pault Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 Another question... Do you think World War II would have been as bad if the allies had attacked Hitler when he started illegally annexing territory and started breaking the WWI peace treaty by expanding his military? This was before he had turned the German military into a powerful juggernaut so Germany couldn't have put up as tough a resistance as they did several years later. Hindsight is 20/20...Hitler was doing alot of good things in terms of effectively running a socialist state. Healthcare was great, for example. He built up the infrastructure, supported famillies, etc...It was difficult to predict what happened. Even after the holocaust, it took Pearl Harbour (which was largely preventable, either there was knowledgable failure to act or extreme incompetence) to get the US into WW2, so there was no chance we would have attacked Hitler when he captured some tiny unimportant state like....Poland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke_Freedom Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 http://www.rawprint.com/images/Iran07a.pdf Interesting research article by ING (bank) on the who, why, when and where there may be an attack on Iran. The article talks mainly about the economic consequences (which most of you won't interest at all :P) but it also writes about the various indications that a war on Iran is comming up. The value of my bank at its height. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 250 billion+.Most likely the largest trade in RuneScape ever. Estimated value at the peak of the rares market: 70 billion+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeb912 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 It's not allowed to say if you're attacking a place on the internet. It appears there could be 'spies anywheree. Is this really how paranoid people have become? :wall: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 *Yawn*. It's been "almost time" for the last 6,000 years. When in fact, the Bible says "I promise you, all this will come to pass before the end of this generation." on the subject of the end of the world. That was written...How many generations ago? I ain't too worried. You just can't stop with the hate against Christians can you :lol: :: Guess the Movie Contest Champion: pfilc23 :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3288.htm http://www.ichblog.eu/content/view/257/52/ The Bush administrationÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s charges against Iran are, for the most part, scare talk and nothing more. Iran has virtually nothing to do with the Iraqi resistance movement, which is commanded and staffed by Sunni Arab military officers and Baathists. They consider Iran to be a deadly foe and call IraqÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Shiite leaders ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅPersians.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambassadar Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Iran has virtually nothing to do with the Iraqi resistance movement, which is commanded and staffed by Sunni Arab military officers and Baathists. If this was true then why did Ahmadinejad not deny the charge that Iran was supplying IED's in his interview that I quoted part of earlier? I will quote it again to refresh you. "I am told that your revolutionary guards, Mr. President, are taking bombs, those ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢â∠Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hindsight is 20/20...Hitler was doing alot of good things in terms of effectively running a socialist state. Healthcare was great, for example. He built up the infrastructure, supported famillies, etc...It was difficult to predict what happened. Even after the holocaust, it took Pearl Harbour (which was largely preventable, either there was knowledgable failure to act or extreme incompetence) to get the US into WW2, so there was no chance we would have attacked Hitler when he captured some tiny unimportant state like....Poland. You misunderstood Ambassador's point. He is not making any claim about whether or not anyone had the evidence to attack Hitler. He is responding to the point that was made that preemptive war is never good; that we should only enter war if we have been attacked. Ambassador's point is that to question whether or not so many lives had been lost and if the war would have been as difficult if we had preemptively attacked Hitler when he illegally started expanding his military, but before it was as powerful as he made it? His point is about whether or not preemptive war is okay, since preemptively attacking Hitler could have potentially saved millions of lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 If this was true then why did Ahmadinejad not deny the charge that Iran was supplying IED's in his interview that I quoted part of earlier? First of all, Ahmadinejad does not have very much real power within the Iranian government. Second, Iran is not supplying IEDs to the insurgents within Iraq. In truth, the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is the main winner here. Like Khatami, Ahmadinejad will be very visible but not very powerful in the presidency, which has grown considerably weaker as an institution in the past eight years. http://www.guardian.co.uk/analysis/stor ... 28,00.html Iran provides cash, arms and assistance to the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, whose Badr Brigade militia operates as a death squad on behalf of the U.S.-allied government of Iraq. It has a vast presence in IraqÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Shiite south, building ties to private militias, tribes and urban political machines. It has massive economic ties to Iraq, and, in a recent New York Times interview, IranÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s ambassador in Iraq announced that his country would open a branch of IranÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s leading bank in downtown Baghdad and ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬Åoffer Iraqi government forces training, equipment and advisers for ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹Ãâthe security fight.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypie10 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Global Warming War in Iraq Iran and Nuclear bombs... Israel and palenstine... Brothers, the end is near, turn your faces to God, it's almost time. *Yawn*. It's been "almost time" for the last 6,000 years. When in fact, the Bible says "I promise you, all this will come to pass before the end of this generation." on the subject of the end of the world. That was written...How many generations ago? I ain't too worried. The guy is obviously dilusional. He actually things America would fall and crumble before Israel? America is untouchable to him. It's all faith, im not forcing you to believe it, im just telling you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightLite Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Ffs, USA Today the magazine, not the nation today... I was reffering to the editors of the magazine being near 100% liberal..... - Only character in Runescape History maxed out in RSC and RS2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pault Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 [bleep], USA Today the magazine, not the nation today... I was reffering to the editors of the magazine being near 100% liberal..... Somebody already explained that. Anyway, if USA today was actually liberal they might report the truth. The Bush administrationÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s charges against Iran are, for the most part, scare talk and nothing more. Iran has virtually nothing to do with the Iraqi resistance movement, which is commanded and staffed by Sunni Arab military officers and Baathists. They consider Iran to be a deadly foe and call IraqÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s Shiite leaders ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅPersians.ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâà Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 *Yawn*. It's been "almost time" for the last 6,000 years. When in fact, the Bible says "I promise you, all this will come to pass before the end of this generation." on the subject of the end of the world. That was written...How many generations ago? I ain't too worried. You just can't stop with the hate against Christians can you :lol: Just throwin' down some facts. I don't hate Christians...My girlfriend is a follower. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Yes, America is entirely untouchable nothing like a huge terrorist attack has taken place in America at all now has it The West is in no way safe from everything, to think so is fallacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightLite Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Yes, America is entirely untouchable nothing like a huge terrorist attack has taken place in America at all now has it The West is in no way safe from everything, to think so is fallacy We lost a little over 3,000.... Out of 3,000,000 We (America) are the greatest superpower in the world today - Only character in Runescape History maxed out in RSC and RS2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 From which perspective? It definately isn't military super power; and ecconomic super power is waining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Yes, America is entirely untouchable nothing like a huge terrorist attack has taken place in America at all now has it The West is in no way safe from everything, to think so is fallacy The best part of that is that I was joking. You were being serious, and you're still wrong. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Yes, America is entirely untouchable nothing like a huge terrorist attack has taken place in America at all now has it The West is in no way safe from everything, to think so is fallacy The best part of that is that I was joking. You were being serious, and you're still wrong. Clarify how the west is safe? With terrorism and fundamentalism on the rise, energy crises left right and centre and a myriad of other problems we are in no way "untouchable" Also, to the 3,000 out of 3,000,000 guy numbers are irrelevant if the US was "untouchable" there would be no casualties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketman089 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 We lost a little over 3,000.... Out of 3,000,000 We (America) are the greatest superpower in the world today You're like a hundred times wrong, it's 300,000,000 :wink: Gamertag: King Arizona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigra00 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 America is untouchable as in we can't be attacked by another nations army. Noone would be that stupid. The popularity of any given religion today depends on the victories of the wars they fought in the past. - Me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malo2 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Global Warming War in Iraq Iran and Nuclear bombs... Israel and palenstine... Brothers, the end is near, turn your faces to God, it's almost time. *Yawn*. It's been "almost time" for the last 6,000 years. When in fact, the Bible says "I promise you, all this will come to pass before the end of this generation." on the subject of the end of the world. That was written...How many generations ago? I ain't too worried. The guy is obviously dilusional. He actually things America would fall and crumble before Israel? America is untouchable to him.there are other ways to destroy a country than just firing a bunch of missiles, that is, if you have people willing to sacrifice their lives. Just imagine a bunch of suicide bombers blowing themselves up inside the pentagon, if that happens, it could send the whole military into chaos, and the country will be completely defenseless. This is one of the countless possible ways to take the U.S. down, and they're all very possible. You're being pretty arrogant. Lastfm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Yes, America is entirely untouchable nothing like a huge terrorist attack has taken place in America at all now has it The West is in no way safe from everything, to think so is fallacy The best part of that is that I was joking. You were being serious, and you're still wrong. Clarify how the west is safe? With terrorism and fundamentalism on the rise, energy crises left right and centre and a myriad of other problems we are in no way "untouchable" Also, to the 3,000 out of 3,000,000 guy numbers are irrelevant if the US was "untouchable" there would be no casualties Why are you still arguing with me? I was being an idiot, AKA joking. Calm it, and you're still wrong. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 America is untouchable Yeah, I know. Yes, America is entirely untouchable nothing like a huge terrorist attack has taken place in America at all now has it The West is in no way safe from everything, to think so is fallacy The best part of that is that I was joking. You were being serious, and you're still wrong. Clarify how the west is safe? With terrorism and fundamentalism on the rise, energy crises left right and centre and a myriad of other problems we are in no way "untouchable" Also, to the 3,000 out of 3,000,000 guy numbers are irrelevant if the US was "untouchable" there would be no casualties Why are you still arguing with me? I was being an idiot, AKA joking. Calm it, and you're still wrong. I'm "still arguing" because this is a debate last time I checked? Also the security of MEDC's isn't really something to joke about now is it. I was also more referring to the original poster but seeing how you've continued to bug me i'll move onto you. How exactly am i wrong - you cannot just say "you are wrong" - and if its just a joke then walk away and smile it does you good :lol: . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPurpleCrayon Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 It's a joke because I don't mean that America is literally untouchable. But seriously, think about it. We have the best Military in the world, no one is stupid enough to attack us. The worst anyone could do is a terrorist attack like 9/11, which left a minuscule dent. Ghost: I am prejudice towards ignorance, so that would explain why I appear to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baron8000 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 Now that I can agree with, of course nobody is going to openly invade the US (without a death wish) - I was mostly arguing with the original "untouchable" guy. The only thing that worries me is when the terrorist attack involves something nuclear, the likelihood is probably low and its probably paranoia on my part - but it only takes once. Anyway seems we have settled the issue, I'll stop making quote pyramids if you will : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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