Nice one Jagex-Quote DIRECTLY from Andrew

[Coandca5]

Jagex pulled on over on us, probably causing some idiot pures to riot, again..Read below

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* If must not encourage rule-breaking or endanger users.

 

 

 

* It must not contain adverts or links to websites which encourage rule-breaking or endanger users.

 

 

 

* It must not automatically request pages/content from our website or otherwise make excessively bandwidth intensive requests from our servers (each page/content request should only be in direct response to a user request each time).

 

 

 

* It must not bypass the normal navigation of our website. The software should initially only point at the front page of http://www.runescape.com, and should require the user to navigate through the website normally to reach the game worlds. The software must not contain direct links to our "Select a world" page, or to our game world pages, or to the RuneScape applet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

* It must not hide or encourage the hiding of any of the adverts on our website. To avoid encouraging users to hide the advert above the game the pane displaying pages from our website must default to at least 630 pixels high (if viewed on a screen with a resolution higher than 800x600), and it must not be possible to resize it to less height than that. i.e. the page must be displayed in such a way that both the game and advert are fully visible at the same time.

 

 

 

* It must not attempt to make it easier to enter a busy RuneScape world than it would be for users not using the software. It must not allow worlds marked as 'FULL' on the world select page to be selected. It must not contain any features to make it easier to enter or monitor busy worlds.

 

 

 

* If the software has its own integrated chat feature, separate from the RuneScape chat, it should make it very clear to users that this chat is not part of RuneScape and is not official, endorsed or moderated by Jagex in any way. Furthermore, this chat should still be moderated (just not by us), and the moderators should not allow chat which infringes our rules of conduct. To avoid confusion with the official RuneScape chat, moderators of the external chat should not be indicated with a silver or gold crown. If the chat is IRC based, then the software should only allow access to IRC channels which conform with the above.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, you cannot use stat lookups anymore like Dynamic sigs, tip.it's calcs, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

We recently made some slight changes to rule 7. This has been done for a very specific reason to solve a particular (very bad) problem which occurred. (more info on that in my 2nd post below)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We've been careful to make the minimal change to solve just the problem that occurred, and to make sure the change doesn't impact further than necessary. Some people seem to think this rule change will have big impact, but it shouldn't really, and hopefully in a few days time that will be clear. We are already working with other people to make sure we aren't accidentally disallowing things we didn't mean to. It's only really a couple of very specific problems we are trying to avoid.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's not a lot to add here in terms of clarification of the rule because the rule is already written as clearly as we can manage. (if there were further things we thought we could say to make it clearer we'd put them in the rule itself). So all I can do is suggest you carefully read the rule. It should make sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Important: Please note that the 'no advertising' rule applies to these forums as always. Threads which advertise or discuss third party websites or software will therefore be removed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A few people are asking why we didn't post about this on the front page, or post a sticky sooner.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason is very simple. Before we made a big public announcement about it we wanted to contact the relevant fansites directly (which we have done), and give them a chance to respond.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And no we haven't been banning people related to this change. Of course not - that would be silly given we only just made it and nobody has had a chance to react yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've also noticed lots of people ranting about us disallowing things, which in fact the rule doesn't even mention or cover. For example people saying "But I really wanted that screenshot feature". Um the rule doesn't even mention screenshots!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please read the rule carefully, before complaining, and check what you are complaining about is REALLY disallowed, because in over half of the posts I'm seeing people aren't even reading the rule, and are complaining about something we haven't even prevented.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The main thing we're trying to do is make it clear we don't like badly written tools which load pages/content off our website over and over again, and make it slower for everyone else. Tools that do that will need to be changed. At one point over HALF of the page hits on our website were coming from such automated lookups rather than real people. e.g. <1% of the people were using 50% of the bandwidth! So you can surely see why we would object to that. In most cases the function actually desired is still possible, the software just needs to be changed slightly to not waste resources so badly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Most calculators aren't affected at all as they only do one lookup per user request. Some dynamic sig generators which hit our site over and over again are affected, but can easily be changed to only recalculate the sig in response to the sig owner pressing a button, (rather than doing it repeatedly every minute whether they need to or not).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know conspiracy theories can be fun, but not everybody has sinister motives!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex, nice one

[blink182rocker]

wtf :(

[Abyssalwhip]

Explains why my bookmarked world 2 isn't working... Hello 30mins for w2 :ohnoes:

[Dead_Dude4]

I don't see why it's a problem at all :-k

[Guest]

GET OVER IT AND USE THEIR CLIENT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jesus

[tewas]

looks like jagex becoming less user friendly company. It will only hurt them in long run ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: @Trixtar, i do NOT want that Jagex will tell me how to play. next thing you know it will implement auto log-off after hour of constant playing. Sorry but thats not their business if i use direct or indirect access to their worlds or their pages.

[Soma2035]

looks like jagex becoming less user friendly company. It will only hurt them in long run ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: @Trixtar, i do NOT want that Jagex will tell me how to play. next thing you know it will implement auto log-off after hour of constant playing. Sorry but thats not their business if i use direct or indirect access to their worlds or their pages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So should it also be none of their business that people use autos to play?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There has to be limits on how people can use other software. Jagex has made these restrictions clear now. That is all.

[wolfmon56]

Tip it calcs are not illegal, and they'd never know if you used them anyways. SS is kinda Illegal, but strider is fixing that ASAP! Strider knows Jagex very well, and anything jagex changes, strider will change as fast as he can. So basicly you can use SS, unless strider says not to. We all know Strider has said runescape understands SS and trys to keep that legal, but he must also take part in that job.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~wolf

[rhan_wolf]

I guess i understand them wanting to limmit some types of software such as ss. But no more world 2 as a favorite. thats a little harsh. If we are lucky they may change some of their restrictions though.

[whizkid338]

All these new rules about how people can play the game will just hurt them. This also means that no one is allowed to post urls of stuff on the Runescape site for people to find it!! They have to give instructions to get to it!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is trying to kill themselves.

[wakka102]

GET OVER IT AND USE THEIR CLIENT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jesus

It's not the client that bothers me, its the dymanic sigs, whats so wrong with them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was just about to post on this myself. All I used ss for was the auto cropping but I figured out a better way to do it so I don't need it anymore.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, how can they tell if you access it through favorites? your still accessing it through a certain client (ie or firefox) and thats the way its going to look.

[tewas]

 

looks like jagex becoming less user friendly company. It will only hurt them in long run ;)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: @Trixtar, i do NOT want that Jagex will tell me how to play. next thing you know it will implement auto log-off after hour of constant playing. Sorry but thats not their business if i use direct or indirect access to their worlds or their pages.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So should it also be none of their business that people use autos to play?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There has to be limits on how people can use other software. Jagex has made these restrictions clear now. That is all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you do know difference between bookmarking worlds, using Firefox or dynamic stats and cheating.

 

 

 

Now jagex wants you to use runescape by their rules, and i don't mean game, but how you play. I don't like click 55 times in that site (which needs serious improvement on navigation) just to find my world. I do wanna use information that they provide without going there. I think this is different than cheating in game and getting unfair advantage. Community should not follow it's slowest member, it should try to keep up with leaders, and this is natural selection. If someone is to young or dumb, then they should not play, but Jagex should never limit me how to play this game.

[wakka102]

Wow rsc is in a frenzy :lol: . It's just that jagex banned almost everything here. 3rd parties, dynamic sigs, stat sigs, everything...

[Lep]

I'm confused, wasn't this rule always there?

[handman003]

yeah, the client i use (a legal one) quit working today. something about being unable to access the server list... #-o

[Barihawk]

I think it's funny how you complain about blocking advertisements. You are screwing Jagex out of money by blocking those. Hell, you should be banned for using a program that does that.

[wakka102]

I think it's funny how you complain about blocking advertisements. You are screwing Jagex out of money by blocking those. Hell, you should be banned for using a program that does that.

I Agree with you. but banning stat sigs? whats up with that?....

[Barihawk]

 

I think it's funny how you complain about blocking advertisements. You are screwing Jagex out of money by blocking those. Hell, you should be banned for using a program that does that.

I Agree with you. but banning stat sigs? whats up with that?....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, they steal bandwidth by making constant pings against the highscores server. I think it's fair. Calculators are actually legal from the above rules, because they only ping the server once. Dynamic stat signatures are constantly contacting the highscores servers.

[wakka102]

 

 

I think it's funny how you complain about blocking advertisements. You are screwing Jagex out of money by blocking those. Hell, you should be banned for using a program that does that.

I Agree with you. but banning stat sigs? whats up with that?....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To be honest, they steal bandwidth by making constant pings against the highscores server. I think it's fair. Calculators are actually legal from the above rules, because they only ping the server once. Dynamic stat signatures are constantly contacting the highscores servers.

well these have been in place forever, I havent seen a problem so far so why would there suddenly be a problem now?

[Barihawk]

They either just realized that the dynamic sigs were causing high bandwidth (that they have to pay for), or they held off on adding to the rules until they posted the rest of this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, you can see that Dynamic sigs are costing JaGEx money.

[DRUMINATOR17]

BASICALLY....what i got out of this is the following...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jagex is basically taking back another set of statements that they gave out before...which is what strider obeyed, and then and "fixed" swiftswitch with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yet again they are trying to show how they dissapprove of all this 3rd party mumbo jumbo and I would take a guess they have prolly seen the more recent versions of swiftswitch and realise how he listened to what they asked yet still kept it as close as possible to the way it was before he was force to changed things.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So now its just gonna cut all things out now...jagex is watching their words even better now to ensure that they leave no room for loopholes there for strider.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All of which i mention above is complete BS on Jagex's part because they only 3rd party clients they should worry about are the autoers programs and what not...yet they focus in on Ss...wtf is that :-k

[tewas]

what about bookmarking? we used to do that and today we can't.

 

 

 

Also if they crying for bandwidth, then why they need to force to navigate each user via series of pages, it takes much more than simple ping with text data that dynamic signs uses. I don't think it's a purely bandwidth problem, or they didn't thought that opening pages will create much traffic.

[Smapla]

Bullcrap

[wakka102]

Jagex are making some poor decisions here, they will lose a lot of business over it (yes a lot of people like ss THAT much). Also, they lied to the fan base and then didn't announce the changes. Hopefully they will make a post on it soon?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they outlawed screenshot posting and video posting as well....

[Smapla]

if everyone has an advantage, it isn't an advantage anymore >=o they should just make a world switcher themselves >=o again, bullcrap