I think you guys misinterpreted my post. I was trying to say civilization is a very ambiguous term. What defines what is a civilization and where is the cutoff point? And please, do not copy paste Wikipedia's definition of civilization just to be a jerk. I am not putting down any native people. I'm sorry if it came off that way. On another point, (directed at Shadowfax) it would be very foolish to assume that all native tribes of the Americas were peaceful and simply slaughtered by brutal Europeans. Yes, there are plenty of examples of peaceful groups, but many of the groups of people (like the Nahua I mentioned in my first post who were conquered by Cortez, along with many other similar groups throughout the Americas) are in a constant state of warfare. Their entire lives are based off an ancient tradition of warfare. Their rise to power in the area was fueled by warfare and their demise will always be through military conquest. These people have been doing this for thousands of years before the arrival of ANY Europeans. Am I saying that it was right for Cortez to destroy the Nahua society? No, but there are two sides to each coin.