The whip? A flawed weapon?

[folmer_veeman]

i like the combo of d long and d scim more, d long for the specials, d scim for the fighting... i had the abby whip for some time, but i still used my d scim more, because it happened to hit more often...

[BoD]

maybe people will disagree but the whip really isnt all that great. I define it as an above average weapon but nothing essential to the average meleer. I pawned my whip for a dscimmy not to long ago. I sacrificed an extra 2 or 3 hits on my max but also gained 1.85 mil. Point is, no one really needs a whip in my opinion, just a little something extra for quite a lot of gp.

[Celt23]

The biggest flaw of the whip is that it can't train strength and is slash only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it hits very high for its speed and can be very accurate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can be overrated though, I can get almost as much or even more damage than it with a D2H at pest control. (Where I can see how much damage I've done)

[jessy87]

The biggest flaw of the whip is that it can't train strength and is slash only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it hits very high for its speed and can be very accurate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It can be overrated though, I can get almost as much or even more damage than it with a D2H at pest control. (Where I can see how much damage I've done)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

with or without the 2h spec?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, yeah perhaps the idea isnt that the whip is flawed, but its not amazingly versatile. i got a fighter torso, and sold my dragon chain because why? well ill be using it more then the chain because first, str bonus and 2nd cmon i can heal with guthans if im doing slayer or whatever, but 3rdly i decided it was useful in pvp like castlewars/duel arena not only for the str bonus but because of the slash defense being higher then a rune plates. i mean, how many weapons use stab/crush? ddagger is the only 1 that is used ALOT, dmace i dont see any1 carrying a dmace daily but i do see people using daggers constantly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

whip/scimmy/long all weapons mainly slash attack and the slash defense for torso is amazing enough for me to compromise for a while.

[sabrerokz]

 

 

 

 

 

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If two people with identical stats, wearing full Rune, wielding different weapons with different attack capabilities, one being crush and the other being slash, I think it'd make a difference, don't you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

depends what your fighting or what type of armour they are wearing. most people with enough money have way more than 1 weapon for this reason, each weapon has its strengths and weaknesses. i think everyone would agree the whip is a fantastic all-round weapon though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i mean, if you were fighting a ranged thing you might want a slash, fighting a melee monster i dunno pretty much anything depending on what you know its weak against , or there is crush for plate armour, stab for chain.. and as for mage you would use ranged against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm saying what if they are wearing the standard Rune armor, being Rune platebody.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

then you would go for the d halberd or b axe if you didnt care about it bieng slow, but the whip is literrally like 4 times faster so with 4 times the hits at just below the damage, you can see how the whip owns

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wasn't being specific enough with my scenario and forgot the mention that their weapons are at the same speed.

 

 

 

one word: LUCK

 

 

 

now i'm going to type a few more words identical stats they're not the biggest thing first of all food who has the better luck with hits and attack styles are more effective on monsters than over players

[ChaosSt0rm]

you cant really crush or stab anyone with a whip so why the need for crush and stab

[Dharockslayer]

I say nerv the torags hammers to be faster.

 

 

 

Then the price of the hammers would go up. It wouldnt be seen as an 'noob' weapon, and would probably be good in pvp against plates and dharockers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And whip is overrated, I can get even as much or more with my homemade super sets and my d scimmy.

[jessy87]

I say nerv the torags hammers to be faster.

 

 

 

Then the price of the hammers would go up. It wouldnt be seen as an 'noob' weapon, and would probably be good in pvp against plates and dharockers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And whip is overrated, I can get even as much or more with my homemade super sets and my d scimmy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what about flail? its okay, and yeah torags hammers need to be beefed up alot, give them like +100 crush with + 90 str.

[Harrington]

Haven't read every post so maybe someone has already said this...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They won't release a weapon that's as quick as a whip but does crush damage. To inflict crushing damage is by its very nature a slow move since it requires more inertia/distance to deliver a crushing blow.

[Trojann2]

Just think of in real life Stabbing with a knife, slashing with a knife, and crushing with a hammer

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You summed my 2 Paragraphs up in 1 Sentence. :wall:

[Jeebe]

if there was a weapon with the same speed and strenght and also 1handed

 

 

 

but with a better special, equal crush or stab as the whips slash and the option to train str... then say goodbye to whips forever :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edt: but knowing jagex they will allways make some disadvantage to even the best of weapons...

[aj926]

 

OK, but that's not what he was saying at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the whip does own. Why not make a maul that doesn't stink up the entire wilderness when used? Why not make a spear that actually is used for stabbing people? Why not make a dagger that doesn't rely on its special bar to be special?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He's not taling about the whip. He's talking about the possibilities of other "whip-like" items for stab and crush.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you mean to say, he is asking why don't they make a weapon thats really good and specialises in stabbing/crushing, as the whip does in slashing?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well then, thats a brilliant idea, abbysal axe/mual or whatever and abbysal spear/dagger all the way!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes. I'm glad that was resolved. :D

[Dazzuh]

Well if the whip had a strength attack style and the special attack was still 0 or max hit then it would be really overpowered. Remember it's not just about melee weapons, melee has to equal ranged and melee too.

[deciever2]

the only thing really bad about the whip in my opinion is the special isn't that great, and you cant train str sololy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the crush and stab part, i really doubt anyone would care sense that doesn't affect a battle that much

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

agreed, most people will find ways around the problems too. For me, if i need a special at all, i'll bring my d(p++). For strength training i use either a barrows set or a d scimitar.

[Madouge]

the whip is faster than the scimmy aswell and it doesnt matter what you think about it's special, the whip still owns.

 

 

 

Why does everyone say the whip is faster than the D scimmy, they're clearly the same speed

[easonadam]

i think it would add to the game play if there was simalar weapons to the whip but for crush and stab, tactics would become more involved. i.e a high crush weapon with the same speed would be mor effective against a weak to crush monster the current whip. thus making those who think about things have an advantage, the way it should be!

[Tri_Cloud]

Well if the whip had a strength attack style and the special attack was still 0 or max hit then it would be really overpowered. Remember it's not just about melee weapons, melee has to equal ranged and melee too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I will say it once again. I couldn't care less about training strength. Hell, a weapon that good shouldn't even have the accurate style to train attack. All I'm saying is, if Jagex ever release weapon(s) that is/are identical to the whip, the only difference being that they wouldn't consist of slash bonus and would have crush or stab, it may potentially revolutionize the way we train/duel/PK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It may not be a significant difference but like easonadam said, tactics become more involved and instead of switching weapons, you'd have to switch armor.

[runescapeloser22]

ever tried stabbing with a whip? doesnt work too well :?

[captianant]

hmmm, a good compromise would be a broadsword.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They weigh at least 25 pounds, and are incredibly sharp. They do indeed have a sharp edge, but alot of their punch also comes from the inertia of the wepon itself. There you have it. Slash, Stab, and Crush all rolled into one convinient (but heavy) sword.