September 5, 200916 yr It's been a while since I started TD's. My first trip there was the day after the quest came out (I believe it was Thanksgiving '08). After the silent update in December '08, I had gotten what I estimate to be 400+ kills, with only a lump drop. After dying once at DK's for over 25m (friend had no pray, so he couldn't bless, and we couldn't get back in time) in May 12, 2009, I went back to TD's, seeing it as the only way to get back that 20m painlessly. Shocked, after 3 kills, I got a claw drop. Since then, I found out that TD's are the best monster hunting money maker in game besides Corporeal Beast, which is debatable depending how lucky you are. Dry streaks came and went, and after my 5th claw, and over 200 dry kills, I decided to start logging my kills. I now have a semi-accurate estimate of how often claws are dropped. I will post this and my BoB at the end of my post. But enough of my talking - I'll let the pictures tell the story: Sunday, November 20, 2008 My first drop at TD's. I was able to sell this guy for 10m in GE, a huge profit at that time. I got my second shard just a few hours after the first one. I was so happy. Sadly, I couldn't manage to sell this one until it was about 5m. I was still quite happy at the time being. Sunday, December 7, 2008 My first claw drop ever. :) I was excited, as I was able to trade a Dragon Plate I smithed early on for a 3rd Age Mage Top, one of the item's I really wanted. I ended up selling this really early for a 3rd Age Mage Bottom, just to get one of the Armor sets I wanted for so long. [hide=The Trades and The Armor] [/hide] As I said earlier, there was a long time and a long dry streak that passed. But eventually... Monday, March 2, 2009 I didn't really slay TD's everyday or anything. I did, however, run a few trips a week in December and January. It's all a blur really, but I remember when this drop came, I was both upset and happy. I don't remember the price of claws at the time, but a drop is a drop. I did most of my dry kills in this spot, and for some reason, I grew a believe that this spot is extremely unlucky. Clearly, however, this is, strategically, the best spot in all of the Guthix Temple (ignoring the current nerfs as of today due to the Game Engine), and if you ever want to go TD hunting, I highly suggest you do it here. In the end, most of my claw drops were at this spot too. And then came that dreaded death at TD's. Over a 20m loss (Ranger Boots and Armadyl Plate, and Guthan, Fury - I don't even know what else). [hide=The Death][/hide] Traumatized, I headed back to TD's. And then... Tuesday, May 12, 2009 Three kills in. Surprisingly, I was about to just leave and say screw it. I couldn't take any more TD's after how many kills I did (which, at present day, I don't think was too much). But I ended up selling this baby for a good amount of money, putting me 3m up on my death. [hide=The Sale][/hide] I did decide to do some more trips some other day. So a little later... Wednesday, May 13, 2009 I was pretty happy. A free lump (my second) never hurt. A month passed. I don't really remember how it went. Finals started coming up and teachers crammed final projects. I probably didn't TD that much. After school ended... Sunday, June 21, 2009 All I can say is I was shocked. A claw so soon. Just in 2 kills. And that's when I realized - the drop rate of claws isn't bad at all. I just had a rough time between my first and second claws. I was shocked. And since it was summer, I had all the time I could get to make TD trips. I ran off quickly to sell this pair, and my serious TD Trips started. Wednesday, June 24, 2009 My only duo drop ever. It wasn't bad. A free million or so. I actually never gone back to duoing (I determine solo to be worth a lot more - you get all drops and ridiculous charms), and I hope to convince you why you should solo by the end of this thread. :P This would also be my only slice for a longgggggggggggg time. Sunday, June 28, 2009 After a long Saturday of doing trip after trip, a little past midnight, I got my 4th claw drop. I was extremely happy. This allowed me to buy a zgs and sgs at the same time I believe. This is, to date, my favorite claw drop as well, because of the view I had on my camera when I took the shot (look how damn perfect it looks there :P ). I continued using the spot I used on claws #4 because it provided 100% security from any other TD's (except southeast, should you grab your drop at the wrong time). I went on a week of vacation (sweeeeeeet!), and when I got back on Monday, July 6, 2009, I headed straight to TD's. It did get a bit rough. On the 9th of July, I died at TD's due to a disconnect. I was unable to get my internet up until 15 minutes later, and ended up losing full Void. [hide=The Death][/hide] I was pissed off. And after heading to PC, I realized how much of a pain in the [wagon] it was to get Void. This could've been the end of my TD journey. But instead, I decided to use dragonhide and head back. And on the following Saturday... Saturday, July 11, 2009 This wasn't my favorite of drops. It took quite a while to get that claw. And after losing Void, I didn't think any amount of claws could make up for the loss. I slowly ditched this spot for the north center spot - the best TD spot - and the spot I got my first lump at. Oh it was bad. My luck was awful. I did hundreds of TD kills that week. Finally, on Friday, I started to log my kills. I'll post this log at the end of my post. And on that same Friday, on the 5th drop after I started the log. Friday, July 17, 2009 Another shard. -.- God knows how I felt. Relieve, as I finally got a drop. But anger, as it was my 4th fragment drop in this spot. With no claws at all. Ugh. But the story goes on. I did manage to finally completely finish my Void set near the end of that day. And the next day... Saturday, July 18, 2009 WHOOOOOOOOOOOO! I flipped out. Claws #6. Finally. OMG. I was really happy. God knows how happy. But this isn't the highlight of my drop log. But I did notice a pattern. Did you? I got all of my claw drops on a weekend. Scroll up, will ya? My first claws was on a Sunday. Second one, on a Sunday. Third one, on a Sunday. Fourth one, on a Sunday, a little past midnight. Fifth one, on a Saturday. Sixth one, on a Saturday. "What the hell?" I thought. So I plotted. I did continue my TD Trips. But instead, I made sure that I did more trips on Saturday. It seemed to be my lucky day. "Weird, but it just might be the trick." And with more casual TD hunting... Friday, July 24, 2009 Shard #4. After pretty casual slaying. Hmmm... This might've been the trick, I thought. A shard exactly 1 week after my last shard. Wowza! And the day after... Saturday, July 25, 2009 My seventh pair. One week after. I found the gold. I found the secret. Not. The claws every Saturday didn't work out. I stopped going to TD's the next week, and only did one trip on the following Saturday. I got nothing. Ah well. I completely left TD's for a week. I saw a lot of people hit it big. One claw out of nowhere. In like one trip. And I wondered if that would work? Is it that casual slayers always get the big drops? Possibly. So I decided on a Tuesday to go back. And alas... Tuesday, August 11, 2009 #8! And with such little effort! I was so happy. I'm going to skip my 9th and 10th claw drops. They came shortly after the 8th. But boy. After the 10th claw drop, I had hit rock bottom. The claws came really fast. And I hit the dreaded dry streak again. Boy it was a pain. I did manage to get 90 Summoning and 90 Prayer after my 10th Claws. I refused to get it before my 10th claws. Why? I'll tell you right here - you don't need a Unicorn Stallion to kill TD's. You don't even need a Tortoise or a Titan. Look at my Claws #2-8. What did I use? A bunyip. A bunyip is more than you need to do TD's. If you want to kill TD's, it's more important about how fast you kill them, instead of how many you kill (which is why I also switched to a GS instead of a Dragon Halberd). But I got it anyway. I had banked the charms a long time ago. And by getting it, I doubled the amount I could kill in one trip. [hide=90 Prayer and Summoning] [/hide] But as I said, I hit a dry streak. A long one. It didn't take that long to get a drop after 90 Summon, as practically everything I did in RuneScape was hunt TD's at that point. But timewise, and energywise, it took a huge toll on me. Eventually... Thursday, August 20, 2009 My first solo slice drop. Despite the amount of kills I had to go for it (200+), I was extremely happy. My first solo slice. It was a great feeling. Anyway, not too long after (practically a few hours)... My 11th pair of claws! It was a great feeling. After about 250+ dry kills (well of claws, I did get that slice about 50 kills ago or so), I finally got my first pair with a Unicorn. And then... Another dry streak. No need for over-dramatization this time. It was 200+ kills, but I can't say I didn't see it coming. It was slightly better than my last dry streak anyway. Monday, August 31, 2009 I need to start healthier 'Scape habits haha. This one was also after midnight. Claws #12, another great one. And that's the end of my log... Or not. Remember how I skipped Claws #9 and #10. Well here they are. Friday, August 14, 2009 All in 1 trip. All consecutive drops. This is why I TD. This is proof, that TD's are the best money in game by Monster Hunting. And this is why you shouldn't duo TD's specifically for money. And this is why a Bunyip works just as effectively as a Unicorn if you know what you're doing. This is why you shouldn't teleport after a drop. This was probably the climax of my TD hunting career. I was amazed. You can just look at the screenshots at my PMs. It was amazing. This is why you shouldn't give up your hope in TD's. I'm not saying you should sacrifice your health and well-being in real life for TD's. But give TD's a chance, they will give you what you want. Here's the screenshot of the price-check of that trip at the time: I did end up teleporting because I started to lag and I wasn't in the mood to die with 2 claws and a lump drop. I hope I convinced you. But don't worry. That's not the end of it. There's more... Monday, August 31, 2009 My #13 and #14 claw drops, respectively. Yes, I did, in fact, get another double claw trip. I don't feel it's as amazing as the last one - I don't think I will ever be as amazed again as that trip. These came about 1 hour apart. The 14th was going to be my last kill. I decided to stay 1 more after that claw, but I had no luck. That, is my TD Drop Log. Now I know I promised a drop log of all my drops and drop rates. Since I know many people are dying for the real drop rate of claws... I have a total of 916 recorded, with a median kill of 2 minutes and 55 seconds. Now, just a bit of analysis for all of you. You can skip this if you're sick of me talking, but I feel like getting this off my chest. :P Although it shows up at 1/101.7, my drop rate for claws has fluctuated from anywhere from 1/80 to 1/150. I cannot give you an accurate calculation - but they aren't as rare as some of you may think, and they aren't as common as others may think. Thing is, according to Jagex, drops are split into one random wheel, and another "rarer" wheel. Everything in that "rarer" wheel includes everything under Sharks, as well as other drops like adamant javelins, Dragon Meds, Steel Arrows, uncuts, and a lot of other random stuff that I can't think of. If you want a realistic estimate, I believe the drop rate of Rune Meds, Rune Chains, Prayer Potions, and Dragon Claws is all equal. One time in my log I had more Claws, another I had less. I ended up with less. Ruined Fragments are a totally different thing, and they are much rarer than the other 4 items. I think all 3 fragments added together have half the drop rate of Claws (according to my log anyway). There is also the crap that no one wants, like half keys and Dragonstones, and uncuts, and other junk. This log was all done without Ring of Wealth. Ring of Wealth increases your chance of rarer drops. I'm guessing that means Ruined Fragments and all the other rare crap, but I cannot confirm this. If you want to log the drops yourself with RoW, feel free to. Here is the graphical list of the all the drops. I circled all the good drops because I know your eyes will hurt trying to find out otherwise. :P Watch out - it stretches the screen: [hide=Graphical List][/hide] I'm not gonna copy the whole written drop list of my drops, but here are the dragon drops: 5. Ruined Dragon Shard 108. Dragon Claws 207. Ruined Dragon Shard 270. Dragon Claws 350. Dragon Claws 363. Dragon Claws 364. Ruined Dragon Lump 365. Dragon Claws 568. Ruined Dragon Slice 612. Dragon Claws 834. Dragon Claws 892. Dragon Claws 911. Dragon Claws Note I started this log after my 5th pair of claws. And without further adieu, what most people love seeing: [hide=Latest Bank Picture][/hide] I will tell you right now, I am ridiculously OCD about doubles, and I find it really hard to sell them. :-# And just for the laughs! :D [hide=Other Deaths]Just a note - I recovered all my stuff from these deaths. ;) Was screwing around, and ended up getting KO'd haha. Had my left click option for my unicorn as "Take BoB". Couldn't heal... So... :lol:[/hide] And what turned me off so badly in my tough times. :wall: [hide=Ridiculously Rare Drops] I've had multiple uncut's before I started logging drops. I never screenied them however, because I never knew they were that rare. :o[/hide] With the recent update to the Game Engine, the north center spot is hard to lure with (you can still do it if the TD change to the melee attack style). I have started duoing instead (for fun, as I do believe it is awful money). I have 150 duo kills logged, but I have had no "rare" drops besides a half key, rune chainbody, dragonstone, and 3 prayer potion drops. Well, that's my story. I thank you all of you who read this whole post. It took several hours to compile this, put it all together, post it, and [somewhat] proofread it, so I appreciate all posts. I would love if all of you could post, but I won't, and cannot, force you too. :P Feel free to ask any questions - about TD's, life (might not be able to help you here :lol: ), or anything else. I tend to not post my inventory pictures - I personally believe everyone should have the experience (whether you believe it's fun or not) to learn how to kill a monster the best way by themself. I do get about 32 kills a trip with a Unicorn, but I do not push myself to do more. In advance, if I ever met any of you at TD's, and I was rude, I apologize. I have gone through bad days, and occasionally get it out on players who aren't very experienced at TD's. I posted this thread because I am planning on taking a break from members once school starts, and this is basically what I've accomplished this summer. Once again, thanks for reading! ~ illicit_fun
September 5, 200916 yr Amazing drops. Your bank is amazing too. I gabbed over it :shock: What's your set-up and do you wear a ring of wealth? Grats man, I wish I was that luck! http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt206/samtheninja/Tags/FEARLESStag.jpg http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy156/song4thedeaf/stuff.png what i'm doing now: https://linktr.ee/student1
September 5, 200916 yr Amazing drops. Your bank is amazing too. I gabbed over it :shock: ~ 3,072nd to 99 Mining on August 30th, 2009 ~~ 112,084th to 99 Magic on April 16th, 2011 ~~ 131,681st to 99 Crafting on March 29, 2019 ~~ 178,385th to 99 Prayer on April 2, 2019 ~~ 234,921st to 99 Defence on May 9, 2019 ~~ 173,480th to 99 Herblore on June 21, 2019 ~~ 155,160th to 99 Smithing on July 16, 2019 ~
September 5, 200916 yr How do you TD after the safespot nerfs? 4x Phat owner: Blue, Green, 2x Purple 3100+ GWD bosses soloed.Solo GWD Drops:5 Bandos Plates, 4 Bandos Boots, 3 Bandos Hilts, 2 Arma Helms, Arma Skirt, Arma Plate, 3 Arma Hilts, 4 Zammy Spears, Steam Staff, 15 Sara Swords, 6 Sara Hilts, 29 Shards.
September 5, 200916 yr simply, amazing... All of these claw pics make me want to do wgs lol Current Goals:96/99 Dungeoneering2300+/2496 total
September 5, 200916 yr What the [bleep]. I killed over 1k of those [wagon]es and not 1 claw drop (other then a split.) I hate my luck. Three months banishment to 9gag is something i would never wish upon anybody, not even my worst enemy.
September 5, 200916 yr Wow I know people who have had 1-2 Claws in over 1.2k Kills. Nice log but you sure as hell got some luck. It's been a hell of a ride. 2002-2013
September 5, 200916 yr I see your bank. First thing I think is. What. The. [bleep]. Click on mah stats for my blog. ;D
September 5, 200916 yr Wow, the amount of FML moments is too astonishing. To top it up with a quite amazing bank. I doubt I would solo 10+ pairs myself- really cbf to. Anyway goodluck. How do you TD after the safespot nerfs? Well I tried after the nerf, you have to pray as long as you are fighting. (You can't range safely, cause your character jumps out.) Total Level 2247- 11x 99s All Combat Skills, Slayer, Summoning, Woodcutting, Herblore
September 5, 200916 yr u Lose. I gots 7 claws in 4 kills. Jk jk, that is [bleep]ing amazing. Your luck.. Your bank.. Your.. Wow. I would kill for that bank, luck, and skills. Keep it up man, and best of luck! 9/10 - 60,023rd to 99 Firemaking on April 29th, 2012 -- 15,152nd to 99 agility on August 21st, 2011 -- 30,569th to 99 Prayer on June 26th, 2011 -- 22,646th to 99 Hunter on Jan 9th, 2011 -1993 Miata; sold - 2001 E46 330i; "totaled" - 2001 E46 325iT; Bags and wheels ;)
September 5, 200916 yr Whoa awesome. I've been trying them out, I've gotten about maybe 125-150 kills so far, though I can only get 7-12 kills per trip. I have received prayer potions and numerous rune chain drops, though -.-
September 5, 200916 yr Author Amazing drops. Your bank is amazing too. I gabbed over it :shock: What's your set-up and do you wear a ring of wealth? Grats man, I wish I was that luck! Like I said, I don't really wanna show my set-up. Sorry. :( I will tell you that I do use Void and a GS (as opposed to Barrows/etc. and a halberd). I think I used a Ring of Wealth for one or two of my Claws by accident, but normally, I do not use RoW. Thanks for the complements! :D Amazing drops. Your bank is amazing too. I gabbed over it :shock: Haha thanks! nice drops just a question do you like to td? Thanks! And as for the question, well, I think I do. :ohnoes: I mean I enjoy going there, and I really like TD's for the 100 or so kills after claws. However, when I get on a long dry streak (150+), I usually make myself head back to get a drop out of habit. At times when the dry streak hits 200+, I'd say I just keep going to get the drop. How do you TD after the safespot nerfs? Like I said, I haven't really soloed after the safespot nerf. I expect Jagex to fix it - it was caused by the game engine similarly to how Rex lures and Fight Cave lures were changed after the last game engine update (remember few years ago? ;) ). The only difference is this update clearly makes the north safespot impossible to use unless the TD changes to melee. But if I were to go back, I would either solo at the entrance spot, or do what I did for my 4th and 5th claws (use the northeast demon, while having the north-center demon get himself stuck because he does the magic special attack without having a clear target). You could also try the southwest spot if you hally, but I can't stand hally tbh. simply, amazing... All of these claw pics make me want to do wgs lol Haha it's worth it in the end. Especially if you're a quest lover like me. :thumbsup: What the [bleep]. I killed over 1k of those [wagon] and not 1 claw drop (other then a split.) I hate my luck. See, that's what I thought before I got my 2nd pair of claws. I can't really estimate how long the dry streak was, but I think I really overexaggerated it (not saying you are, but people do tend to). I'd suggest logging kills if you ever go back. Considering I think the worst dry streak possible is in the 500's if you actually log every kill, I think if you log kills, you'll find out you're doing less kills than you think you did, or you'll get claws quite quickly. Either way, best of luck if you ever head back! wow I read the whole thing.. awesome! :thumbup: :thumbup: Haha thanks! :) Wow I know people who have had 1-2 Claws in over 1.2k Kills. Nice log but you sure as hell got some luck. Thanks! I don't really think I'm too lucky though. If those people have luck like that, you should tell them to log kills. If they get 5 Rune Med, Rune Chain, and Prayer Potion drops without any Claws, I'd agree, they're awfully unlucky/I'm really lucky. I'm not sure though. I see your bank. First thing I think is. What. The. [bleep]. :lol: Thanks! I don't think it's that great - it'd have more potential (i.e. rares/spirit shields) if I wasn't a double addict. And I'm sure there are a lot better banks out there. *cough* All the beast solo merchants who make 40m+ a day with their max cash stack. *cough* Wow, the amount of FML moments is too astonishing. To top it up with a quite amazing bank. I doubt I would solo 10+ pairs myself- really cbf to. Anyway goodluck. How do you TD after the safespot nerfs? Well I tried after the nerf, you have to pray as long as you are fighting. (You can't range safely, cause your character jumps out.) Haha thanks! Good luck to you too. I think you can solo 10+ pairs - it might take you longer than me because near the beginning of summer/end of summer (i.e. when I wasn't working) I could pull off about 3-4 trips of TD's a day. I think anyone can do it though. In fact, I know a person with 18 solo claws, 6 duo, and another person who has 30+ claws (not sure if those include CS, but if they don't, I'd freak out :shock: ). u Lose. I gots 7 claws in 4 kills. Jk jk, that is [bleep] amazing. Your luck.. Your bank.. Your.. Wow. I would kill for that bank, luck, and skills. Keep it up man, and best of luck! 9/10 Haha thanks so much! :) Best of luck to you as well! Awesome story. Awesome drops. Awesome bank. There is nothing not awesome about this :lol: Thanks! I don't think the deaths are so awesome though. :lol: But looking back, they are awesome in a funny kinda way. Whoa awesome. I've been trying them out, I've gotten about maybe 125-150 kills so far, though I can only get 7-12 kills per trip. I have received prayer potions and numerous rune chain drops, though -.- Yeah, it kinda sucks when you hit a rune/ppot streak. :wall: But stick with it. I could manage a perfect (as in using boosted stats and all bonus prayers) 16 kills using a bunyip in a trip. An SGS really helps you achieve that as well. Once you perfect your prayer switching (which is impossible atm with the silly prayer delay), you'll rarely get hit, and when you do, the bunyip and SGS make up for it. Good luck though!
September 5, 200916 yr That was a very good read. You've made me wanna go TD now but I need to go learn how to first and after they updated safespots, it looks harder lol. Great job though, 10/10.
September 5, 200916 yr This is why I lurk this sub board. Incredibly interesting read. Seems like you dedicated yourself even after substantial deaths. "Football is a simple game made complicated by people who should know better."
September 5, 200916 yr Roughly how many kills would you say you've done? I know I've killed 113 with 4 claw drops, just wondering if your in that sort of realm or if my lucks just burning out fast lol.
September 5, 200916 yr Nice story, nice pictures, and nice luck. It was a very good read, can't rate anything below 10/10. : Credits to Skully Sc for the signature.
September 5, 200916 yr nice, they are by far one of the best ways to make money, i pretty much multiplied my bank value by infinity with them. dedicate your idle computer power to a scientific project.
September 5, 200916 yr Your melee tab alone is 385m #-o [hide=]Neitiznot: 106k Warrior: 92k Zerker: 125k Warrior: 646k Zerker: 6600k Dds: 108k D mace: 60k D long: 126k D scimmy: 300k D spear: 86k D battle: 240k D2h: 2200k D hally: 390k D claws: 65600k D sq: 903k D med: 240k Dfh: 28400k D chain: 10800k D pl8: 20400k D legs: 1570 D skirt: 340k D boots: 6018k Dharoks: 11000k Guthans: 8400k Torags: 3600k Veracs: 4500k Bcp: 35200k Bt: 31600k Bb: 2200k Whip: 10800k SS: 17000k ZS: 6000k SGS: 59300k ZGS: 28900k DFS: 22000k 385850k[/hide]
September 5, 200916 yr I really enjoyed reading that, congrats on all the great drops. Any idea how much your bank is worth? :thumbup:
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