Communism - Yea or Nay?

Communism is a very controversial topic, simply due to its past failures and reputations brought upon by nations. I'm asking you to dissociate the synonymy of "bad" or "evil" from communism and try to give a thought-out opinion, taking in the facts, the benefits and the downsides.

Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in human society, following a socialist stage, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution. "Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life.

 

 

 

As a political ideology, Communism is usually considered to be a branch of socialism; a broad group of economic and political philosophies that draw on the various political and intellectual movements with origins in the work of theorists of the Industrial Revolution and the French Revolution.[4] Communism attempts to offer an alternative to the problems with the capitalist market economy and the legacy of imperialism and nationalism. Marx states that the only way to solve these problems is for the working class (proletariat), who according to Marx are the main producers of wealth in society and are exploited by the Capitalist-class (bourgeoisie), to replace the bourgeoisie as the ruling class in order to establish a free society, without class or racial divisions.[2] The dominant forms of communism, such as Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism and Trotskyism are based on Marxism, but non-Marxist versions of communism (such as Christian communism and anarcho-communism) also exist.

[hide=Personally]Personally, I am not willing to sacrifice my economic and social freedom for the welfare of my citizens. A capitalist economy works out fine for the United States, and becoming "something" is still a dream many people hold in the back of their minds. So I'm going to have to say nay.[/hide]

In theory it sounds amazing and leads to an almost perfect society of equality but to be true it isn't, why should someone who works hard and spends years in education receive the same pay as someone with no qualifications who stacks shelves for a living? Although it comes about democratically there's been no instance to date where it continued democratically without corruption occurring.

Keep capitalism as it is, those who work hard reap the rewards, those who sit back throughout life don't, that's the highest form of equality as I'm concerned.

I'm an advocate of Communism, but not the purest form in the Marxian sense. More like the workings of the Soviet Union. The basics, I think, are the same; classless, equal society, but there are major differences; state control, actual state existance. So your Wikipedia quote I feel is good; Stalinism as a form of Communism based upon Marxism, but not strictly adhering to it.

Is society really equal though Lenin when someone who does little work is paid the same as someone who works in a job requiring immense qualifications and holds huge responsibilities?

Is society really equal though Lenin when someone who does little work is paid the same as someone who works in a job requiring immense qualifications and holds huge responsibilities?

It only sounds normal to all of us now because that's the way things have been lately. It wasn't always like that and yet we were still having technological advances.

Nay. Just look at Runescape. There's price manipulators everywhere. Trade freedom has been cut in half because of RWT.

The world is full of scumbags and [wagon]. Loopholes are why communism, even if applied without treating the population like dirt, fails and will fail.

Communism sounds great if you just heard about it, but in theory too many people took advantage no matter what. Communism affects everything, even the horrible watch I got from China that lasted 10 minutes until it stopped working :roll: I'm sorry, but Utopia just isn't gonna happen; not now, not ever.

I'm sorry, but Utopia just isn't gonna happen; not now, not ever.

When I become emperor, you die first.

I'm sorry, but Utopia just isn't gonna happen; not now, not ever.

 

When I become emperor, you die first.

Ironic. :|

No, charity to the less fortunate should come from the heart not because a government forces you.

In theory it sounds amazing and leads to an almost perfect society of equality but to be true it isn't, why should someone who works hard and spends years in education receive the same pay as someone with no qualifications who stacks shelves for a living? Although it comes about democratically there's been no instance to date where it continued democratically without corruption occurring.

 

 

 

Keep capitalism as it is, those who work hard reap the rewards, those who sit back throughout life don't, that's the highest form of equality as I'm concerned.

Agreed. There's really not much more to be said.

The furthest I'd go down the communism path would be a little bit of socialism.

Nay. Just look at Runescape. There's price manipulators everywhere. Trade freedom has been cut in half because of RWT.

I stopped reading here. I've argued this half a dozen times in the General Board - RuneScape is not Communism.

"Communism is a nice theory, but..."

But what? Have you noticed how many people keep saying this? They believe it's nice, but they think others will make it fail. It is this attitude that makes it fail. If people were less realistic, we would have a lot better reality!

"Communism is a nice theory, but..."

 

 

 

But what? Have you noticed how many people keep saying this? They believe it's nice, but they think others will make it fail. It is this attitude that makes it fail. If people were less realistic, we would have a lot better reality!

But someone does always make it fail. You can't tell me that there won't be atleast one corrupt person in the government that steals money from citizens. It's also not fair that a doctor has to have the same pay as a cashier.

I'm a socialist, but that's because I don't pay any of my taxes.

I'm an advocate of Communism, but not the purest form in the Marxian sense. More like the workings of the Soviet Union. The basics, I think, are the same; classless, equal society, but there are major differences; state control, actual state existance. So your Wikipedia quote I feel is good; Stalinism as a form of Communism based upon Marxism, but not strictly adhering to it.

How are you going to realise that and protect human rights at the same time?

"Communism is a nice theory, but..."

 

 

 

But what? Have you noticed how many people keep saying this? They believe it's nice, but they think others will make it fail. It is this attitude that makes it fail. If people were less realistic, we would have a lot better reality!

No its just deep down they know its going to be a horrible system. :P

Marxism removes the greed factor of our labour and in essence is removing one of humanity's natural sentiments. The only place I could see true communism work is in a rural pre-industrialized nation in the middle of nowhere. In Western countries we have all sorts of jobs that need more work than others. No one would do these 'harder jobs' because they're going to get paid the same way so everybody will stick with the easier jobs, thus not advancing the human race. No ones gonna bother making new things if they won't get any personal gain from it, nor design something, nor update something.

Communism looks awful in paper for humanity as a whole.

I smell a troll not avery good discussion.

I'm an advocate of Communism, but not the purest form in the Marxian sense. More like the workings of the Soviet Union. The basics, I think, are the same; classless, equal society, but there are major differences; state control, actual state existance. So your Wikipedia quote I feel is good; Stalinism as a form of Communism based upon Marxism, but not strictly adhering to it.

 

 

 

How are you going to realise that and protect human rights at the same time?

Simple: I don't.

Nay. Just look at Runescape. There's price manipulators everywhere. Trade freedom has been cut in half because of RWT.

 

I stopped reading here. I've argued this half a dozen times in the General Board - RuneScape is not Communism.

And that's where you should've kept reading, because nowhere in my post did I compare Runescape to Communism.

Nay. Just look at Runescape. There's price manipulators everywhere. Trade freedom has been cut in half because of RWT.

 

I stopped reading here. I've argued this half a dozen times in the General Board - RuneScape is not Communism.

 

And that's where you should've kept reading, because nowhere in my post did I compare Runescape to Communism.

Yeah, you explicitly implied Runescapes economy to be Communist, where its really no where near. Runescape's economy is more capitalist than anything else.

I said Runescape was full of abusers.

"Nay. Just look at Runescape. There's price manipulators everywhere. Trade freedom has been cut in half because of RWT.

The world is full of scumbags and [wagon]. Loopholes are why communism, even if applied without treating the population like dirt, fails and will fail."

It's neither explicit nor implied.

I said Runescape was full of abusers.

 

"Nay. Just look at Runescape. There's price manipulators everywhere. Trade freedom has been cut in half because of RWT.

 

The world is full of scumbags and [wagon]. Loopholes are why communism, even if applied without treating the population like dirt, fails and will fail."

 

It's neither explicit nor implied.

It's poor wording implying a comparison of the loopholes of communism to that of RS.

Communism not only is terrible, not only is impossible (all deviations from Marxism are Socialism), but it's a topic that needs to be left in the past, and advocates of it are either a) looking for attention, or B) have no idea what they are advocating.

I have a friend from the DDR (GDR, East Germany), and I can tell you that no matter how much he may reminisce on the old times. On the meetings everyday after school in the young socialist pioneers, to the events put on by all of the older youth in their blue uniforms in the FDJ (Friere Deutsch Jugend), and the frequent reminders of the Stasi (1 informant to every 66 persons)*, who might be your neighbour, watching and recording every person who walks into your house, or your antenna pointing towards the BR (West Germany). That when that the wall came down, they wouldn't dare turn back. That they may finally watch West German TV, may finally burn those Honecker portraits, may finally live without, and have access to, the Stasi and its mountains of files on every person.

*Soviet Union KGB 1:5300, Third Reich Gestapo 1:1200

Only if anarchy is also implemented.Can't stand guys at the top doing nothing but "supervise".