fenrir321

Meh, just change your character to a girl. I'd pay 3k to get rid of said noobs any day.

Considering that I get SC points like crazy, have bones to peaches, and the motivation, I'm going for 99 attack, followed by 99 hp, 99 defense, and THEN 99 strength (somewhere, a 99 str pure is plotting my goal's demise...) My mandatory obligations would be anything to keep my qp cape.

It comes with the territory when you're a giant crybaby. And if you're embarrased to be playing Runescape at your ripe old age of eight (judging by the maturity of your posts), then quit. Take control of your addictions and stop posting on Tip.It. Save us all. :thumbup: +2 ownt tbh Back OT: There's not anything else to say that hasn't been said already: 1. the internet is the indestructible shield against physical retaliation 2. most people who are on the internet are quite nice, bu the other roughly 1 half of the people are [special] 3. the person who makes a machine that let's people stab people through the internet will become ten time richer than Bill Gates (assuming he doesn't run out of customers) I do find your situation humorous, though. I was fishing sharks at Catherby for my relatively good memories when I was a lot younger (about 3 years ago) when I see too lvl 60s calling each other noobs. I will never forget the lower lvl one. He said, "My thieving lvl is 78". I checked hiscores and he was right :shock: . I was thinking "ownt tbh" to the other guy who continued to assail him with "noob". If you' ve ever wondered why the higher lvls never "stand up" for the lower lvls, these are the two reasons: "if they don't respect you, they most likely won't respect me and stop" and sometimes "it's too damn funny" I still felt sorry for the bullied lower lvl, but in runescape and the internet in general, just because I was a higher lvl didn't mean I had power ove rhim. Speaking of which, that reminds me of the time when this lvl 90 was railing on this lvl 110 because they were skilling and the 110 wasn't talking. After about 5 lines of insults from the 90, the 110 speaks with a silver crown next to his name :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Either you weren't paying attention or the traps undid themselves. And what's the problem? Just hop lol.

7 things: Conclusion to the Elfin storyline with entrance into Priffindias Eastern Lands Sequel to While Guthix Sleeps (though this would be part of the "last" quest storyline in runescape) A new skill ("runing" 'roon-ing' as in the ability to place runes on armor to customize their abilities) actual benefits to pets Instances for boss raiding so no crashing Update to combat i.e. defense helps stop x amount of damage instead of probability

Construction has loads of uses, but the advantages basically stop after 75 with gilded altar (which in my opinion is overrated). After that, the stuff is just for show *cough*Demonthrone*cough*. And though I don't endorse spending all of your money (how else would you repair barrows armor?), saving it like crazy so that you have 500 mill is ridiculous. Of course, in my opinion, instead of "wasting" cash on construction, "waste" it on summoning! the monsters just keep getting better with each level.

[hide="Reply" Gone? Maybe you've missed something, but the duel arena is still there, and pk'ing is quite possible on PvP worlds or in the BH minigame. Staking rares and stuff... ¬_¬ And PKing is nowhere near as good as the PVP worlds. Random drops? Woooo. >_< Also Bounty Hunter failed miserably and everyone knows that. #-o My drops from 10 minutes in PVP worlds. They aren't random, it's all about how long you've been out. Staking affected perhaps .01% of the population. The new dual tournaments are FAR better. BH is fine, I enjoy it. How different is it from regular PKing? It's quite a nice replacement, and saved RS from ACTUALLY dying of RWT. [/hide] Though I do agree with you about bounty hunter, this is the reason why people think bounty hunter phails: WE CAN'T KILL OUR TARGET BECAUSE HE HAS DEFENSE!!! Or is "too strong" or is lvl 100 against a lvl 70 pure who could have a fair fight with him but uses the combat difference as an excuse so he can slaughter "normal" lvl 70s in "fair" fights in which he is demanding. It's the same thing with staking since you have to be the bets of the best to win. I would say that staking affected more like 1%, but that's just a guess based on how many people were in the riots. And nice pk btw :thumbsup:

1. Taken out after Christmas. Patience 'tis a virtue ;) 2. Because Earth Gloves give the fastest rate of rc exp in the game, about 48k exp per hour. If we could stack them, it would turn into 52k per hour. I know, not much logic is there with a difference of 4k? :roll: 3. You mean if you have food, it will auto-fill the cornucopia? What about things that DON'T add up to be 14? Like Lobsters? 4. Your fault for not having good enough processor/RAM to reduce lag. Try minimizing detail and turning public chat off to reduce lag.

It would definitely be nice to be #1, but Killer and Y guy said it nicely, invincibility would be boring. Though it would be nice to have five "rivals", at least one would be nice.

My only quarrel with Jagex is the lack of old content revamped, but then again they're always adding new stuff instead of updating old content *cough*castlewars*cough*. However, even there they did very well by updating bounty hunter, clan wars, revenants, etc. The article was well written and straight to the point :thumbsup:

Okay, that made no sense. Just let this thread die, people. It's a zombie! We'd need either crumble undead or a light spell to do that :wall:

There seems to be no reason for me to stick around either, so I'll leave with these arguments: When Melee hybrids, they have dragonhide, which reduces physical defense for increased magic defense. When Magic hybrids, all they do is change their weapon. Contrary to what replies have said, magic is NOT changing its attack style, it is adding. You can cast magic with a whip on. As for the seercull attack, first off, yes it is quite annoying. In disagreement with Comp, I have hit +11 with rune arrows. Of course, if the mager is properly prepared with sup restores, they would be able to recover from that. From what I understand, OP is asking Jagex to let a mager beat a melee hybrider all the time, win against TWO points of the triangle. 1 vs 2 is not favorable. If 1 won, then not only would that be a miracle of Guthix, but it would then be called overpowered. By using melee weapons, the fight becomes 2 vs 2. No there is not "ko" attack, but as Comp has demonstrated, ice blitz delayed action works well. The most f2p has is a scimmy speed/rune 2h combo for a ko.

Are you really trying to tell my that a person in super conductive rune armor will stand a chance against barrages. Come on.... If you have 99 magic and 99 magic, you can survive against barrages. I survive blitzes with guthans and I have 86 defense and 83 magic. You also fail to realize that a fully decked out meleer still has positive magic defense with the best equipment. I can have ~20 magic defense with guthans on.

Exactly. I can wear ahrims and a whip, have runes in my inventory and cast magic. I can use melee and magic simultaneously. I don't need a staff to cast magic. Right!!!! So all you have proved is if you are hybirding, magic is extremely powerful. On its own it still is weak compared to range and melee!!!! Rebalance magic so it isn't a support skill! You've completely turned around my argument towards a point without admitting that my point is correct. Magic is still able to attack even though I am wearing a whip. If you guys want a logical syllogism, here it is: All melee is short ranged. All Magic is long ranged. All long ranged is greater than short range. Therefore, all magic is greater than melee. think of magic vs melee with dhdie as two meleers in rune armor with dragon weapons. The catch is, if player A lands a hit once every ~25 seconds, player B can't attack for 20 seconds. That's what it's like when lvls are equal. Who do you think will win? Make that 20 seconds 10 seconds because of prayer, and make those 10 second in game seconds which are hardly equivalent to real life 10 seconds. Ten seconds...your point? I also forgot to mention that player A can poison and lower player B's attack by 15% while also healing too.

Exactly. I can wear ahrims and a whip, have runes in my inventory and cast magic. I can use melee and magic simultaneously. I don't need a staff to cast magic. Right!!!! So all you have proved is if you are hybirding, magic is extremely powerful. On its own it still is weak compared to range and melee!!!! Rebalance magic so it isn't a support skill! You've completely turned around my argument towards a point without admitting that my point is correct. Magic is still able to attack even though I am wearing a whip. If you guys want a logical syllogism, here it is: All melee is short ranged. All Magic is long ranged. All long ranged is greater than short range. Therefore, all magic is greater than melee. think of magic vs melee with dhdie as two meleers in rune armor with dragon weapons. The catch is, if player A lands a hit once every ~25 seconds, player B can't attack for 20 seconds. That's what it's like when lvls are equal. Who do you think will win?

I'm running low on time, since I have to go to bed soon, but to answer just this one part (remind me to answer the rest next time, : ), if you had full barrows with a whip casting ice barrage, you'd have a warrior which could cast spells and be very vulnerable to magic attacks. Or if it was Karils + Mage he was using, then you could just counter that with Karil's/Black D'hide & A Melee weapon. Balance \ You have no idea how defense works... 75% or your magic defense comes from your magic skill. If the person has 99 magic and 99 defense, I don't care if they have melee armor, they basically have 99 magic defense. That's called a tank. I've owned people only 3 combat lvls below me before summoning came out. They in torags, me in VOID. VOID ARMOR. See the problem? I even used MELEE against torags in void. At most, they had about 9 less attack lvls than I did. Unlike what the vast majority of rs players believe, defense is a VERY important combat skill. Your hypothetical character would NOT be susceptible to magic except by others of the same levels in magic armor. Tell me, how many people have maxed combat stats? Also, magic armor would then have RANGED defense.

Exactly. I can wear ahrims and a whip, have runes in my inventory and cast magic. I can use melee and magic simultaneously. I don't need a staff to cast magic.

Because dragons have a tendency to absorb mana energy and heavy metal armor restricts movement.

Meleers can buy 1 weapon and make it last for the rest of eternity. 1 Hour of chopping yews to buy a Dragon Scimitar which has potentially unlimited usage for the rest of forever, or No more than a day of runecrafting in none risk environments in order to PvP for 2 Hours. Take your pick. Youre wrong, Melee clearly wins this round. True, except for barrows weapons, but no one uses them anyway. And you missed my single point: If two characters with absolutely no items or cash save for pouches and a pick axe, they both had 99 runecrafting and mining, you could make soul runes, and they both started at the same time, one trying to get a godsword, the other a bunch of runes and a water staff, who could be ready first? I would bet on the mage since not only do they not have to sell their runes, but they wouldn't have to buy anything or kill anything. #1. Smite can be used by both Meleer and Mage. This means that they could take each others protect prayers down. This nullifies your argument . #2. Ill quote myself: Ask Jagex to make bow swords so we can melee and range at the same time. Oh wait, we can't because our max is already too über. You can mage and melee at the same time in ahrims...As Comp has pointed out, Ahrims has better defense than blk dhide. And what would happen if We had lvl 136's in full barrows with a dfs and a whip casting ice barrage? That's basically what you are suggesting by asking for melee armor not to give negative magic attack. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/practical Capable of or suitable to being used or put into effect; useful: practical knowledge of Japanese. As in, available for the moderately easy-going Runescape player (As opposed to one who has hundreds of millions to spare.) Practical means that I can spend around 1-2M to get very decent Magic Gear that will not disappear after 15 minutes. You really want to take a Staff of Zuriel into a PvP world, then be my guest. But the staff is not only rare, but its power is ephemeral too. And please, in the face of the incredible number of swords, daggers, axes, and claws that are ABSOLUTELY VIABLE weapons created for Jagexs little pet melee class, Magic has gotten this excuse for a staff. You have also failed to address Magic's lack of KOing power in both F2P and P2P (No, using the delayed Blitz/Barrage animation delay is exceedingly difficult in the face of what the other two can dish out, and if you were to use it, it still doesn't match the max hits of Melee and Ranged. LOL@the potential for ranged to have a special attack the NEVER MISSES and has a potential max hit of 96. Why can't Mages do that kind of damage from a distance? LOL@A melee weapons ability to freeze you. (Seems Magic's advantages are already being implemented into the two other types of combat. Just perfect)) Face it, Magic needs some serious buffs and expansions and deserves a few of its own exclusive updates that will make it FUN, POWERFUL, and CHEAP, just as melee is at the present time. Sincerely, Elusefelier Spend 2 mill on rune ess and craft runes then. Spend 2 mill on runes and kill people. Your definition means that anything that any one person can do is practical. It also means something that is useful. Magic is useful because it transports people across runescape in the blink of an eye. Your own definition has become your undoing. If you mean something else, like "something that the general population can accomplish," then that's what we call over powered. I'm sure you don't want to be bombarded by 51 out of 100 players as ice barragers for three hours. Of course I may be wrong since you just be as easily be the person casting that barrage. Now to add something, logically speaking, ice barrage is a mager's defense. I'm not sure about you, but even with 70 magic and blk dhide, ice barrage will cut through that defense. You are dealing with a lvl 94 spell. Now imagine if we had lvl 94 bows or swords...

Junk trading really shouldn't be that much of an issue. Logically speaking, junk traders are saying this: "I will sell you your product if you buy junk with it." Junk trading has become so widespread that it has become its own currency. Ironically, it's far from being "junk" :lol: All junk is doing is upping the inflation of rare items. the only "problem" is that now that we have become so G.E. dependent, we have lost the skill to enter W2 and junk trade there. Seriously, people need to use the OTHER trading world too. It's driving me crazy not being able to get in there! Ultimate ball has a point. I knew that I need two sets, but according to the placement of the armor, first thing through my mind: "Lol, that looks like just a spare item. Like those stupid items that the game designers give you AFTER the danger." Though anyone smart enough to look at the armor's stats would see it's as god as rune except in crush and is tradeable would find that they could make some good cash.. *puts two and two together to get 15 mill*

To: compfreak847 Kind of off topic: I noticed that you have 99 magic from your sig, yet in another post you said that your magic was equivalent to lvl 74 attack. Can you clarify how you came to that conclusion? I'd love to know how to calculate my magic accuracy by including equipment, if that's what you are doing OT: As peronix very clearly wrote, the combat triangle is slightly hypothetical and can't really made since it's more like a pentagon or a hexagon. However, I do think that magic lacks a good weapon seeing as the best staff (zuriel's) has only +18 magic. Of course, if Jagex made Ahrim's staff have +100 magic, then we'd be dealing with a bunch of magers running around in full torags with insane magic offense.

That's only half right. If "dead" means "I don't find fun in runescape anymore", that's opinionated. But if it means "runescape is not popular" (which is what OP is saying) then that is able to be proven.

[hide="reply" I'll address this first. The Meleer in the scenario you mentioned will still beat the Mage even if he didn't have a crossbow or Ranged weapon. Yes, that's right. Black D'hide & Prayer WILL win against a Mage because those excuses for spells called Barrages splash all the time. The crossbow would be overkill. My argument about the cost refers to buying the runes. If you can make the runes, that's also time consuming, and that time translates into money, so they're expensive whichever way you look at it. If I were a meleer, I could buy a godsword, and then sell it back, and I wouldn't have lost ANY money. Mages cast spells which costs 1000's of coins per cast - coins which they can never get back. See my point? Now I'll address this part of what you said. First, I'd like to say that it's perfectly fine for Rangers to beat Mages; that's the way it's meant to be. Secondly, I'd like to point out that in the spell rotation you mentioned above, you've included "Miasmic Barrage." Did you know Miasmic Barrage requires you to buy a staff which lasts 15 minutes and costs 6,000,000 gold coins? If you can look me in the face and say that this is practical way of PvPing, then I have nothing more to say to you. : I will however, assume that you did not know this. My mind is underpowered? Are you suggesting I'm stupid? That's low. NO, it IS magic that is underpowered, not the Mages' minds. Have you seen the rants forum on runescape.com lately? There is 4K+ support list for a buff to mages. The thing that is significant is that a very large part of that support list includes Mages who have both 95+ magic and other high level Melee and Ranged stats and are experienced with the shortcomings of Magic in its present pitiful state. You're not getting the point. The meleer isn't forced to switch the weapon he's using. The Mage is being forced to not be a Mage anymore and he's switching BOTH his weapon and his armor. I'd personally like to see either Black D'hide armor subtract from Melee bonuses, or have Plate armor not subtract from magic bonuses. Take your pick. Fenrir321, none of the above arguments which you stated have much hold in a real, practical view of playing the game, I regret to say. FFS, isn't there at least one person that will acknowledge the validity of my rant? Regards, E. [/hide] Since this is a reply, I'll start with the last argument: You're essentially asking rock to beat paper in this argument. Yes, they're using melee. Yes, they're using ranged armor. They are still hybridding. A lvl 126 with 99 stats WILL beat any "class" of player with 99 in their respective stats and 1 in the others. Also, even if you do change to melee weapons, you can still cast magic. You can also use some melee armor in conjunction with a staff and still cast magic effectively in some instances. Also, Jagex said that lvl difference can bend the triangle. For your second argument, I did not mean that you had [developmentally delayed]ed mind. I meant that you may need to stretch the limit of your imagination. If you want an example of a good mage, go to WoWWiki. Go to any WoW site and find this: MAGE NEED LOT'S OF MOUSE BUTTONS. I had 3 mouse buttons for FULL 12 spells lists. That's 36 spells I had to keep track of. Magic is very versatile and therefore complex. Also, have you ever read Plato's Crito? "The opinion of the masses matters little." This is because when you pool their minds, at least once will you get an issue that will only pool the majority's ignorance. Also, rants isn't a good indicator because the people who DO like it are playing the content instead of praising it to counteract the ranting. I know perfectly well that the miasmic spells require much gold, but that doesn't mean people wouldn't use them. Switch the staff after 1 spell and it will last a long time. The staff is granting an anti-range ability so obviously it is extremely expensive. Meleers may not lose money, but they can't make their resources. Even if you had to make your runes, it would take no more than a day in non-risk environments to make up for about two or three hours' worth of pking. Meleers would have to kill or buy their items. Well let's say that they had NO money. Hmm...I'd say the mage wins this round.\ There is something called prayer...wait you mentioned that. Alright, why aren't you using prayer as well? Why not protect from melee? OR even OMG smite? You can't use the dhide argument still because it is bending the triangle. And even if you did, how do you beat a bent triangle? Bend it again! HYBRID. The only agreement is that mages must trade their weapons out. Though this doesn't really matter much since ahrim's gives good melee defense and magic attack. Before you make me start a syllogism, you must tell me what the term "practical" means in this context. edit: If you the OP would just look at Comp's and my examples of combos, you would know how mage IS NOT underpowered. Comp has some good combos; I'm taking notes for that imfamous lvl 94 I plan on getting ;)

You are basically saying that a business of only two years of age should have known that autoing would evolve into a big problem. Obviously autoing is something to be stopped NOW How the heck was Jagex supposed to know that autoing would spell the end of runescape? I'd like to see anyone encounter a problem that few had encountered and make the best decision on the FIRST TIME. They could have this, that, whatever... Yes Jagex made some bad or not-so-good decisions because of naivete and ignorance, but that doesn't mean that they didn't try their hardest on what they DID know. From the average player's perspective, autoing was annoying bot hogging your space. What Jagex told us is that Rwt is coupled with credit fraud and costs Jagex millions of dollars. Here's an analogy: I want you to bake a cake without an instruction book. Let's say you try your best but fail. I insult you for it and say you are the worst cake baker because you couldn't bake a cake. WELL DUH YOU COULDN'T. There was no instruction manual for you to follow, no helpful advice, I didn't even tell you what ingredients to use. I actually like the wildnerness updates; I can go into the wild without getting pjed or koed by thirty barragers. But for the other people, would you rather have no runescape from Jagex going bankrupt? Or play runescape with some pvp? Again, they didn't make the best decisions all along, but we're all human. They basically dodged a mating net set by Rwt. Should we berate them for letting themselves almost get into the net (note: almost) or should we praise them for dodging the bullet?

I'd use that if only I had barrage spells :-k OP: can't really complain. Try slayer. Lot's of charms there.