLE IN CONTRACT, TORT (INCLUING NEGLIGENCE), STATUTORY DUTY OR COLLATERALLY OR OTHERWISE ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS OR THIS WEBSITE FOR CONSEQUENTIAL, INDIRECT OR SPECIAL LOSS OR DAMAGE OR ANY ECONOMIC LOSSES (INCLUDING LOSS OF REVENUES, PROFITS, CONTRACTS, BUSINESS OR ANTICIPATED SAVINGS) OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES OR LOSS OF DATA, IN EACH CASE, EVEN IF WE HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSS OR DAMAGE AND HOWSOEVER INCURRED.

 

 

 

What that's saing is that Jagex is not responsible for damages caused by their negligence(including loss of data and economic losses). You agreed to this when you started playing runescape.

 

 

 

Furthermore, I stand by my argument that any tracking cookies implanted on your computer by these ads are relatively harmless.

 

 

 

Apparently, you missed the impact of that part too. Jagex effectively agreed to the same when they started showing the adverts of advert companies, and as such, responsibility therefore falls right back upon Jagex to not let your PC come to harm. Further, they never had a right to harm your PC in the first place, no matter what you agreed to, because of the constant and unwritten-but-existing agreement: "The PC used belongs to and is owned/operated by the user/parents/company. No harm is allowed to come to it in any way, shape, or form." Understand this well, before you find trouble befalling you. I've had to teach this rule to many, and it wasn't fun each time I had to.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, do you really want some third-party advert corporation tracking everything you're doing on the net? Especially when they could get hacked and could lose their data on you to a hacker/cracker? Or worse, end up with all their adverts infected and the next time you load an advert, you get infected too? I seriously don't think so, on all three of those questions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, please quit giving people a headache.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[no_username4]

Further, they never had a right to harm your PC in the first place, no matter what you agreed to, because of the constant and unwritten-but-existing agreement: "The PC used belongs to and is owned/operated by the user/parents/company. No harm is allowed to come to it in any way, shape, or form." Understand this well, before you find trouble befalling you. I've had to teach this rule to many, and it wasn't fun each time I had to.

 

 

 

Ofcourse they don't. They only deny liability(I suggest you look up the meaning of the word) in the event of such an occurence. You've probably been to places(like a ski resort or something) where they require you to sign medical release forms. This is like that, but for your pc. The ski resort(just an example) doesn't have a right to harm you, but if harm should befall you due to their negligence, they are not responsible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, do you really want some third-party advert corporation tracking everything you're doing on the net?

 

 

 

No, that's why I clear my cookies quite often.

 

 

 

Especially when they could get hacked and could lose their data on you to a hacker/cracker?

 

 

 

What are they gonna do with it?

 

 

 

Or worse, end up with all their adverts infected and the next time you load an advert, you get infected too?

 

 

 

Comeon, the likelihood of that happening is roughly the same as RS being infected and every time you play runescape you get infected. Comeon, they major companies have tougher servers than thatm, and the time it takes to effectively initiate such a virus attack would be enough time for the company to take care of it. Plus, if you have a firewall(and I'm sure you do) the program could not initiate if you do not give it permission.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, please quit giving people a headache.

 

 

 

I don't really think many people are reading this, but if they are, I should say the same to you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

By the way, however this ends, you should know I don't take arguments like this personally, atleast not outside this thread.

[mario_sunny]

Well, They can't really detect if I see the ad or not. And yea, I got a little suprised that there was a new rule.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It isn't new, its been there for a while. Jagex simply does not want free players blocking the ads because whenever someone clicks on an ad jagex gets paid money by the company that runs that ad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Members rock :XD:

[Screech1992]

JaGeX gets paid for every click on an ad, but the people who block them probably never click them anyway, so it's pretty useless not to block it.

 

 

 

EDIT: pardon me, didn't see the topic was closed #-o

[no_username4]

Most companies also give a pay per impression. A little money just for viewing the ad. I'm not sure but I think the ad may have some way of knowing wether the ad is being played. Maybe, but why else would Jagex want you to look at it? Unless they were payed(or forced) to make this rule.

[D. V. Devnull]

Maybe, but why else would Jagex want you to look at it? Unless they were payed(or forced) to make this rule.

 

 

 

I fear that is likely what happened. :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[youhave1236]

hmmm...woops :ohnoes: :ohnoes: :P I have ad-blocker, I should delete it now...maybe :boohoo:

[Legend_Gaara]

This is quite old news; and many people's antivirus automatically blocks out banner ads.

[D. V. Devnull]

This is quite old news; and many people's antivirus automatically blocks out banner ads.

 

 

 

Which means because it is built into the AntiVirus that trying to stop blocking the advert automatically would result in the ultimate destruction of the computer and the loss of a person's stuff that they paid good money to have in the first place. No sane person will do that. Shame on Jagex (as well as the advert providers) for trying to hurt all the computer newbies. :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[spikerkid]

Lol, who couldn't love those ads. Shooting turkeys or kicking soccer balls, So much fun. \ :XD:

[D. V. Devnull]

erkid"]Lol, who couldn't love those ads. Shooting turkeys or kicking soccer balls, So much fun. \ :XD:

 

 

 

I'm betting that's sarcastic, right? :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[no_username4]

 

This is quite old news; and many people's antivirus automatically blocks out banner ads.

 

 

 

Which means because it is built into the AntiVirus that trying to stop blocking the advert automatically would result in the ultimate destruction of the computer and the loss of a person's stuff that they paid good money to have in the first place. No sane person will do that. Shame on Jagex (as well as the advert providers) for trying to hurt all the computer newbies. :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

 

 

 

It is possible to disable that function.

[D. V. Devnull]

 

 

This is quite old news; and many people's antivirus automatically blocks out banner ads.

 

 

 

Which means because it is built into the AntiVirus that trying to stop blocking the advert automatically would result in the ultimate destruction of the computer and the loss of a person's stuff that they paid good money to have in the first place. No sane person will do that. Shame on Jagex (as well as the advert providers) for trying to hurt all the computer newbies. :shame:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

 

 

 

It is possible to disable that function.

 

 

 

And lose part of the AntiVirus Program's functionality. :(

 

 

 

Worse, some AV Companies won't support you properly if you leave out any background feature of the AV program (and I don't just mean banner ad blocking, I mean ANY feature). I and others in my family personally encountered this problem with Symantec's support group. Thankfully, we found NOD32 AV and have stood by it since. It is better than Symantec's Norton (as well as McAfee AV, AVG, Kaspersky, and many others) by a serious longshot. 8-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[poiuytreza2]

Maybe if they change the ads a little, there would be less problem. For example: dark coloured ads without all the flashing you madly would fit more in the theme and people wouldnt mind them that much.

 

 

 

Also, text ads like those of google are GREAT.

 

 

 

I praise google for the introduction of low-memory text ads.