Andrew's response to autoing

[Pikemaster25]

Very interesting...makes me wonder how many accounts are out there.. :-k

[neocon]

Yeehaw! Woot woot! :thumbsup:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is like Walker, Texas Ranger and the autoers are like MacGyver. They stink!!!!!!!! :boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am SO glad you posted this! You just made my day!!!! \ \ \ \ \

[heart_of_ink]

Wow... :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8,000, that's like 4 world 1's. I wonder how much of a percent of this is player-to-jagex reports, and how much is just the system?

[Bobbington]

Player reports are important I am lead to belive..... I think the systems need to know where to look. But jagex will never release how they do thing, for obvious reasons.

[hohto]

Player reports are important I am lead to belive..... I think the systems need to know where to look. But jagex will never release how they do thing, for obvious reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is from one certain pmod; player made macro reports are really important in catching macroers. Can't get into details, but they are checked.

[JFonseka]

8000 accounts a week...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Half of that must be non-macroers

[D. V. Devnull]

8000 accounts a week...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Half of that must be non-macroers

 

 

 

Unlikely, else I'd be banned already for "some macro-like things" I have done. (Examples: Walking the same paths, Only moving on horizontal or vertical, Bugging the same set of NPCs constantly, Standing around for half an hour by clicking stuff in my inventory, etc. :P ...) Keep in mind, however, that while doing these insane things, I was using the RS Java App made by Jagex, and I was running their applet in IE6. I was NOT macroing, and I have a personal hate for macroers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am rather sure before Jagex bans someone that they check the reports through fully, especially if the in-game system drops a bunch of randoms on the person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

[skeroh]

interesting, but i think that they should take it a step further. and d_v_devnull, how could you have been banned for being an autoer? im sure you would've talked at least once, and autoers never talk at all.

[pault]

I somehow doubt that they ban 8000 accounts a week for macroing, but yes, it is nice to see that they are doing something. But even so, I'm seeing quite a few macroers per day hacking away at those willows at Port Sarim. This is just what I hate about them- essentially, they spoil the fun of the game. Take a person with Level 60 Woodcutting or higher for example- there are so many macroers chopping down the yew trees that few can get at them, and thus, this person can't get his/her yew logs. It's pathetic really.

 

 

 

I'm not affected by macroers etc. as such, as I get money from mining, but still, the majority of RuneScape players are affected by them, which makes their actions sad and unforgivable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's believable that Jagex bans 8000 accounts a week for macroing. Consider there are autos for tutorial island, and automatic account creators, and people willing to run thirty bots at the same time on their computers. What's not believable is that Jagex is banning the majority of mule or main accounts that autoers use. There are plenty of undetectable ways to transfer items without being detected, and plenty of ways to avoid having the same UID or IP on multiple accounts. The raw volume of Runescape GP being sold for cash is testament to this failure.

[Stihl]

I am rather sure before Jagex bans someone that they check the reports through fully

I am rather sure that you are full of beans. :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Autoers don't appeal, they make new accounts. Legit players, on the other hand, generally appeal heavily when accused of autoing. In some ways, it does therefore make sense to handle rule #7 reports with minimal attention, investigating carefully only when the reported player doesn't appear to be a typical macro at first glance. The CS manpower freed up for other tasks this way is considerable, and occasional slips/mistakes can be quickly remedied when appealed. Merely speculation, mind you, but I doubt intensive operations go into every single report.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dutchdreams clearly has it right, as well. I don't know why Andrew refuses to talk straight with his players, but it sure irks me.

[D. V. Devnull]

interesting, but i think that they should take it a step further. and d_v_devnull, how could you have been banned for being an autoer? im sure you would've talked at least once, and autoers never talk at all.

 

 

 

There have been times in the full year-and-a-half that I have played where I just wouldn't talk sometimes and had my chat turned off, all because I was bent on reaching a goal and didn't want distractions. Further, you have taken my words entirely out of context and twisted them... I have not actually been banned/blackmarked. I had only suggested that some of my movements could be considered "macro-like" in their nature, and that I might be banned by accident for it... :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(A tip for you: I wouldn't be on these forums if I had been blackmarked or banned from RuneScape. I'd lose all heart in playing, because I personally don't go breaking rules like these, and to get banned/blackmarked would be a serious wrong done to me.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am rather sure before Jagex bans someone that they check the reports through fully

 

 

 

I am rather sure that you are full of beans. :P

 

 

 

Nah, no beans here... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Autoers don't appeal, they make new accounts. Legit players, on the other hand, generally appeal heavily when accused of autoing. In some ways, it does therefore make sense to handle rule #7 reports with minimal attention, investigating carefully only when the reported player doesn't appear to be a typical macro at first glance. The CS manpower freed up for other tasks this way is considerable, and occasional slips/mistakes can be quickly remedied when appealed. Merely speculation, mind you, but I doubt intensive operations go into every single report.

 

 

 

You'd actually be surprised. I have heard of times where macroers have appealed just as heavily as legit players. Far as I know however, they don't get away with it. :) ... Also, I am still reasonably sure that Jagex does check all the reports before blackmarking/banning, but they only take like 3 seconds each unless the in-game system has it red-flagged like mad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dutchdreams clearly has it right, as well. I don't know why Andrew refuses to talk straight with his players, but it sure irks me.

 

 

 

Hmm, you should check one of the recent Tip.It Times threads. He posted there. Go have a look. 8-)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Mr. Devnull

[Stihl]

I am rather sure before Jagex bans someone that they check the reports through fully, especially if the in-game system drops a bunch of randoms on the person.

 

Also, I am still reasonably sure that Jagex does check all the reports before blackmarking/banning, but they only take like 3 seconds each unless the in-game system has it red-flagged like mad.

So you're telling me that Jagex's customer support team can check each 60-second report snapshot "through fully" in a mere 3 seconds? I smell beans, dude. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm, you should check one of the recent Tip.It Times threads. He posted there. Go have a look.

I know about it. I read it. What I saw was essentially a bunch of sugar-coated, politically correct, diplomatic hooey.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The pure essense update was effective in reducing the profit margin of 2x nat crafting, and added to the incentive to purchase membership. It utterly failed to deter autoers, and if many of us could see that would be the case, how could Jagex's paid employees miss it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, the repercussions of such things aren't particularly harmful, so I really shouldn't complain. This sort of thing just really bothers me. I don't dish out my $5/month to run half-truths through a sieve, I get enough of that crap from politicians. We're all human beings here, why can't he level with us?

[zyrm]

since its possible to change ip addresses doesnt that mean that someone could be unfairly banned simply because they have the same ip address as the macroer

[honeo]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IP banning - doesn't work...most SMART macroers use proxies...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but proxies now-a-days that actually work on RuneScape are very, very limited. They have to find "High-Anonymity" or "High-Anonymous" proxies, which are very hard to find. Lots of them are used by the government..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What a bunch of exaggerated crap.

 

 

 

+1 Couldn't agree more.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I somehow doubt that they ban 8000 accounts a week for macroing, but yes, it is nice to see that they are doing something. But even so, I'm seeing quite a few macroers per day hacking away at those willows at Port Sarim. This is just what I hate about them- essentially, they spoil the fun of the game. Take a person with Level 60 Woodcutting or higher for example- there are so many macroers chopping down the yew trees that few can get at them, and thus, this person can't get his/her yew logs. It's pathetic really.

 

 

 

I'm not affected by macroers etc. as such, as I get money from mining, but still, the majority of RuneScape players are affected by them, which makes their actions sad and unforgivable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest i doubt Jagex would lie about the amount of accounts that are being banned. What you have to rember is that macroers have scripts that create accounts, as the average macroers life is around a day before they are detected and banned. In this time they power chop to 60 and then get as many yews as possible and put them on a mule account and the yews are passed from account to account before they end up on the selling account and are sold.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You sir are wrong on so many things. Jagex does lie sometimes, to give the general RuneScape community what they want. There are so many whiney, uneducated kids out there that whine for the banning of autoers, macroers, hackers, whatever the hell you call them. Exaggerated. I believe that over half the accounts that are banned for macroing are falsely acussed, but Jagex never admits it. They discriminate against all level 3's. As you can see in the main thread on the RuneScape official fourms, he says... "Why do you think the vast majority of the accounts are level-3 these days? Because they just made them!" Not true! There are tons of skillers out there and tons of people that DON'T macro. Some people say, oh, well you can tell by the name of the person or if they don't respond! But what if they have a bad taste in names? What if they have their chat turned to off? What if they are browsing fourms? What if they are PERM MUTED??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Consider there are autos for tutorial island, and automatic account creators, and people willing to run thirty bots at the same time on their computers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Wrong again, you CANNOT! run 30 bots on your computer at the same time. And account creators would be faulty, because Jagex makes you stop creating accounts after making around 5 in a row.

[Im_Rich4ever]

Heck no they don't ban 8000 Accounts a Week! My friend has like 10 Macro Essence Miner Accounts and none of his have been banned and he's been macroing for months now. I don't know some part of me thinks that this message is just trying to scare macroers.

[Im_Rich4ever]

They discriminate against all level 3's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ya and a lot of macro users just use an Auto Fighter Script and get their combat 20+!

[The Observer]

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And what they are saying is only partially true...8,000 a week I can understand...thats probably all from 1,000 people :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IP banning - doesn't work...most SMART macroers use proxies...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The code system can be un-coded, there are programs that can cut out patterns and then see raw (or close to raw) letters, I remember back in RSC when they did do that, back when I did macro, and there were programs around it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Banning mains and mules is definately done more-often today than was in the past, but still isn't always, there are still many 'untrackabe' ways to transfer that mains are not banned from, and don't go telling me there arn't; I survived the mass-ban (was it 15,000 in a day?) that many people lost their mains in, and I still have kept a few friends who continue to macro and get away with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Their tactics have changed over the years due to better security on Jagex's part, but I agree, still more has to be done...the hardest thing to get around in the past was the sleeping bag...idk if macroers have gotten better since, but you used to have to run up to 3 programs per bot because of sleeping. Maybe bring that back? idk.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll repeat this as I do after any post I made reguarding macroing:

 

 

 

I do not macro and/or make/program macros. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea true. Most don't use normal IP's. Some use a "shock IP" too.

[Im_Rich4ever]

 

 

 

Wrong again, you CANNOT! run 30 bots on your computer at the same time. And account creators would be faulty, because Jagex makes you stop creating accounts after making around 5 in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually you can run up to like 6-12 at one time, it's called Silent Mouse, although it is pretty detectable macros are still able to have multiple accounts running at the same time.

[honeo]

 

 

 

 

Wrong again, you CANNOT! run 30 bots on your computer at the same time. And account creators would be faulty, because Jagex makes you stop creating accounts after making around 5 in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Actually you can run up to like 6-12 at one time, it's called Silent Mouse, although it is pretty detectable macros are still able to have multiple accounts running at the same time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would not name programs, it's against the rules of these fourms... anyway, never heard of it. Probably very easily detectable anyway.

[Dilts36]

Wow i didnt know they IP banned but then again if your hacking or macroing im sure these hackers know how to change there IP adress..

[pault]

 

 

 

Wrong again, you CANNOT! run 30 bots on your computer at the same time. And account creators would be faulty, because Jagex makes you stop creating accounts after making around 5 in a row.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Running 30 Runescape bots on one computer isn't impossible or even close to it. Realize that cheaters don't have to have any GUI open to run a bot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Jagex has no way of stopping people from creating as many accounts as they want. Even if they are now blocking the same IP from creating more than say five accounts in one day, cheaters could just proxy around it.