I understand why you don't like them, and I know that a lot of people don't. I get it. Being a drummer myself, I have to disagree with you on Joey being slightly more than average. When you listen to a metal band play (from my experiences at least, I don't listen to the sub-genres much) you will most likely hear 1 of the following: Straight 16th/Triplets on the bass drums throughout the entire song, A blast beat usually still 16th notes on the bass drums, or a very simple beat somewhat Metallica-esque. (By the way, I do not like Metallica at all) Now if you listen to most of Slipknot's songs, Joey puts a lot more creativity into his songs than most metal drummers. He can play fast when necessary (See People=[cabbage]) but he also plays with style. I grew up listening to the greatest drummers of the last century: Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, Neil Peart, Terry Bozzio, John Bonham, Ian Paice. All of these drummers were pioneers in their genre. If you look at pretty much any list of "Best drummers in Metal" today, I can assure you Joey is on that list. Of course he couldn't touch the likes of Danny Carey or Gene Hoglan, but he has a lot of talent. Just to let you know, I'm not the card carrying 14 year old who listens to nothing but Slipknot. I don't even consider them to be one of the best bands out there, but if you can only tell me personal opinions on how they are all talentless hacks, I really challenge you to achieve 1/10th of their success.