ranger sets, my theory

[zman123123]

Ah I see, but surely a +5 loss can't make THAT much of a difference. Rangers already get insane bonuses already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets not get into the arguements of who gets best bonuses and such, as range has the least armors/weapons out of melee, magic, and range

[Aresgodowar]

 

Ah I see, but surely a +5 loss can't make THAT much of a difference. Rangers already get insane bonuses already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets not get into the arguements of who gets best bonuses and such, as range has the least armors/weapons out of melee, magic, and range

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

well crystal bow is considerably cheaper than a whip.. and it definantly pwns hard.

[mikehild]

And I thought I got ripped off at 4m for a set. :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently, some people have taken the 'Hold onto your robin hoot hats...' during the March BTS incorrectly. They think that it's saying that robins will be untradeable soon. Mod Mark had to correct a whole bunch of people in the forums about this. Maybe this misunderstanding has partly contributed to the recent [bleep]e in the price?

[Aresgodowar]

im thinking its either hinting at some sort of mini quest or thing having to do with robin hood. or a good ranger update. but if you look at it logically the only skill that has a req of over 70 is mage. its 70atk for whip, 70 range for cystal, but the best spell is ice barrage at 94. so there is a reason for ice barage pwning. it takes a much higher lev to use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

back to the thread...maby robin is going to introduce a new type of range armor that you have to help him make or do stuff to get. probly not the best armor but will be cool none the less.

[oddfaery2]

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but zammy coif: +9 range bonus. (Robin has a +8). (Just got the zammy coif last night in a clue FTW!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So where the hell is the market for zammy coifs people? (Robin sells sooo much faster....)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ranger sets just match and are apparently desirable even though certain items (ahem robin) are now outdated....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, Ranger boots have been increasing not because of pures, but rather the fact that more and more players are doing level 3 clues as they are more profitable. I would suggest that among the players that consistently do clues, most do level 3s. For this reason, ranger boots which were 650k for a good year or more about 16 months ago have shot up to 1.8 -2 mill or more now. (They were only 1 mill even 5-6 months ago.) Do -NOT- underestimate the effect third age has had on treasure trails... It's made people look at TTs as a worthwhile endeavor. I mean good grief, it made me finally jump on board. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ That would actually increase the supply of robin sets and hence reduce the price.. NOT increase it as you seem to suggest...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, as I read Mordendravid's post, I loled in real life because he got it wrong...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't know that ranger set went up that much! Too bad I wasn't able to afford one when they were cheap.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're going to "correct" a person then at least be correct yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

His logic is correct. In theory, more players are killing monsters for level 3 clues to get third age items, so less level 2 clues are getting done, thus, in theory, less ranger boots are coming into the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When he is talking about Ranger Boots why tell him he's wrong and discuss Robins? He said nothing about SETS, just boots alone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if more players are doing level 3 clues, the Robin was already one of the rare items obtained from them. With the huge slew of new items you can get from level 3 clues (not far from DOUBLE the previous amount of items), more players doing clues does not necessarily lead to more Robins than before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do disagree with him that less level 2 clues being done would be the ONLY thing to affect prices though. You can't totally discount demand.

[Mamong]

 

Ah I see, but surely a +5 loss can't make THAT much of a difference. Rangers already get insane bonuses already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets not get into the arguements of who gets best bonuses and such, as range has the least armors/weapons out of melee, magic, and range

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You misinterpreted what I said. By saying that, I'm saying that spending millions more for just a +5 bonus is a bit silly when a ranger can get nearish to +150 by wearing normal black d hide, an archer helm and snakeskin boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying any class has an advantage, I just see it stupid to spend a few million more for not much more of an improvement.

[icecube]

 

 

Ah I see, but surely a +5 loss can't make THAT much of a difference. Rangers already get insane bonuses already.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets not get into the arguements of who gets best bonuses and such, as range has the least armors/weapons out of melee, magic, and range

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You misinterpreted what I said. By saying that, I'm saying that spending millions more for just a +5 bonus is a bit silly when a ranger can get nearish to +150 by wearing normal black d hide, an archer helm and snakeskin boots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not saying any class has an advantage, I just see it stupid to spend a few million more for not much more of an improvement.

 

 

 

Well I personally agree that such small advantages of such items like Robin Hood over Archers Helm is really not necessary. But in certain cases, mainly staking, every little bit does help.

[T. Skill]

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but zammy coif: +9 range bonus. (Robin has a +8). (Just got the zammy coif last night in a clue FTW!)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So where the hell is the market for zammy coifs people? (Robin sells sooo much faster....)

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ranger sets just match and are apparently desirable even though certain items (ahem robin) are now outdated....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Btw, Ranger boots have been increasing not because of pures, but rather the fact that more and more players are doing level 3 clues as they are more profitable. I would suggest that among the players that consistently do clues, most do level 3s. For this reason, ranger boots which were 650k for a good year or more about 16 months ago have shot up to 1.8 -2 mill or more now. (They were only 1 mill even 5-6 months ago.) Do -NOT- underestimate the effect third age has had on treasure trails... It's made people look at TTs as a worthwhile endeavor. I mean good grief, it made me finally jump on board. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

^ That would actually increase the supply of robin sets and hence reduce the price.. NOT increase it as you seem to suggest...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Blessed D-Hide requires defense right?(correct me if some pieces don't, I'm guessing legs and vambs don't) I believe that's the reason that there's less of a market for it in the pure market being that pures tend to have 1 defense... :-w

[Chocobodude0]

irt's cause of the March behind the scenes. It said "Hold onto your Robins", so people think it's getting discontinued. it's a figure of speech. -.-

[bemiz]

it's all the pures fault, pures an autoers. They both basically ruin runescape, fluctuate prices, and all that jazz, I really wanted a robin too :(

[TheAncient]

It's not as if there has been a huge rise in staking. Staking is not the reason why Ranger sets have [bleep]ed, albeit it does play a role in keeping the prices high.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The main reason why Ranger set demand has sparked is because of insecurity over rares (which I find is ridiculous.*). Merchants are selling off their rares because of their lower demand (reasons are too complicated/numerous to explain), and need to find another item to manipulate. Since Rangers don't come into the system easily (there aren't THAT many TT farmers), their supply is relatively low and thus their demand and price are manipulatable. This [bleep]e will quickly decrease as more and more people flood into TT farming. Unless Jagex gradually lower the drop rates for these items - which is a really risky move - they will drop due to increased supply. (I'd really hate Jagex for doing that... I don't like Jagex messing around with the econ...). In this case the March BTS statement might actually have some motivation... #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Tangent - over the next year 99 capes will seem almost everyday. People will be finishing up the final "hard" 99s, such as Farming and Prayer. People can say that the demand for these "hard" 99s will increase dramatically as more and more people try to get it. You also have to take in consideration that many of the mass laborers will shift their attention, and their pay is capped at ~500K an hour (anything higher would be skilled labor... and 90% of RS is too stupid to DK, stake, merch). Due to the dramatically increased labor into these markets, they'll eventually become relatively stable as well. The desirabilty of rares will probably come back, albeit to a lesser level. And from there we still have growth.

[icat2000]

irt's cause of the March behind the scenes. It said "Hold onto your Robins", so people think it's getting discontinued. it's a figure of speech. -.-

I think this is the reason too and its created a frenzy.

[Alg]

 

irt's cause of the March behind the scenes. It said "Hold onto your Robins", so people think it's getting discontinued. it's a figure of speech. -.-

I think this is the reason too and its created a frenzy.

 

 

 

standard price manipulation there, they even added a sticky in t-trails about it

[destroyon2]

its cuz of the stupid "hold onto ur robin hats" in the bts people decided to jack up the prices=P

[Star_Fox]

its cuz of the stupid "hold onto ur robin hats" in the bts people decided to jack up the prices=P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i dont think thats the main cause.... :-k

[icecube]

Ya I think the March BTS is the main cause of the recent price increase. They may have been going up before, but most people noticed a huge increase around the time the Behind the Scenes was posted. A lot of rumors and price manipulation came from that phrase, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was the main cause.

[Greedom1]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're going to "correct" a person then at least be correct yourself.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

His logic is correct. In theory, more players are killing monsters for level 3 clues to get third age items, so less level 2 clues are getting done, thus, in theory, less ranger boots are coming into the game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When he is talking about Ranger Boots why tell him he's wrong and discuss Robins? He said nothing about SETS, just boots alone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if more players are doing level 3 clues, the Robin was already one of the rare items obtained from them. With the huge slew of new items you can get from level 3 clues (not far from DOUBLE the previous amount of items), more players doing clues does not necessarily lead to more Robins than before.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do disagree with him that less level 2 clues being done would be the ONLY thing to affect prices though. You can't totally discount demand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks -- glad you understood what I was getting at. I posted some additional thoughts on a later post on page 1. Obviously demand can be a factor here, but it seems that a lot of the market fluctuations (until the whole March BTS thing) had a bit more to do with supply than demand alone. After all, the majority of robin owners buy them for the status or speculative value, not the range bonus. Even at 2-3 mill for a robin, that extra +2 over an archer helm made demand for them almost minimal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On ranger BOOTS on the other hand, the added range bonus truly is worth the cost as there is no suitable replacement while range training. As such, even for 1-2 mill they could be considered a bargain, so it's possible that demand has more to do with their cost increase. (At least more so than the robin.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Throw a few kinks in the "normal" range set market and you can see why a few hiccups would ensue... :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, to reiterate my first point: you cannot discount the masses who may do the level one and level 2 clues in sheer number, but the "clue farmers" (as someone mentioned) are most likely the more mature/motivated players. You can only expect them to focus their attention on clues that are most profitable on average. Of course, level 3's clearly take the cake here.