Re-Direct To The Forum?

After you make a post in General, one of the most active forums, you get sent to the forum, but your sent to the top of the page, thus your going to be scrolling down roughly 1300 pixels on a 1024x768 resolution. I myself am on a 800x600 resolution, but the average resolution is 1024x768, or 1280x768/720.

That's around 3-7 scrolls (how many times you have to roll the wheel on the mouse), or three seconds using the down arrow for the scroll bar to move down to visually see the first 3-5 topics. To view 18 topics, which become visible, is 8-12 seconds, using the down mouse. You could cut these times in half, or completely get rid of them all, only one that may still exist is the 18 topics, which may or may not be visible on certain resolutions, if the suggestion is implemented.

So I was hoping if possible by the Admins/Albosky ^^, could consider making the redirect link after you post ('Click Here to Return To The Forum') to re-direct you to 'Topics', and not the top of page. By topics, the topics which are below the stickied topics, so the title 'topics' is just above the topic that has just been posted on.

I know this is a suggestion seems a bit 'lazy', rather screams lazy. But if your one of the people who post daily, it is time consuming, and quite irritable to be brought up to the page, just to scroll down, to view the topics you wanted to read. This process only takes around 10-15 seconds, depending on whether or not you've actually read the topic titles, or you are just reading them. It's not that big of a problem, it's not even a problem, mainly a hindering in the luxury of Tip.It Forums.

Now that its in your head I really can't tell you to go post 5 times(legit posts), and see if it is noticeable, since it'll be an affected test. But you can see how all those seconds could add up to hours over a month's use of posting 7-10 times per day in General.

Also this may be good for forums that have a lot of stickied topics as well.

*All tests/data came from my own personal testing on a 1024x768 screen resolution on a 21.6 inch monitor. The scroll bar speed was set to 3 lines per spin, the scroll bar on the browser was set to 1.8 lines per second. The mouse was a logitech G7, cordless mouse.*

I'm fairly certain you answered your own suggestion quite well with the statement that it screams lazy. Even more ironic is the fact that you spent at least 10 minutes typing this out, which was time you could have spent scrolling down.

This is without a doubt the most useless suggestion I've ever seen posted here, and I've seen some doozies.

There's these things called 'tabs'. Most modern browsers have them. Amazingly they let you open up threads for reading without ever reloading the index so you don't lose your place. Pretty cool isn't it?

If scrolling is wasting so much precious time, maybe you should be working on what requires those few extra seconds instead of posting on TIF...

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Edit: On top of that, if scrolling is such a big problem, why aren't people calling for more subforums and reorganizing of the index since it's a hell of a lot longer than any sticky list in the forums?

I'm fairly certain you answered your own suggestion quite well with the statement that it screams lazy. Even more ironic is the fact that you spent at least 10 minutes typing this out, which was time you could have spent scrolling down.

 

 

 

This is without a doubt the most useless suggestion I've ever seen posted here, and I've seen some doozies.

I don't think it's a stupid suggestion, it took me twenty minutes to get everything I wanted typed out. I typed it out fairly certain I was going to get responses like yours. So I made it my best.

No, I don't think I answered my question by pointing out that this is merely 'mainly a hindering in the luxury of Tip.It Forums,'. The topics will still be there the first time you click the link to the forums, but not the re-direct link.

When I posted this, I was thinking of the users, and I do believe most of the users don't deserve to have to go through those darn stickies every time they post. Nor do I think it's useless. It's just a luxury that can be added, and that is needed if anymore stickied topics are made. I'm also certain this would take less than 10 minutes to code(and I think giving 10 minutes is beyond the amount it should take) the entire thing. So 10 minutes now, can save loads of time for the users. Which is something that the users will rate the forums on. Especially new ones.

1)The fact that you even took 20 minutes, by your own calculations of 3 seconds to get past the stickies, means that you just wasted the scroll time of 400 posts by making this topic.

2) The fact that you were expecting posts like mine should have been something of a GIGANTIC warning light: WARNING: do not post a suggestion that is so useless that it actually annoys people

3) The fact that no one has complained about this before should also have been a tip-off to you

4) The 10 minutes you claim it would take to code this change are a) a completely baseless guess that you probably just pulled out of thin air and B) 10 minutes that could have been better spent maintaining the forums

5) The fact that you call this a "luxury" is yet again another hint you should have gotten about how unecessary this suggestion is

6) The fact that you toss in "things like this is what the forum gets rated on" is ridiculous to the point of hilarity- I can say with fairly absolute confidence that 99.99999999% of users that come to a forum like this are here for the content and not for the fact that they don't have to scroll an extra half second to get past the stickies.

1)The fact that you even took 20 minutes, by your own calculations of 3 seconds to get past the stickies, means that you just wasted the scroll time of 400 posts by making this topic.

 

 

 

2) The fact that you were expecting posts like mine should have been something of a GIGANTIC warning light: WARNING: do not post a suggestion that is so useless that it actually annoys people

 

If it annoys you I'm sorry, but I'm sticking with this suggestion till death.

 

 

 

3) The fact that no one has complained about this before should also have been a tip-off to you

 

Just becuase no one posts it doesn't mean it's an issue, or something that could be looked over. I'd rather post something I find can be updated, than not posting it at all.

 

 

 

4) The 10 minutes you claim it would take to code this change are a) a completely baseless guess that you probably just pulled out of thin air and B) 10 minutes that could have been better spent maintaining the forums

 

Not true at all, click here to be re-directed to the forums. I do not know php, that's why I gave a 10 minute gap. I have that link code memorized from using it, I think Albosky should also have it memorized in php, though I may be wrong.

 

 

 

5) The fact that you call this a "luxury" is yet again another hint you should have gotten about how unecessary this suggestion is

 

So you think Tif should not have luxuries? The entire Fan Site is a luxury. I do not think this forum is even needed, yet it is here for our own use, which is a luxury, so why not try to improve it? That's all I'm doing. Useless but a luxury applies to the Forums, Quest Guides, Databases, and also applies to the idea behind this suggestion.

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The content? This suggest adds to the content they encounter when they visit the forums. Half a second? Disregard the information I give in the first post then?

Give me a break.

The forums also i guess is where the majority of the ad money is generated from.

Give me a break.

 

 

 

The forums also i guess is where the majority of the ad money is generated from.

Nothing happens to the ads? You still get revenue, and I'm pretty sure most of the users don't want to buy half of those odd items? I've clicked on the ad's three times in my entire span here on Tip.It, two were accidental, and one was for a topic I read. And I'm sure if people wanted to click the ad's they wouldn't complain about them.

No sorry, yeah. I was just commenting on from you saying that you saw the forums as a luxury although they probably bring a lot of money.

No sorry, yeah. I was just commenting on from you saying that you saw the forums as a luxury although they probably bring a lot of money.

Oh, well I was coming from the user point of view there. You are true there though, without the forums, there would be no Tip.It...?

Edit: Disregard that, go read Albosky's astonishing reply.

I do know they bring money, I just wasn't coming from the practical uses in the forums, just the uses the regular user saw from the forums.

Also to chris, from you I'm getting that you like to scroll down, so you would rather scroll down through those stickies every time? Or would you like someone to code something in 10 minutes to make your posting more enjoyable? Or stay on the forums more enjoyable?

Give me a break.

 

 

 

The forums also i guess is where the majority of the ad money is generated from.

your guess would be horribly wrong :)

As active as the forum seems, the traffic to our website makes up 88% of our overall, the forum is the other 12%.

The forum doesn't even pay for itself, the website picks up its slack.

mm I should have taken into account the recent poll saying 60%+ arn't registered to the forums. Still 12% is no luxury, well maybe it is.

Well it doesn't matter. Still seems quite a useless/lazy request to make. But thats what these forums are for afterall.

Last I checked, the page up/page down and home/end keys were developed for the computer before the scroll wheel.

There's these things called 'tabs'. Most modern browsers have them. Amazingly they let you open up threads for reading without ever reloading the index so you don't lose your place. Pretty cool isn't it?

 

 

 

If scrolling is wasting so much precious time, maybe you should be working on what requires those few extra seconds instead of posting on TIF...

 

 

 

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Edit: On top of that, if scrolling is such a big problem, why aren't people calling for more subforums and reorganizing of the index since it's a hell of a lot longer than any sticky list in the forums?

Didn't see yours.

Yes they are quite cool, yet if you don't use them, which a lot of users don't, than this is a fine suggestion. But if you do use them, then this suggestion obviously doesn't apply to you.

Me? I don't think it's a waste of time, nor was I ranting, or complaining about how it affected me, I merely tried to estimate how it affected the general user, and how it could be improved. So I don't know why you thought I shouldn't post here.

I was actually going to post about the stickies, but this way mods, and admins don't have to take 4 hours re-organizing everything. :wink:

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This is such a small idea to be implemented, that it's use is basically low. That doesn't mean it's purpose can't be used, regardless of how it can be used by the user. I understood when I posted this that it lacked an actual use, but you can't deny that the general user wouldn't go on a murder trail just because of it, it would make the general user far happier than scrolling through the stickies. And unless you aren't annoyed by the stickies, you can't say you wouldn't like this.

Perhaps just fix up the stickies, take a few hours, or inform the general users to use their tabs, might take some time, or just use the re-direct link. Look at the time saved for something so small.

Yes, there is no issue with the 1300pixel space, yet it can be improved.

Yes they are quite cool, yet if you don't use them, which a lot of users don't, than this is a fine suggestion. But if you do use them, then this suggestion obviously doesn't apply to you.

If you change the automatic redirection to anchor at the general topics and not the stickies, that means everyone that doesn't want the page to automatically scroll down (and doesn't use tabs, as you happily pointed out) now has to scroll back up to get to the index links at the top because you thought this 'luxury' would be a nice change based on 'estimates' you made instead of what the users actually wanted. Pages that assume they know where you want to be reading are annoying as hell.

Me? I don't think it's a waste of time, nor was I ranting, or complaining about how it affected me, I merely tried to estimate how it affected the general user, and how it could be improved. So I don't know why you thought I shouldn't post here.

With out hard data, it's nothing more than wild speculation. If people didn't like scrolling, they'd be posting about it, which hasn't happened. There is no reason to implement something based on 'estimates' cooked up by nothing more than a wild idea you happened to find supporting data for.

Ease of implementation is also irrelevant. If people want to scroll down to the topics, they'll scroll down. What if they wanted to read a sticky or announcement after replying to a general topic? What if they wanted to click back to the forum list instead? They now have to scroll back up after waiting for the anchor to load and move the page. That's a hell of a lot more annoying than just scrolling down to where you want the page.

What if they wanted to read a sticky or announcement after replying to a general topic? What if they wanted to click back to the forum list instead? They now have to scroll back up after waiting for the anchor to load and move the page. That's a hell of a lot more annoying than just scrolling down to where you want the page.

Maybe allow this to be an option in the profile? I didn't take into consideration of the other variables of why it went to the top. My bad. but I still think it's a something that can be used, or have those stickies re-organized. I do feel bad for ignoring the points you pointed out, but this can be used, and can be coded very easily.

[hide]Just scroll it 3-4 times. It isn't really that hard.

See, you did it to read this post.[/hide]

Overall, deal with it. Other uses have.

It takes me about 0.3 seconds to scroll down using the scroll bar. How it takes you three i'll never know. :-/

It takes me about 0.3 seconds to scroll down using the scroll bar. How it takes you three i'll never know. :-/

Depends on your own speed, and the system setting speed. All are different.

'Overall, deal with it. Other uses have.'

If you mean other users, I don't know why since I've already stated I'm not coming from my own views, but trying to guess at other user's views.

It takes me about 0.3 seconds to scroll down using the scroll bar. How it takes you three i'll never know. :-/

 

Depends on your own speed, and the system setting speed. All are different.

 

 

 

'Overall, deal with it. Other uses have.'

 

 

 

If you mean other users, I don't know why since I've already stated I'm not coming from my own views, but trying to guess at other user's views.

Mercifull also forgot, due to the fact that some users play games that require avoiding changing that scroll setting, there are people who can not change it, period. Also, there are users who just don't know how to change it, and would find it upsetting to do so anyway. (Microsoft-ian 3-line-scroll setting FTL. -.- ...)

[hide]Just scroll it 3-4 times. It isn't really that hard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

See, you did it to read this post.[/hide]

 

 

 

Overall, deal with it. Other uses have.

Jem, that was just awful and annoying to post something like that. I opened the thing thinking there was some kind of quote set in here, and all you did was, TBH, effectively spam.

Now I really do think that having an option to jump on the index would be a good idea in someone's profile. Nice shot, Jem, you and Mercifull can thank yourselves for pushing me in this direction. :boohoo:

~Mr. D. V. Devnull

 

Now I really do think that having an option to jump on the index would be a good idea in someone's profile. Nice shot, Jem, you and Mercifull can thank yourselves for pushing me in this direction. :boohoo:

you sound like a dictator.

'Your behaviour made me choose this.. Thine town must be destroyed!'

and apparently Albosky gives a crap, he posted in this topic, not commenting about usefulness of the suggestion, nor if it's gonna be made or not lol :?

<<<Quote by D_V_Devnull snipped>>>

 

 

 

you sound like a dictator.

 

'Your behaviour made me choose this.. Thine town must be destroyed!'

 

 

 

<<<Rest of quote snipped>>>

All I can say to that? ROTFLMDFLYCAO :lol: :roll: :? :P :mrgreen: :XD:

Thanks for pointing out the humor in my thoughts. :)

Still, though, I feel nudged in the direction I do because with how the points are presented, Jem's and Mercifull's attempts to shoot it down have an inverse effect by their overall aspects and nature. Just examine it, you will get what I mean. :thumbup:

~Mr. Devnull

I clicked the scroll bar and dragged it down. I did not use the scroll wheel. Everybody has this feature even on really slow and laggy computers. Your argument is moot.

Also pressing the page down button can resolve this, this suggestion is pretty much obsolete.

Still, though, I feel nudged in the direction I do because with how the points are presented, Jem's and Mercifull's attempts to shoot it down have an inverse effect by their overall aspects and nature. Just examine it, you will get what I mean. :thumbup:

So if I tell you that jumping off a cliff is bad for your health, but do it in a less than 100% comprehensible way, you'd jump off the cliff just because I didn't perfectly state why it's bad? Using logic like that in situations where it counts can get you killed. You're lucky this is only a forum.