So, almost half century ago USA lost a nuclear weapon called Tybee bomb. It's not the only nuclear weapon they've lost. An unfound weapon lying somewhere at USA's soil doesn't sound too good. Not because it would be a real thread to the people living there, but because of the possibility of that happening. How can the most dangerous weapons of this planet can be lost and never be found? If accidents like this can happen in USA and they get even up to media (bet it would try to be hidden as well as possible if this kind of accident happened anywhere in this world), how many accidents like this have happened at the USSR? Probably even more than in America. How many nuclear weapons were lost during the break of USSR and during the chaos of it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If we can accidentally lose this kind of bombs, wouldn't we be able to accidentally launch them? Here's a little list of of "almost shot" things and it's pretty scary to read.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Scary to think that in our planet there's doomsday weapons which we don't know about, how some of them might be in the hands of totally wrong (even more wrong than Bush or Kim Jong Il) hands. The fear of retaliation keeps it somewhat sure that a nuclear war won't be started, but what if an accident starts it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: Wikipedia's url to the Tybee bomb http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tybee_Bomb

The Russians didn't lose any bombs in the Collapse. In fact, the first priority of all governments was to secure their nuclear arsenals and submit inventories to Moscow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the missile heads were loyal enough to Moscow to keep a powerful grip on the nuclear stockpiles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Collapse of the USSR was not that chaotic on a government level. To be honest, the government was run just like it was before, except with a President instead of a General Minister.

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

There are enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over, your not safe :uhh:

 

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

There are enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over, your not safe :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well if the world did get destroyed wouldn't that be a good thing in a sense? No more war, no more fighting, no more diesase, no more nothing.

 

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

There are enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over, your not safe :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just pretend like eyou are though, you could spend your whole life worrying and nothing could happen.

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the UK had the 3rd biggest nuclear arsenal behind USA and the Soviet Union during the cold war, wouldnt supprise me if there where some lying around here.

Well, I live next to the Bolsa Chica Wetlands (None of you know where that is so, no point in me even saying it), like right next to it, and there is this filled military bunker that was closed off by the cops, but it's supposed to have tons of old rust wwII guns and ammo in it... :uhh:

The Russians didn't lose any bombs in the Collapse. In fact, the first priority of all governments was to secure their nuclear arsenals and submit inventories to Moscow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the missile heads were loyal enough to Moscow to keep a powerful grip on the nuclear stockpiles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Collapse of the USSR was not that chaotic on a government level. To be honest, the government was run just like it was before, except with a President instead of a General Minister.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The soviets were never playing with open cards, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if they had lost some nukes during their collapse. Seriously we still probably wouldn't know about Chernobyl if Swedish and Finnish meters hadn't been flipping like crazy when the bang happened :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's some links:

 

 

 

However, the collapse of the Soviet Union resulted in large amounts of fissile material being under poor controls. From 1992 to 1996 in separate episodes smugglers were arrested in various European countries with sufficient fissile material, if taken together, to produce at least one nuclear weapon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There have been reports of poor control over some tactical nuclear weapons of the former Soviet Union in the years following its breakup. At least three unconfirmed but specific reported cases of lost control of such weapons exist.

 

 

 

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/osamanuk.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The most urgent unmet national security threat to the United States today is the danger that weapons of mass destruction or weapons-usable material in Russia could be stolen, sold to terrorists or hostile nation states, and used against American troops abroad or citizens at home.5

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The danger is not merely theoretical. A recent report by the National Intelligence Council,6 which coordinates intelligence assessments from several US government agencies, lists several cases in the past decade in which a kilogram or more of weapons-usable material has been stolen or lost, including:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* An incident in 1992, in which 1.5 kg of 90-percent enriched uranium was stolen from the Luch Production Association, in Podolsk, Russia.

 

 

 

* An incident in 1994, in which 3 kg of 90-percent enriched uranium was stolen in Moscow.

 

 

 

* A report of a theft in 1998 in Chelyabinsk Oblast, about which a Russian official stated that the amount stolen was "quite sufficient material to produce an atomic bomb". This case remains the only nuclear theft that has been so described, and the HEU has since been recovered.

 

 

 

http://www.fas.org/ssp/docs/020500-heu/intro.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's few links. Google could get you thousands more. Remember that these are only the reported ones. Knowing russian mentality it would be a bigger surprise if they reported a lost than just let it be.

Naw, people won't nuke each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back in the day, Japan had no resistance to nukes. USA could nuke all they wanted.. and killed tons of people because of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that everyone has nukes, its a resistance factor and a sucide factor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am just glad other people have nukes.. or who knows what USA may do with them :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, there is no more nuke wars, but the threat is still a possibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look on the bright side though.. if you was ever nuked, the heat would be so hot and fast you would never feel it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You basically would just wake up dead, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

Naw, people won't nuke each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back in the day, Japan had no resistance to nukes. USA could nuke all they wanted.. and killed tons of people because of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that everyone has nukes, its a resistance factor and a sucide factor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am just glad other people have nukes.. or who knows what USA may do with them :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, there is no more nuke wars, but the threat is still a possibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look on the bright side though.. if you was ever nuked, the heat would be so hot and fast you would never feel it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You basically would just wake up dead, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only threat regarding nuclear weapons would be if terrorists somehow got thier hands on one. There's this view nuclear states aspouse to called mutually assured destruction (M.A.D.) which basically means 'if you fire at us, we'll fire at you and we'll both die' which obviously no one wants, so it's not likely to happen.

If only nukes never existed in the first place *sigh* the world is a messed up place.

Naw, people won't nuke each other.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back in the day, Japan had no resistance to nukes. USA could nuke all they wanted.. and killed tons of people because of that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that everyone has nukes, its a resistance factor and a sucide factor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Does Iraq have them? No. does Iran have them? Not yet. does Afganistan have them? No. Does Israel have them? Yes. Do those countries have good relations with Israel? Definately not. It's almost a fact that USA won't use their nukes against China or Russia, but it doesn't mean they couldn't use against some country with no nukes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, there is no more nuke wars, but the threat is still a possibility.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There actually could be. North Korea for example could use their weapon against South Korea or Japan if they got attacked. I can just imagine how USA would answer to that. What about if Israel got into a really bad place with its neightbours? What if one nuclear country accidentally launched a missile to another?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look on the bright side though.. if you was ever nuked, the heat would be so hot and fast you would never feel it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea I wouldn't feel it if it exploded pretty near me. If we were talking about 10s of kilometers, I'd most likely suffer months/years/decades of cancers, burning wounds or other stuff like that. Just use the words "Hiroshima victim" at Google imagefinder if you want to see what they can cause if you are far enough to survive but not far enough to make it without any damage. I tell you it isn't a nice sign.

Thats a scary thought.... sounds like something george bush wouldve done...

The Russians didn't lose any bombs in the Collapse. In fact, the first priority of all governments was to secure their nuclear arsenals and submit inventories to Moscow.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All the missile heads were loyal enough to Moscow to keep a powerful grip on the nuclear stockpiles.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Collapse of the USSR was not that chaotic on a government level. To be honest, the government was run just like it was before, except with a President instead of a General Minister.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not even close. Just in Ukraine alone, military personnel and the mafia stole over $30 billion worth of nuclear weapons, tanks, assault helicopters etc. when the USSR collapsed, not to mention other 'satellite' nations who stole stuff as well. Nobody was 'loyal' enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And Hohto, did you watch that movie about the US marine's diving division and it's first african american diver, finding a nuclear weapon in the sea... I can't think of anything else.. How did you get the idea to make the thread :P That popped in my mind.

Thats a scary thought.... sounds like something george bush wouldve done...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So.. Who's up for helping me build a bomb shelter?

If only nukes never existed in the first place *sigh* the world is a messed up place.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Guy who invented them commited suicide. :?

Not even close. Just in Ukraine alone, military personnel and the mafia stole over $30 billion worth of nuclear weapons, tanks, assault helicopters etc. when the USSR collapsed, not to mention other 'satellite' nations who stole stuff as well. Nobody was 'loyal' enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm going to call BS. 30 billion US dollars in post-Soviet Ukraine would have been enough to buy 450-500 tanks, 22-25 top-end MiG fighters, and enough rifles for a small army. If you include 'nuclear missiles' in that shopping list, the world would be in a state of chaos trying to locate them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barihawk's right, the Russian Federation kept the same administrative routine as before the collapse, but while there weren't really any 'missile heads', missile launch and storage sites got more and more internal security personnel watching over them because of fears of destabilisation of the country. Still today they are under very strict supervision, mainly because of various fringe groups.

 

 

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

There are enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over, your not safe :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well if the world did get destroyed wouldn't that be a good thing in a sense? No more war, no more fighting, no more diesase, no more nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

disease, war, voilence is only bad if you compare it to peace, but if the world did end peace wouldnt exist, nothing that we know of would...so nothing would be good or bad....it would just "be" :?

Why would the mafia need nuclear wepons. What happened to the family! Shame on you Don Corleone, shame on ye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, i guess you're talking about the russian and ukraine mafia which are probably a lot more phychopathical than the Italian/Sicilian mafia.

the russians had a really ahrd time keeping track of all their nuclear weapons during the cold war. I wonder how many are just littered around there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But just the fact that we can lose the most deadly man made force in the world really scares me.

I wonder how many are just littered around there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Zero. I went over that.

Guys, if there was anything the Soviets did right, it was Nuclear control.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All missiles stolen were recovered with extreme predujice. The Russians took control seriously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I had to read a book from a Princeton professor about the Collapse of the Soviet Union. There's an entire chapter devoted to the nuclear threat of the collapse (ie it's nonexistance).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The book is Armageddon Averted, by Stephen Kotkin. It's used by just about every University level class on the Soviet Union.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Further proof:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If terrorists got their hands on stolen Russian nukes, they would have used them by now. If not detonating them, they would have at least used them for extortion. That has never happened anywhere worldwide.

Wow, that sucks for you Earthlings. Luckily I live on Mars.

 

 

So.... A bomb could go off any second? :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing im in the Uk i guess...

There are enough nukes to blow up the world 10 times over, your not safe :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well if the world did get destroyed wouldn't that be a good thing in a sense? No more war, no more fighting, no more diesase, no more nothing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dude, that's like, so deep.

 

 

 

Seriously, all of us dying, that's a good thing? That's [bleep]ing stupid.