Nice one Jagex-Quote DIRECTLY from Andrew

[tewas]

if everyone has an advantage, it isn't an advantage anymore >=o they should just make a world switcher themselves >=o again, bullcrap

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and the pigs will start to fly :)

 

 

 

It seems that Jagex trying to act like RIAA: Take every possible penny from customers and force users to play like bind army of clones, the way they want.

[DRUMINATOR17]

ok...i made that post when there were like 3 other posts here...now its on page 2...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even after reading all what wakka and barihawk were saying im still lost as hell...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So ill ask for it all again...IN LAYMAN's TERMS PLEASE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What exactly they hell is banned / illegal to use now and what is not?

[Smapla]

ok...i made that post when there were like 3 other posts here...now its on page 2...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even after reading all what wakka and barihawk were saying im still lost as hell...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So ill ask for it all again...IN LAYMAN's TERMS PLEASE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What exactly they hell is banned / illegal to use now and what is not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use a third party client, or design one, it can now only open up the front page of runescape.com legally. This means you have to click play>high/low detail>server page> then finally the world to get to a world. The only world selection button they are saying we can have is one that points to http://www.runescape.com. It also means that dynamic signatures are illegal, since they are not updated per each user's request. Tip.it calcs might be legal, since a user is clicking a button to initiate the request, though.

[DRUMINATOR17]

 

ok...i made that post when there were like 3 other posts here...now its on page 2...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even after reading all what wakka and barihawk were saying im still lost as hell...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So ill ask for it all again...IN LAYMAN's TERMS PLEASE!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What exactly they hell is banned / illegal to use now and what is not?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use a third party client, or design one, it can now only open up the front page of runescape.com legally. This means you have to click play>high/low detail>server page> then finally the world to get to a world. The only world selection button they are saying we can have is one that points to http://www.runescape.com. It also means that dynamic signatures are illegal, since they are not updated per each user's request. Tip.it calcs might be legal, since a user is clicking a button to initiate the request, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So That means No SS...and I gotta get another siggey...Danget Jagex!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And im sure thats prolly not all either...unfortunately :wall:

[nobahde]

God damnit my [bleep]ing bookmarks don't work!

[InkofDeath]

Next thing we're going to be told "log off after 30 minutes of playing, or be suspended," or possible "Playing runescape for more then eight hours a day will cause your account to be banned for a day,".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is up with this, seriously though. No dynamic sigs?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think jagex has become a little to greedy with money, and desn't like the fact that people are manipulating software to their advantage, and not jagexs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm predicting the account suspension for playing for eight or more hours though.

[tewas]

does tip.it calculators access only first page like they allow or page that contains information?

[Smapla]

A world switcher I made actually still works :lol: , but I'm staying off it till... well I guess for a long time :uhh:

[GMTao]

As the author of Metis, another RS client, I am *not* going to be changing my client. As Metis is an open source client, I don't see how Jagex can really stop me. Make my client illegal? Fine, but you'll alienate you customer base even further.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These recent rule changes have really driven me mad lately. Any attempts I have made to contact Jagex regarding their rules has been brushed aside with little response, or they simply give me some canned response without actually reading my complaints. I'm leaving RS forever now, my account will be canceled accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you who are interested, here's the letter I received from Jagex:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/viewarticle. ... le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, Jagex was very specific in their questions and didn't give anyone an option to specify that they would use SS or Metis for world switching. This is a complete travesty and a complete waste of time. As others have said in this thread, Jagex is just flexing their muscles again, which is a sad state of affairs.

[Smapla]

As the author of Metis, another RS client, I am *not* going to be changing my client. As Metis is an open source client, I don't see how Jagex can really stop me. Make my client illegal? Fine, but you'll alienate you customer base even further.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These recent rule changes have really driven me mad lately. Any attempts I have made to contact Jagex regarding their rules has been brushed aside with little response, or they simply give me some canned response without actually reading my complaints. I'm leaving RS forever now, my account will be canceled accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you who are interested, here's the letter I received from Jagex:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/viewarticle. ... le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, Jagex was very specific in their questions and didn't give anyone an option to specify that they would use SS or Metis for world switching. This is a complete travesty and a complete waste of time. As others have said in this thread, Jagex is just flexing their muscles again, which is a sad state of affairs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is such amazingly stupid logic... I can't... Oh my god.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there were a poll, that said what do you like about america:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

President bush

 

 

 

Freedom of speech

 

 

 

Freedom of press

 

 

 

etc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and freedom of religion wasn't on there, would it make sense to all the sudden exclude freedom of religion from the consitution? NO... So just because tip.it didn't include that option, doesn't mean people don't use "tool kits" for that reason. SO LAME

[24SE7EN]

I've read all the posts and comments, and all I can say is grow up, and get some patience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you aren't willing to make the clicks to get to a world, how on earth do you play a game where the only thing to do is click?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A world switcher, bookmarks, and other misc. programs should be the least of your problems.

[Smapla]

I've read all the posts and comments, and all I can say is grow up, and get some patience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you aren't willing to make the clicks to get to a world, how on earth do you play a game where the only thing to do is click?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A world switcher, bookmarks, and other misc. programs should be the least of your problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not going to risk a flame war and this post getting locked, so i'll restrain myself to just pointing out the idiocy of those words.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not just that we can't stand playing without world switchers, jagex is acting completely unfairly, and has really no justification for their actions. They are being sneaky and twisting things to make it look like we're asking them for these changes, just to justify their actions. If they are allowed to do things like this, it will only be a matter of time before using fan sites will be illegal. Perhaps soon contestation of jagex will result in bans. It's just not right.

[24SE7EN]

Jagex's Justification: Our game, Our rules. Don't like it, get out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: the above is not an insult or comeback.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, they have EVERY right to adjust their game the way they see fit. So unless you own stock in Jagex or program the game, there isn't a good chance these rules will be repealed.

[muggiwhplar]

Jagex's Justification: Our game, Our rules. Don't like it, get out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Gets out*

[Smapla]

 

Jagex's Justification: Our game, Our rules. Don't like it, get out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Gets out*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*jad gets bored*

[GMTao]

Jagex's Justification: Our game, Our rules. Don't like it, get out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Done. As another poster has already mentioned, I'm not going to risk a flame war here. Jagex can do what they want, but they must be prepared to live with the consequences.

[freecw]

i don't get it, why doesn't runescape just make thier own world switcher like swiftswitch, so that peole can use that instead. btw, when did they make this update? i used ss this moring and it was working fine.

[wakka102]

As the author of Metis, another RS client, I am *not* going to be changing my client. As Metis is an open source client, I don't see how Jagex can really stop me. Make my client illegal? Fine, but you'll alienate you customer base even further.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These recent rule changes have really driven me mad lately. Any attempts I have made to contact Jagex regarding their rules has been brushed aside with little response, or they simply give me some canned response without actually reading my complaints. I'm leaving RS forever now, my account will be canceled accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you who are interested, here's the letter I received from Jagex:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/viewarticle. ... le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, Jagex was very specific in their questions and didn't give anyone an option to specify that they would use SS or Metis for world switching. This is a complete travesty and a complete waste of time. As others have said in this thread, Jagex is just flexing their muscles again, which is a sad state of affairs.

JAGEX actually said that? It's interesting to see that they were using the tip.it poll instead of a poll that they issued. Very strange. They better make a post on the official site about it soon before people start getting mad again. Doesn't really bother me, the only thing that does is not allowing dynamic sigs.

[Mordendravid]

~edited for length

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For those of you who are interested, here's the letter I received from Jagex:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/viewarticle. ... le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I find it quite intriguing that Jagex refuse to acknowledge let alone endorse fan sites until such times as a poll held on tip.it works to their advantage!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: dang beaten to it by wakka by seconds :wink:

[tewas]

I've read all the posts and comments, and all I can say is grow up, and get some patience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you aren't willing to make the clicks to get to a world, how on earth do you play a game where the only thing to do is click?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A world switcher, bookmarks, and other misc. programs should be the least of your problems.

 

 

 

do you know that that is annoying and that i play this game not because of clicking, but because i have fun. for each mouse click i type 3-4 letters. I talk with people. Another thing is that Jagex is taking choice of how we play this game, now only world switcher, next month length of time, latter you will have to use only one browser (IE, because it lets pop-ups to come to your machine and make money for companies and jagex). It's easy to take only one freedom, because people get used to that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry this is not how company that cares about customers should act.

[nobahde]

I've read all the posts and comments, and all I can say is grow up, and get some patience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you aren't willing to make the clicks to get to a world, how on earth do you play a game where the only thing to do is click?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A world switcher, bookmarks, and other misc. programs should be the least of your problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I always went to world select before using one of my bookmarked worlds(which were all the ones that were "FULL" very often)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SORRY IF I DON'T ENJOY SPENDING 20 MINS TO GET INTO SOME WORLDS

[look_its_rob]

Dear Author,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We would like to inform you that we have updated rule 7, particularly

 

 

 

the part about what 3rd party toolkits can and cannot do. Please read

 

 

 

the updated rule, and make sure your software complies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In particular we are now explicitly disallowing 'world switching'

 

 

 

(linking directly to our game worlds and bypassing the normal navigation

 

 

 

of our websites), as we feel this does much more harm than good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A recent (independent) tip.it poll had the following response:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you use one, what is the MAIN reason you use a toolkit program to

 

 

 

play RuneScape?

 

 

 

The built-in chat program *14%* (1063 votes)

 

 

 

Capturing and saving screenshots *10%* (764 votes)

 

 

 

Easy highscore and level lookup *29%* (2199 votes)

 

 

 

Help tools, like guides and calcs *34%* (2559 votes)

 

 

 

Other *13%* (1015 votes)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You will notice that there isn't any mention of 'world switching' at

 

 

 

all. And indeed 87% of people voted for other reasons as to why they use

 

 

 

toolkits. Since it's actually the world switching part of these toolkits

 

 

 

which causes us the most concern, and since it seem most users don't

 

 

 

actually want that feature anyway, we've decided to just disallow that

 

 

 

part.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've carefully phrased the rule such that the other popular features

 

 

 

should still be possible, but the feature which is causing us damage (by

 

 

 

bypassing adverts, and by increasing bandwidth load on our servers)

 

 

 

isn't. Hopefully this way we get the best possible compromise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Since the game already has a time limit on how fast you can switch

 

 

 

worlds, the "world switching" feature only seems to serve to bypass our

 

 

 

adverts, or make busy worlds easier to enter - neither of which is a

 

 

 

good thing. Hence why we are now disallowing it entirely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So in summary please read the updated rule 7, hopefully it makes

 

 

 

everything clear. You should read the entire FULL version of the rule by

 

 

 

following this link to ensure that you are fully compliant.

 

 

 

http://kbase.runescape.com/vie.....le_id=2077

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yours sincerely

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris Rayner

 

 

 

Jagex Ltd

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only part about that i liked is jagex is looking at tip.it, even if they are looking at it to hurt us.( geeeze i know they arnt doing it to hurt us)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've read all the posts and comments, and all I can say is grow up, and get some patience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you aren't willing to make the clicks to get to a world, how on earth do you play a game where the only thing to do is click?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A world switcher, bookmarks, and other misc. programs should be the least of your problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your braking a rule with your sig right now "buddy".

[GMTao]

JAGEX actually said that? It's interesting to see that they were using the tip.it poll instead of a poll that they issued. Very strange. They better make a post on the official site about it soon before people start getting mad again. Doesn't really bother me, the only thing that does is not allowing dynamic sigs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No word of a lie, that's directly the email I received from Jagex this afternoon.

[24SE7EN]

 

 

 

Your braking a rule with your sig right now "buddy".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the website (runeweb, draynor) who pings runescape.com every five minutes for stat updates for a dynamic sig is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't try to put it on my and make me look like a hypocrit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's jagexs job to get rid of problem, and untill they do, I'll use the sig.

[muggiwhplar]

 

 

 

 

Your braking a rule with your sig right now "buddy".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, the website who pings runescape.com every five minutes for stat updates for a dynamic sig is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't try to put it on my and make me look like a hypocrit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's jagexs job to get rid of problem, and untill they do, I'll use the sig.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In that case I'll keep using SS and justify my actions with, "It's Jagex's job to get rid of the problem, and until they do, I'll use SS"