Will H Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I think there is definately a limit the the highest skyscraper, due to the hardness of the earth (Even if you made incredibly hard foundations, the earth below it would just sink). Although, i dont think that we have actually reached that limit yet... :-w :-$ :-k :-s :-w ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despaxes Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 When...? That's what happened at the Taipei 101, except in Mandarin. :P (Maybe the floors at the John Hancock Center are shorter than at the 101.) Well, there's no doubt that Taipei 101 is much taller. Anyways, Issy made me think of something. Would your ears pop if you took the stairs, because of the more gradual air pressure change? Yes, if you change altitudes your ears will pop, i dont see why this is such a huge deal? Its not painful, it doesnt take much time , and spending 5 minutes to go to the top of a building that tall wouldnt be that bad. thanks everyone for the sigs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tbfgraphx14 Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Keep nature in mind, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunami's volcanoes, all places have their natural disasters there really isn't a way around them. Yes, those infamous Chicago hurricanes really pack a punch. :wink: [lmao]. :lol: :lol: :lol: A volcano could strike any time in Chicago :uhh: I think this is more of a "What if" Also, The building is so huge a Jet could not complety destroy it no? And about the jetsream, yea that is a major factor. Tbfgraphx14Happy to find I'm not the only one who eats glass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonking Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Keep nature in mind, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, tsunami's volcanoes, all places have their natural disasters there really isn't a way around them. Yes, those infamous Chicago hurricanes really pack a punch. :wink: [lmao]. :lol: :lol: :lol: A volcano could strike any time in Chicago :uhh: I think this is more of a "What if" Also, The building is so huge a Jet could not complety destroy it no? And about the jetsream, yea that is a major factor. Keep the World trade center in mind, planes hit both buildings and they went crumbling down, except with something this big, the effects of the collapse would probably be felt throughout the state and pretty much destroy all that surrounds it. ~^v^~Ex-Leader of the Divine Flames of Redemption~^v^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 Keep the World trade center in mind, planes hit both buildings and they went crumbling down, except with something this big, the effects of the collapse would probably be felt throughout the state and pretty much destroy all that surrounds it. That was the result of huge gas fires and poorly fire protected walls. The steel guerters between the floors over time began to melt under the extreme heat, and the upper half of the building fell on the lower half causing it to collapse. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonking Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Still, if a plane flew into it, it would do major damage to it, and being at a high altitude, the damage would be nearly impossible to completly fix. ~^v^~Ex-Leader of the Divine Flames of Redemption~^v^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 Still, if a plane flew into it, it would do major damage to it, and being at a high altitude, the damage would be nearly impossible to completly fix. Not really, consider the width, and the design. The major stress is at the center and around the exterior shell at certain points. So hurting a few floors of the cone shell wouldn't do much because the stress becomes less as the building goes up, because the mass of the building decreases as you go up. Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 think there is definately a limit the the highest skyscraper, due to the hardness of the earth I know that theres a limit to how tall a mountain can be on earth (or any planet for that matter) due to gravity i.e. the higher the gravity of the planet, the lower the max height a mountain can be. I think... :-w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapical Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Wow, so much negativity. I'll address a few points: Your ears would pop! - Two replies "so what?" and "not if you equalize". The 'so what' reply is simple, ear popping isn't painful and perfectly natural; thats why it happens, your body intentially fixes the pressure for you. But if you don't like the feeling, equalize the pressure yourself. Funny thing really, I literally just finished my PADI Scuba Diver registration course, and a good chuck of it deal with pressure. There are two ways to equal pressure in your ears intentially. 1 - Pinch your nose and try to blow out of it until you feel it in both ears. 2 - Swallow while wiggling your jaw side to side. This second one is harder to explain but you should feel/hear a weird sound in your ears, this is your pathway opening up and allowing air to leave/enter your inner ear. Do one/both of these in the elevator and you'll be fine. You can go up to 35,000 feet without trouble in an unpressurized craft by doing the above. Terrorists - The building is wider then the Sears Tower. It would take a nuke to topple the thing. Wind - Whats with all the jet stream talk guys? I may be wrong about this but isn't the Jet stream in the tropopause? You know, at like 28,000 feet? We're under 10,000 here. :| Granted, building it would suck with winds as fast as they are up there, but once its built the cone shape of the thing would help with the wind quite a bit. You could also fine a city that doesn't have as many high altitude winds. Building Materials/cost - Steal wouldn't work. Titanium might, but thats $100 a pound if you buy it in bulk... The WTC used 200,000 tons of steel. Thats 400,000,000 pounds. Now how much bigger is this building of yours? Using photoshop I determined that the WTC has ~936 pixels and your cone has 75,000. So your building is ~80x as big. 80 x 400,000,000 pounds = 32 billions pounds of Titanium... over twice the world's entire output -.- I don't even know if Titanium I-Beams are strong enough for that weight. And you certainly can't use concrete as a base foundation in the basement, it would turn to power under that weight. Hmm, well the future will hopefully hold some advances to all that. Other Problems - Find a crane that can build this thing. As it is only like 3 cranes were ever made for buildings over 90 stories tall. They break them down and ship them were needed and only half a dozen people are trained to use them and they travel with the cranes. - Pumping water to the top floor wouldn't be fun, I'll tell you that. Oh and once its built could you imagine the property tax on that thing? What is it in cities, 9% of the building's value! : In conclusions, hmm what if you built it as a diamond... 500 floors above grond, 500 floors underground... :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Building Materials/cost - Steal wouldn't work. Titanium might, but thats $100 a pound if you buy it in bulk... The WTC used 200,000 tons of steel. Thats 400,000,000 pounds. Now how much bigger is this building of yours? Using photoshop I determined that the WTC has ~936 pixels and your cone has 75,000. So your building is ~80x as big. 80 x 400,000,000 pounds = 32 billions pounds of Titanium... over twice the world's entire output -.- I don't even know if Titanium I-Beams are strong enough for that weight. And you certainly can't use concrete as a base foundation in the basement, it would turn to power under that weight. Hmm, well the future will hopefully hold some advances to all that. You could use super nylon... all I know about it is that it's a very tight thin thread of nylon and titanium. It probably wouldn't be strong enough, but it's just an idea, because you could use less titanium and therefore cut the cost down alot. (super nylon's also really light AS FAR AS I KNOW i'm going by what Alex said in Stormbreaker... so probably not that accurate? ) 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumonde Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 To make this even remotely plausible at the current time you would at least have to make it half as high and wide, so try that and then well do some calculations for wind speed and stuff to check to make sure! Stat Progress | Stat Averages | Stat Records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randox Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 you could pressurise the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackjonson Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 well after reading all 3 pages(yes i read every post) i wont be able to add much input other than this: check out the proposed pyramid in japan, its something like a mile high to be built off the coast, really interesting topic and might give you some ideas to change up your plan a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 well after reading all 3 pages(yes i read every post) i wont be able to add much input other than this: check out the proposed pyramid in japan, its something like a mile high to be built off the coast, really interesting topic and might give you some ideas to change up your plan a bit Geez, the X-seed 4000 is 800 stories high (apparently that's 13,000 feet), that's taller than even my building. :shock: Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumonde Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 There are allot of building plans out there for buildings taller than yours like, X-Seed 4000 Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid Sky City 1000 The Illinois Aeropolis 2001 Stat Progress | Stat Averages | Stat Records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurinEthir Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 There are allot of building plans out there for buildings taller than yours like, X-Seed 4000 Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid Sky City 1000 The Illinois Aeropolis 2001 :shock: Japanese people like tall buildings. Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Despaxes Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 There are allot of building plans out there for buildings taller than yours like, X-Seed 4000 Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid Sky City 1000 The Illinois Aeropolis 2001 :shock: Japanese people like tall buildings. Its to make up for other stuff thanks everyone for the sigs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beaumonde Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 There are allot of building plans out there for buildings taller than yours like, X-Seed 4000 Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid Sky City 1000 The Illinois Aeropolis 2001 :shock: Japanese people like tall buildings. Its to make up for other stuff LOL :lol: And W00T 101 posts by me! Stat Progress | Stat Averages | Stat Records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oy_the_Great Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I can think of 5 problems with such a tall building: 1/ weight: unless you manage to build a giant carrier platform underneath the structure, it would sink into the ground. So you'll need something like this: ___|||___ ___|||___ ___|||___ ___|||___ ___|||___ ___|||___ ___|||___ ___|||___ -----|||---- ======= With ||| being the building, --------- the ground, ==== the platoform. 2/ winds: the winds blow at a tremendous speed high above the ground. If you're standing on top of what we now call a tall building, you already notice a huge difference. The winds at an altitude of 10,000 ft blow up to 150 mph, so you would want a building that can somehow cope with that. But I doubt these balancing perils will be a major problem. The Japanese can easily help you with that :) 3/ Materials: Trapical is right, but it's worse. Your building is not just 80 times bigger as the WTC, the pixels Trap used are only the surface of one side of the building. The total volume would be 715 times as much, if the pixel stuff Trap mentionned is correct. That will make it impossible to even consider such a construction. Not to mention the humongous costs. 4/ Also, what Trap said, and much more of a hinder than wind, earthquakes etc, which would not really harm a giant like that, is the machinery we now possess. There's no way this could be done with current building equipment. 5/ And last but not least: maintenance. Buildings only last so long. Every single material has a durability. Steel for example gets weary after a couple of decades and it also has a lot of side-effects: oxidation, corrosion, ... Solutions might be using different, but very expensive types of steel, such as Chromium based steel. There would be no need for Titanium then. But steel and other metals also get weary and there is nothing you can do about that: they lose their ability to support due to the constant pressure and temperature changes. The there's concrete: at least as many problems occur there. So maintenance of this building would be impossible: it would have to be either a building where all parts can somehow be replaced every now and then, or it can never exist. Bill Hicks[/url]":dhj2kan9]Since the one thing we can say about fundamental matter is, that it is vibrating. And since all vibrations are theoretically sound, then it is not unreasonable to suggest that the universe is music and should be perceived as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death_By_Pod Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 There is no reason in most parts of the world to build tall buildings; there is plenty of space to expand outwards. There is no point making it more of a engineering challenge then needs be. Besides how would you have enough room in the tower for elevators, water, sewerage, counter balances, dampeners and fire stairs; the higher the tower, the more you need of the above to service the higher floors. There is nothing stopping you from creating concepts, however the concepts themselves are infeasible to construct due to weak materials, amenities and practicality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Al Burj - Dubai Burj Dubai - Dubai Dubai is crazy. The first one is proposed but the second one is currently under construction. I'm definately going to Dubai one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trapical Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Yea, Dubai likes spending its oil money of ludicrous buildings. Well hey, power to them, better then using it to buy weapons and nuclear materials right? Kind of old news, but still hilarious how they built this hotel, that is rated seven stars out of a possible five. Lol, they didn't even say 6 stars our of 5, no they went all the way to seven. Take that Hilton. http://www.funlol.com/funpages/seven-star-hotel.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurinEthir Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Al Burj - Dubai Burj Dubai - Dubai Dubai is crazy. The first one is proposed but the second one is currently under construction. I'm definately going to Dubai one day. People from Dubai like tall buildings too. :shock: (Isn't there that awesome hotel there too...?) Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadburys_egg Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Al Burj - Dubai Burj Dubai - Dubai Dubai is crazy. The first one is proposed but the second one is currently under construction. I'm definately going to Dubai one day. People from Dubai like tall buildings too. :shock: (Isn't there that awesome hotel there too...?) Yeah, Tiger Woods drove a golf ball off of the top of it. Can't remember it's name though. I'd love to do something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktorkrum77 Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 Yeah, Tiger Woods drove a golf ball off of the top of it. Can't remember it's name though. I'd love to do something like that. Burj Al-Arab. Trapical had a link to it in his post. :wink: Me doing staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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