lawrencekill Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I got this from According to Jim. An ethical issue about it I thought was interesting. Well here's the situation, you have a hamster(or some kind of rodent, I forgot), that has an eraser stuck in his/her intestines and is slowly killing it. The operation costs $2100 and the price you bought the hamster for is $8. I want to know what you would do in this situation, on one hand, life is invaluable, on the other, well it depends what situation you choose: Tax is excluded from the following situations. Parent: 70% of what you get from your job goes directly to basic needs, food, water, shelter, clothing, etc. and supporting your family. 10% of your salary goes into luxuries, things you don't need for life. 20% goes into your retirement savings and your children college funds. The money to save your pet is what you make in 2 months, without applying anything, that means nothing is deducted from this. For example, if you decide to cut all luxuries, it would take you 20 months to pay it back w/o interest. Interest will be at a rate of 5%(easy to calculate). Child/Teenager: YouÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢re allowance is meager. It will take 2+ years of savings, working at 4 hours a day to save the hamster. (No interest will be charged because parents will pay for it then deduct it out of your allowance.) You could also tap into your college fund to save your pet, but such an action will have serious consequences. Out of these (I might make more if you have more options on what to make), I would like to know if youÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ll save the hamster and why. If you donÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t save em explain why. If you do where would you get the savings from (there is no buying cheaper products options or such), how you plan to replace it, and why it was worth it to save the hamster. Oh and I conviently forgot to mention that the hamster has an estimated 5 more years to live, based on statistics of an average hamster life expentacy. New post about something else. Say you have 1 million bucks. You receive three letters/e-mails(w/e you want to call them). You read about these three people and how they need your money for something relating to life. Don't mind the he's where I should've put he/she. Case one- There's a middle aged man/woman, 27, with a wife, and three kids to feed, who's dying from (fill in). He needs an operation that has 80% to suceed and if it does he'll have 2 more years to live. Case two- There's an eldery man/woman, 73, who's dying from (fill in). He needs an operation that has a 84% chance to suceed and if it does he'll have 3 years to live. Case three- A young child, 7, who's dying from (fill in). He needs an operation that has a 68% of suceeding and if it does he'll have 1 1/2 years to live. How would you spend the 1 million bucks? (THE ABOVE POSTS ARE NOW ARCHIVE MATERIALS) Another question. If you could save anyone from any disesase, including aging, but that's more like extending another lifetime, would you make yourself known or do what with your abilities? Oh and each time you heal someone it takes an hour, common cold or deadly disease, does not result in immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Put it down. I don't care if I sound shallow, it's just a hamster. If it was my dog i'd definatly put that money up for it though. Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemathonical Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Yeah, put down the hampster, it won't be worth the $2100. You can always buy another one ^Sir Jem 05-The Bunny Drinking Blog?^ Click it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crimsonking Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Put it down, I know its a life, but really, the life of a pet sucks and if I were that hamster I would want to die myself, cause if I live, I will spend the rest of my life in a cage in the corner of a room, doing basically nothing, but constantly being bothered by the giant creatures that encaged me. Death sounds so much nicer than that in my opinion. ~^v^~Ex-Leader of the Divine Flames of Redemption~^v^~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 For me this situation would be less about morals and more about the reality of the situation. Paying $2100 for a hamster when you payed $8 for it is just unrealistic and almost foolishness. Sure, you may love the hamster as a pet, but I doubt you could love a hamster as much as a cat or dog. off topic @ jem: dude, that new sig is disturbing. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Depends on how much I loved the animal. Even if you were to save it, it would be dead in a few years time (max) anyway. So being a Hamster I'd probably put it down. If the money was available for me to spend then I'd pay for it's surgery to get fixed but in the hypothetical situation you just gave us, its not worth spending the money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 off topic @ jem: dude, that new sig is disturbing. :lol: I second that! I hope that's not a relative of yours or anything, or even worse - You! :P :-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrencekill Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 Whao interesting, 5 people in a row say to put it down, might have to rethink this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabola Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 It will live for 5 more years? That is some sort of super hamster, given that the average hamster lifespan is 1.5-2 years. I would not save it. The benefit I would get out of keeping it alive would not be 'worth' $2100. I do not consider a hamster's life to be worth that much, nor do I think it would be worth sacrificing that much money of mine in order to save it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warri0r45 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Whao interesting, 5 people in a row say to put it down, might have to rethink this. Well the way I (and apparantly everyone else does do far) see it, it's kind of a weaker moral predicament and theres no real feeling of wrongdoing if you were to put it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jemathonical Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Hampsters don't live for long anyway. But if it were something that could live for 20+ years, maybe... OT-I can't see my sig,is it there? ^Sir Jem 05-The Bunny Drinking Blog?^ Click it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawrencekill Posted January 11, 2007 Author Share Posted January 11, 2007 It will live for 5 more years? That is some sort of super hamster, given that the average hamster lifespan is 1.5-2 years. I would not save it. The benefit I would get out of keeping it alive would not be 'worth' $2100. I do not consider a hamster's life to be worth that much, nor do I think it would be worth sacrificing that much money of mine in order to save it. Well it may have been some other rodent, like I said. Hampsters don't live for long anyway. But if it were something that could live for 20+ years, maybe... OT-I can't see my sig,is it there? Not even dogs and cats live that long on average. I think their average lifespan is 15ish years. Why'd this work for some stupid kids in According to Jim and not here? lol. I'm probably let this sit for a day while I think of a new topic tomorrow, tired today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I don't value a hamster's life to be worth that kind of money and effort on my behalf. I'd put it out of it's misery now. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 OT-I can't see my sig,is it there? Yes, and just looking at it makes me freak and feel like spewing. :-X Oh and I don't own a Hampster, so I was just roughly guessing how much longer it would live for. :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gin_and_Tonic Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Put it down :| I hate hamster... In my experience, they just bite me :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I know it's off topic but a few years ago we had 2 hamsers, Peaches and Cream. My sister was holding one of em with a deathgrip and killed it on accident =\. She'll still cry if you bring it up. Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiriyama Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 OT-I can't see my sig,is it there? Yes, and just looking at it makes me freak and feel like spewing. :-X Oh and I don't own a Hampster, so I was just roughly guessing how much longer it would live for. :wink: Yeah, its around 2 years, not worth the $2100, Just buy a new one. Denizen of Darkness| PSN= sworddude198 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 No. Considering the cost of the operation and the average life span plus also the huge risk of operating on such a small and delicate animal it would just not be worth it. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctp080188 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 If this question was on a pet such as a cat or dog I would have to think a little deeper. But seeing as it is only a hamster, $2100? You must be crazy, considering they offer you little companionship, sleep when you're awake and keep you up at night, and in my experience, BITE you. Save the money. SHH HUT YUH MUH. DERKHED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueTear Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I am yet to meet a hamster that appears to have what I'd call a "personality". My cat, who's probably somewhere around 8 years old by now, has a very distinct personality and set behaviours. Heck, we even managed to teach him to raise his right paw in exchange for candy, which has become a sort of general communication for "oooo, yummy, can I have some? I'm cute!". 1) I wouldn't own a rodent or a hamster anyway. They don't live long enough, nor do I think they have enough of a personality to make them worthwhile as pets. Might as well get a furry houseplant. 2) From the surgical bills spent on our cat - a nasty ear infection and a fight with what we're presuming was a fox - just how did the bill reach $2100?! It's removing an eraser from a digestive tract, not a bloody brain transplant! (3) ... the only chance he's going to get to eat an eraser is human negligence. I'd like to think I'd avoid that, but hey, our cat jumped into the toilet three times before he realized he had better look before leaping) So no, if I for some reason found myself in possession of a hamster dying due to human negligence I would not spend all that money to save it. -This message was deviously brought to you by: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deloriagod Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I'd put it down.. I've had ~6 hamsters whom have all died (along with a couple of pet mice). They're nice little pets but when you're asked to spend $2100 on an $8 pet, it's something you don't really need to think about. Hamsters don't live very long as it is and they spend most of their time sleeping in a cage unless you wake them up. In my opinion, not a good life. Internet Marketing For Newbies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HatshepsutLecter Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 If I was in that kind of situation, I would understand what any of my children are going through, as it is very hard to lose any kind of a pet, but I would put it down too. No offense, but it is just a hamster. That is a lot of money to be spending on any kind of operation, let alone one that is just for a rodent pet. It would be painful at first, but all would eventually get over it, a new pet would be bought, and it would all be cool again. The Internet: where men are men, women are men, and children are the FBI.First Dragon Drop 5/6/2006 -Dragon Med from Bronze Dragon :DFirst Barrows Item From Chest 2/20/2007 - Verac's Brassard :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
issy2 Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I'd have the poor thing put down. But it's a hard choice, I'd like to keep it. Personally, I value a hamster's life just as much as anyone else's, but it'd probably be in pain anyway. :( And the finiancial side - it'd be a lot of hassle and the hamster wouldn't appreciate it. It'd be trapped in a cage for the rest of it's life - might as well have it painlessly killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parabola Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 Would you have to pay to have the hamster put down? If so then I'd probably improvise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insane Posted January 11, 2007 Share Posted January 11, 2007 I value a hamster's life just as much as anyone else's If you were driving a car and on one side of the road was a hamster, and on the other side a toddler, you and me both know you wouldn't even consider hitting the toddler :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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