January 20, 200719 yr Terrorism will never go away. There will always be bad people in the world. You cannot get rid of them all.
January 20, 200719 yr Terrorism will never go away. There will always be bad people in the world. You cannot get rid of them all. The gab between a bad terrorist and a good freedom fighter is surprisingly small... If you ask me, Bush is a bigger terrorist than some iraqian who grabs his ak47 and points it towards yankee soldiers. Sad, but true. I'd rather die for what I believe in than live for anything else.Name Removed by Administrator ~Turtlefemm
January 20, 200719 yr It is not so simple to just say that terrorists are "bad people" and so they will always exist in the world. They are not crazy, and they are not inherently evil - read on to hear more :D I took a course in social psychology this semester, and one of our lectures was on the psychology of terrorism. I learned a lot that day, and thought about making an OT topic at the time, but never got around to it. The following information is taken from a handout made by Professor Scott Plous of Wesleyan University. I have bolded things on my own that I find interesting, and italicized my own comments: TERMINOLOGY - According to the U.S. State Department, terrorism refers to "premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. Note that terrorism by a unified government is thus ruled out by this definition; this makes sense, since it's the definition given by the US State Department! It is debatable whether this is a valid restriction on the definition of terrorism. - Arabs are an ETHNIC cultural group united by history and the Arabic language. There are millions of Christian Arabs and thousands of Jewish Arabs. Sudan, for example, is not an Arabic nation! - Muslims are believers in Islam. ARE TERRORISTS "CRAZY?" "Terrorism would be a trivial problem if only those with some kind of psychopathology could be terrorists. Rather, we have to face the fact that normal people can be terrorists, that we are ourselves capable of terrorist acts under some circumstances. This fact is already implied in recognizing that military and state police forces involved in state terrorism are all too capable of killing noncombatants. Few would suggest that the broad range of soldiers and policemen involved in such killing must all be suffering some kind of psychopathology." (p. 6) [McCauley, C. (2002). Psychological issues in understanding terrorism and the response to terrorism. In C. E. Stout(Ed.)., The psychology of terrorism (vol. III, pp. 3-29). Westport, CT: Praeger.] WHO ARE THE MOST LIKELY TERRORISTS? Interestingly, there are a lot of stereotypes about terrorists that just aren't true. ACCORDING TO DATA, the likelihood of terrorism does not increase when people are politically repressed (the most repressed countries don't need to worry about public opinion), impoverished (no data to support), or uneducated (in Palestine, the more educated actually tend to be the more likely to be terrorists). Research and data likewise do not suggest terrorists are more likely than non-terrorists to be religious, unemployed, fatherless, or friendless. Males in their teens and twenties do tend to be the most likely terrorists - this is the same demographic trend that is seen for violent crimes in general. For suicide attacks, they tend to be unmarried. Most importantly, they also tend to be angry in personality type and situational background, and seek retribution. However, the ONLY similarity that data is extremely clear about is that TERRORISTS HAVE A LACK OF FEAR. In terrorism from all different areas and situations, those who commit terrorist acts are not scared about the consequences of their actions. REDUCING TERRORISM "Military retribution in response to terrorism fails so often in its stated aims because it so badly misunderstands and ignores the basic psychology of the enemy and of observers. Terrorist groups can endure military strikes and 'targeted assassinations' ... because the violence works to increase the motivation of more members than it decreases, and works to attract more support and sympathy to the group than it frightens away." [silke, A. (2003). Retaliating against terrorism. In A. Silke (Ed.), Terrorists, victims and society: Psychological perspectives on terrorism and its consequences (pp. 215-231). New York: Wiley.] "The 'war on terrorism' can never be won solely by current administration plans to find and destroy terrorists, since any individual, anywhere, at any time, can become an active terrorist. It is only by understanding the situational determinants of terrorism that programs can be developed to win the hearts and minds of potential terrorists away from destruction and toward creation." [Zimbardo, P. G. (2004). A situationist perspective on the psychology of evil: Understanding how good people are transformed into perpetrators. In A. Miller(Ed.), The social psychology of good and evil (pp. 21-50). New York: Guilford.] Everybody hug and spread the love :D
January 20, 200719 yr Interestingly, there are a lot of stereotypes about terrorists that just aren't true. ACCORDING TO DATA, the likelihood of terrorism does not increase when people are politically repressed. I found that quite surprising, I always presumed that political repression (or atleast the perception of it) would be one of the big factors that led to somebody 'becoming' a terrorist. He who learns must suffer, and, even in our sleep, pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart,and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus (525 BC - 456 BC)
January 20, 200719 yr =>I want to stress however that I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat or anything. If I do come over like that, I'm sorry :) I'm also not trying to get everybody Christian, it's just an example. dont worry, you're not. And to counter that, i say the church is still very helpful, but in reality, unecessary. A non-religion based aid foundation could do the work just as fine, and to be honest, i don't believe the sort of statistics the christian ones give out about conversion numbers. I bet many or the those who have been 'converted' sinply do it for the favouratism im 100% sure the christian organisations give to them. You're digging yourself a hole calling a Christian Organization Liars. :lol: Edit: Evolution has happened whether you believe it or not. Ah, Good to see we can count on you to tell us what's happened and what hasn't thousands of years ago. And especially since it hasn't been proven yet. It just makes the decision making that so much bit easier, with you around. THANKS BLUELANCER! :roll: ^^ Note the Sarcasm I could really turn this into a religious argument, but i'm not going to. Just note the bold text and think about it for a second. Did you know that proof can involve logic? Search proof for evolution on google. By the way, sorry if I misinterpreted what you wrote and your whole post is sarcastic, not just 2 particular words.
January 21, 200719 yr =>I want to stress however that I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat or anything. If I do come over like that, I'm sorry :) I'm also not trying to get everybody Christian, it's just an example. dont worry, you're not. And to counter that, i say the church is still very helpful, but in reality, unecessary. A non-religion based aid foundation could do the work just as fine, and to be honest, i don't believe the sort of statistics the christian ones give out about conversion numbers. I bet many or the those who have been 'converted' sinply do it for the favouratism im 100% sure the christian organisations give to them. You're digging yourself a hole calling a Christian Organization Liars. :lol: Edit: Evolution has happened whether you believe it or not. Ah, Good to see we can count on you to tell us what's happened and what hasn't thousands of years ago. And especially since it hasn't been proven yet. It just makes the decision making that so much bit easier, with you around. THANKS BLUELANCER! :roll: ^^ Note the Sarcasm Introduction I can give you countless sources about the truthfulness of the evolution theory (which has been proven, and quite honestly, you can't get a good education if you refuse to believe it) On the other hand, there are no real proofs for 'divine' origins I'm not religious but I don't think that has anything to do with my point does it, even if I was a hindu or a christian or a muslim? It doesn't matter if you think evolution didn't happen; It did. Microevolution can happen in even less than one generation. A site even kids can understand Please read more on the subject before refusing to believe it. If you simply discard the whole life work of Charles Darwin and countless other people who proved evolution exists, that's just... Interesting. Also, I'd like to refer to http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=586892, while it may be shortly removed, it's still there. I'm not discussing religion though, I'm responding to your point. Just reminding.
January 21, 200719 yr I'm christian, I beleive in evolution, is there anything wrong with that? Last.fm Signature Overlays
January 21, 200719 yr Edit 2 - Screw it, I don't want to be banned on something as silly as this. "A time comes when silence is betrayal" MLKJ Speak your mind, but be civil.Get mad, but do not rage.Do unto others as you would want done to yourself. "] Follow the doughnut to my blog! :D
January 21, 200719 yr I'm christian, I beleive in evolution, is there anything wrong with that? Not at all.
January 21, 200719 yr I'm christian, I beleive in evolution, is there anything wrong with that? Not at all. Actually there is, you can only believe one or the other, Since both contradict each other. If you say you believe both you are either a liar or you are confused. "A time comes when silence is betrayal" MLKJ Speak your mind, but be civil.Get mad, but do not rage.Do unto others as you would want done to yourself. "] Follow the doughnut to my blog! :D
January 21, 200719 yr I'm christian, I beleive in evolution, is there anything wrong with that? Not at all. Actually there is, you can only believe one or the other, Since both contradict each other. If you say you believe both you are either a liar or you are confused. Well then don't take one or the other too seriously. I had a catholic biology teacher at my school who was a 'believer' in evolution. He had no troubles with that at all. If you feel you need to follow a 2000 year old book page by page, thats your perogative. Edit: how did a topic about terrorism get on the subject of evolution? :-k
January 21, 200719 yr Edit: how did a topic about terrorism get on the subject of evolution? :-k Religion was brought up as a spark that would unite extremists for that religion, which would in some cases lead to terrorism. But to answer this thread. No, humans are too corrupt and can not change there ways for terrorism to end. "A time comes when silence is betrayal" MLKJ Speak your mind, but be civil.Get mad, but do not rage.Do unto others as you would want done to yourself. "] Follow the doughnut to my blog! :D
January 21, 200719 yr I doubt terrorism will ever end. All the people in the world cant agree on everything and theres always someone that will be mad about a decision.
January 21, 200719 yr =>I want to stress however that I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat or anything. If I do come over like that, I'm sorry :) I'm also not trying to get everybody Christian, it's just an example. dont worry, you're not. And to counter that, i say the church is still very helpful, but in reality, unecessary. A non-religion based aid foundation could do the work just as fine, and to be honest, i don't believe the sort of statistics the christian ones give out about conversion numbers. I bet many or the those who have been 'converted' sinply do it for the favouratism im 100% sure the christian organisations give to them. You're digging yourself a hole calling a Christian Organization Liars. :lol: Edit: Evolution has happened whether you believe it or not. Ah, Good to see we can count on you to tell us what's happened and what hasn't thousands of years ago. And especially since it hasn't been proven yet. It just makes the decision making that so much bit easier, with you around. THANKS BLUELANCER! :roll: ^^ Note the Sarcasm Introduction I can give you countless sources about the truthfulness of the evolution theory (which has been proven, and quite honestly, you can't get a good education if you refuse to believe it) On the other hand, there are no real proofs for 'divine' origins I'm not religious but I don't think that has anything to do with my point does it, even if I was a hindu or a christian or a muslim? It doesn't matter if you think evolution didn't happen; It did. Microevolution can happen in even less than one generation. A site even kids can understand Please read more on the subject before refusing to believe it. If you simply discard the whole life work of Charles Darwin and countless other people who proved evolution exists, that's just... Interesting. Also, I'd like to refer to http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=586892, while it may be shortly removed, it's still there. I'm not discussing religion though, I'm responding to your point. Just reminding. Wait, wait. This isn't about religion this is about sanity. Even though evolution hasn't been proven and the fact that there isn't enough evidence still to prove evolution as factual, you're still telling me that I'm wrong (not to mention countless millions across the globe >> who don't believe in evolution) and that you can just say that without enough evidence. Seriously there hasn't even been the missing links between each stage of evolution to say that it is true. They've only been able to find fossils of the first stage of evolution and that of species today. So why haven't they been able to find fossils of the missing stage in the evolutional process? You can't be that full of yourself to tell someone that they are wrong and that something has happened when it still is theory. Unlike yourself, I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I'm just stating the fact that my belief hasn't been proven wrong and your belief hasn't been proven right (or wrong). Just because there is so called "more evidence" for one side than the other doesn't make it factual. That's why they call it a theory Einstein. :roll:
January 21, 200719 yr The solution to terrorism is to obliterate all of the country's that harbor them. Off course that likely wont happen so their isn't an immediate solution.
January 21, 200719 yr =>I want to stress however that I'm not trying to shove anything down your throat or anything. If I do come over like that, I'm sorry :) I'm also not trying to get everybody Christian, it's just an example. dont worry, you're not. And to counter that, i say the church is still very helpful, but in reality, unecessary. A non-religion based aid foundation could do the work just as fine, and to be honest, i don't believe the sort of statistics the christian ones give out about conversion numbers. I bet many or the those who have been 'converted' sinply do it for the favouratism im 100% sure the christian organisations give to them. You're digging yourself a hole calling a Christian Organization Liars. :lol: Edit: Evolution has happened whether you believe it or not. Ah, Good to see we can count on you to tell us what's happened and what hasn't thousands of years ago. And especially since it hasn't been proven yet. It just makes the decision making that so much bit easier, with you around. THANKS BLUELANCER! :roll: ^^ Note the Sarcasm Introduction I can give you countless sources about the truthfulness of the evolution theory (which has been proven, and quite honestly, you can't get a good education if you refuse to believe it) On the other hand, there are no real proofs for 'divine' origins I'm not religious but I don't think that has anything to do with my point does it, even if I was a hindu or a christian or a muslim? It doesn't matter if you think evolution didn't happen; It did. Microevolution can happen in even less than one generation. A site even kids can understand Please read more on the subject before refusing to believe it. If you simply discard the whole life work of Charles Darwin and countless other people who proved evolution exists, that's just... Interesting. Also, I'd like to refer to http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?t=586892, while it may be shortly removed, it's still there. I'm not discussing religion though, I'm responding to your point. Just reminding. Wait, wait. This isn't about religion this is about sanity. Even though evolution hasn't been proven and the fact that there isn't enough evidence still to prove evolution as factual, you're still telling me that I'm wrong (not to mention countless millions across the globe >> who don't believe in evolution) and that you can just say that without enough evidence. Seriously there hasn't even been the missing links between each stage of evolution to say that it is true. They've only been able to find fossils of the first stage of evolution and that of species today. So why haven't they been able to find fossils of the missing stage in the evolutional process? You can't be that full of yourself to tell someone that they are wrong and that something has happened when it still is theory. Unlike yourself, I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I'm just stating the fact that my belief hasn't been proven wrong and your belief hasn't been proven right (or wrong). Just because there is so called "more evidence" for one side than the other doesn't make it factual. That's why they call it a theory Einstein. :roll: Your taking the word theory much too lightly. Its not a hypothesis, it's not a guess, it's a series of thoughts and locigal analysis of the mechanisms postulated backed up by logical and physical evidence. The vast, vast majority of the entire population of scientists view evolution as locigal, sound and generally undisputed until a better model to explain it arrieses. Evolution does have many proofs in physical and logical terms and no fossil records are yet to present themselves which don't fit the model of evolution or cast doubt on the model of evolution. Seriously mate, I dont think god would be illogical, nor do you have to be. I don't see any believer of faith (and creationism) that accepts evolution as lesser and I would hardly call believing in evolution and creationism herecy.
January 21, 200719 yr Warrior when once in that post of yours did you mention that it was factual truth. Not once, because quite frankly you can't if its a theory (whether you like it or not :wink: ). Bluelancer stated that it happened period. Which isn't factually correct since its a theory. Last time I checked mate, a theory was a theory and can't be taken as factual. I know you Queenslander's are a bit slow, so I understand that it might take a while to figure out but thats the truth. :P Whether you like it or not. Note, not once have I said that "this or that happened", I am simply stating the facts about theories. Its up to you then to decide whether you believe one side of the story or the other. But don't go telling me what happened and what didn't as if it were factual when its not.
January 21, 200719 yr well, terrorism is based on what side u perceave it from. you call 9/11 terrorism but dont call the war in iraq terrorism. How do people try to end wars? its by defeating them, by coming out the victor, hopefully that will change but i cant c it happening anytime soon. to end terrorism there is only one way, and that is wiping out this planet, for as long as we live, we have differeing opinoins on things, no matter how small we are all configured differently. Started new account: flipflop v2
January 21, 200719 yr Warrior when once in that post of yours did you mention that it was factual truth. Not once, because quite frankly you can't if its a theory (whether you like it or not :wink: ). Bluelancer stated that it happened period. Which isn't factually correct since its a theory. Last time I checked mate, a theory was a theory and can't be taken as factual. I know you Queenslander's are a bit slow, so I understand that it might take a while to figure out but thats the truth. :P Whether you like it or not. Note, not once have I said that "this or that happened", I am simply stating the facts about theories. Its up to you then to decide whether you believe one side of the story or the other. But don't go telling me what happened and what didn't as if it were factual when its not. Let me ask you something. Do you believe in gravity? Because gravity is explained by a theory - gravitational theory. I still think that you are taking the whole concept of a theory too lightly. Theories are the main ways in which we attempt to explain natural phenomena. The dictionary states that a theory is: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. So I suppose you could say the 'facts' in the case of evolution are that there are many diverse species, all of which have adaptations to thier natural environment. The theoy of evolution merely attempts to explain this; the theory itself dosen't need factal evidence to back it up, rather it's the evidence gathered that strengthens or weakens the theory, and whether you accept it or not, the evidence found in terms of fossils is yet to weaken the theory.
January 21, 200719 yr Warrior when once in that post of yours did you mention that it was factual truth. Not once, because quite frankly you can't if its a theory (whether you like it or not :wink: ). Bluelancer stated that it happened period. Which isn't factually correct since its a theory. Last time I checked mate, a theory was a theory and can't be taken as factual. I know you Queenslander's are a bit slow, so I understand that it might take a while to figure out but thats the truth. :P Whether you like it or not. Note, not once have I said that "this or that happened", I am simply stating the facts about theories. Its up to you then to decide whether you believe one side of the story or the other. But don't go telling me what happened and what didn't as if it were factual when its not. The dictionary states that a theory is: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. Those two words sum up my case. Their just predictions, not factual. Anyway I've had enough of arguing. We can agree to disagree.
January 21, 200719 yr Warrior when once in that post of yours did you mention that it was factual truth. Not once, because quite frankly you can't if its a theory (whether you like it or not :wink: ). Bluelancer stated that it happened period. Which isn't factually correct since its a theory. Last time I checked mate, a theory was a theory and can't be taken as factual. I know you Queenslander's are a bit slow, so I understand that it might take a while to figure out but thats the truth. :P Whether you like it or not. Note, not once have I said that "this or that happened", I am simply stating the facts about theories. Its up to you then to decide whether you believe one side of the story or the other. But don't go telling me what happened and what didn't as if it were factual when its not. The dictionary states that a theory is: A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena. Those two words sum up my case. Their just predictions, not factual. Anyway I've had enough of arguing. We can agree to disagree. Ok.
January 21, 200719 yr Even though evolution hasn't been proven and the fact that there isn't enough evidence still to prove evolution as factual, you're still telling me that I'm wrong (not to mention countless millions across the globe >> who don't believe in evolution) and that you can just say that without enough evidence. Seriously there hasn't even been the missing links between each stage of evolution to say that it is true. They've only been able to find fossils of the first stage of evolution and that of species today. So why haven't they been able to find fossils of the missing stage in the evolutional process? You can't be that full of yourself to tell someone that they are wrong and that something has happened when it still is theory. Unlike yourself, I'm not telling you that you're wrong, I'm just stating the fact that my belief hasn't been proven wrong and your belief hasn't been proven right (or wrong). Just because there is so called "more evidence" for one side than the other doesn't make it factual. That's why they call it a theory Einstein. :roll: Just to remind you, you and "millions" of others are in the minority. Most, probably all, serious professional scientists accept the evolution as true. Evolution change in the gene pool of a population from generation to generation by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. That's how you exist today. I was simply pointing out it doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. Evolution is a theory in the same was as a gravity is a theory. Would you still want to put your head under a guillotine and check if some God will come and save you before gravity WILL chop off your head? It is a proven theory, and if you choose to not believe in gravity either just because it's a theory, it's your bad. Theory does not mean something which isn't proven. While you're at it, since I have read countless religious texts, books, scriptures, why don't you at least read the basic introduction to evolution which I posted? It contains solid proof, cites sources and gives reasoning. But of course, if you disagree and feel it's false, you're free to edit the site. Whether you can prove factual reasoning or not I don't know. You are saying evolution = not true. This is one of the simplest concepts in biology and I'm very surprised you can argue about it just as if you'd say "apples don't contain water - period - because I believe so". Even the pope acknowledges evolution, and he probably knows a lot more about his religion than any of us here.
January 21, 200719 yr I too have trouble believing why people would let thier religion get in the way of accepting evolution, as I know of at least one person who has no qualms about accepting both. But clearly some people just won't accept it, so try not to force them to argue if they don't want to.
January 21, 200719 yr BlueLancer people were in the minority back in the 1400's when they thought the Earth was round. That's not a valid argument. Edit: And gravity isn't a theory anymore it's proven fact. A proven theory, is a fact, quite unlike your unproven evolutional theory. :wink: Anyway like I did with Warrior, we can agree to disagree, an argument here isn't going to go anywhere positive.
January 21, 200719 yr The solution to terrorism is to obliterate all of the country's that harbor them. Off course that likely wont happen so their isn't an immediate solution. As I quoted earlier: Military retribution in response to terrorism fails so often in its stated aims because it so badly misunderstands and ignores the basic psychology of the enemy and of observers. Terrorist groups can endure military strikes and 'targeted assassinations' ... because the violence works to increase the motivation of more members than it decreases, and works to attract more support and sympathy to the group than it frightens away. [silke, A. (2003). Retaliating against terrorism. In A. Silke (Ed.), Terrorists, victims and society: Psychological perspectives on terrorism and its consequences (pp. 215-231). New York: Wiley.] The 'war on terrorism' can never be won solely by current administration plans to find and destroy terrorists, since any individual, anywhere, at any time, can become an active terrorist. It is only by understanding the situational determinants of terrorism that programs can be developed to win the hearts and minds of potential terrorists away from destruction and toward creation. [Zimbardo, P. G. (2004). A situationist perspective on the psychology of evil: Understanding how good people are transformed into perpetrators. In A. Miller(Ed.), The social psychology of good and evil (pp. 21-50). New York: Guilford.] Everybody hug and spread the love :D
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