qeltar

Every cloud has its silver lining.

EugenyG, you know that I respect you a great deal. And I can certainly understand your frustration. I'm going to ask you to reconsider, though. There's a reason Jagex delayed the trade changes until January -- this is being floated as a trial balloon. I doubt they will completely undo what they've done, but there's still time to tweak things and improve them greatly. Similarly... you have three weeks before the changes come into effect. There's no need to make such a "permanent" decision after only one day. You can as easily make your statement in late December -- with the added bonus that there will be many more people around them to see it. Finally, if you do decide to leave and get rid of your items, don't use a drop party. Doing so means all of your items will be distributed based on blind luck, which really is a shame. Choose people whom you feel are deserving and give to them instead.

Yes. Many people do, and have already posted their ideas. You don't solve a problem by replacing it with even larger problems. This can still be tweaked to "sort of" work, but the game as a whole has been totally transformed.

This needs a bump in light of today's, uh, "events". :(

Hope you're right.. because what they have right now is an utter disaster. This is about the worst case that I can recall of a successful company killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

Yep. Little did even I realize how far down the road they would eventually proceed.

Dking is different. Just yesterday I got a sara hilt with my partner. It was his drop. What would we have done if this happened after the update? I am 107 combat, he is 122. He Usually gets the kills.......now what?? Oh I know.. it's ridiculous. :( Congrats BTW. Sell it before the Gestapo takes over. :(

In addition to everything else, we really ARE now being forced to use the Grand Excrement, whether we like it or not. So, since the geniuses at Jagex STILL think raw chompies are worth 85 gp, I will NEVER be able to buy them. Brilliant!

Again, I'm not defending it..just trying to see if there's a way to make it work. If a friend can bless it and make it last an hour that makes getting back feasible. The trading issue is the real problem, as you say. But if you DK a *lot* then in time that should even out.

That's a good side to the update, fixes one problem but makes a whole new one, the one about not being able to fairly share loot. Yeah I know. Not saying these updates are good, just looking for silver linings.

Group monster killing may not be dead quite yet. The new gravestone features seem to make it much easier to go back and get one's own stuff if you die. Need to research this more.

Simply put -- yes. Just as if an exterminator told me that the only way to rid my house of termites was to douse it in gasoline and set it on fire, I'd kinda have to say no to that idea too.

Kind of you.. but boy, I am not even sure what I would say. Everyone kind of knows what this is about now. I do give credit to Jagex for tackling this problem. And I will have to almost rewrite all of TruthScape because so many scams have now been eliminated. But at what cost? They've really thrown the baby out with the bathwater this time. Not only have they killed many team-related activities, they have also killed merchanting of all sorts, the ability to share and give gifts, and even the ability to make a smart trade. 3k is pocket change -- at best -- and they just don't get it. My son summed it up best: RS is now a multiplayer game in which players can't interact.

First, I applaud Jagex for FINALLY explaining properly what they are doing. But in terms of the changes, I have only two words: Baby Bathwater.

What does a d-hide body alch for? 4680. If nat prices are a steady 280 each, then this failsafe stops players for buying less than the high-alching price and making a profit off the stupidity of others. Well, how wonderful it is to have Almighty Jagex out there making sure that I don't do anything out of "stupidity". Because gee, I must be an idiot if I want to say, sell my green dhide bodies for 4380. :roll: And how nice it is of Almighty Jagex to not let me "stupidly" sell my iron knives for less than 31 each -- which means that I haven't been able to sell them on the GE for two solid weeks. And thank goodness that Almighty Jagex doesn't let me offer more than 85 gold pieces for raw chompies, because only an idiot would pay more than that much.

What exactly is being gained by doing this? Squat. If people don't want to pay 10 gp for body runes they won't. All that fixing the price does is make the GE useless for these items.

Thanks for the kind words everyone. I'm somewhat amused at the number of people who were 'afraid' of the article when they saw my name on it. :mrgreen:

What happens is that nobody sells anything. It's not a bug -- there are dozens, if not hundreds of items in this situation and more joining every day.

No, what you have is items no one wants to buy. It doesn't necessarily mean the mechanism is screwed up. Sorry, but wrong. I have items no one wants to buy at Jagex's artificially controlled prices. And that's the point. (Though this thread is not meant to be about the GE, really.)

lordkafei: Please understand that I am not trying to cast judgment on whether the price drops are good or bad -- I'm simply saying that they have happened. In fact, I am not blaming the GE for this, except partially. I am mostly saying that there are many factors why prices have gone down. Arguing that the price drops are all due to reductions in "opportunity cost" misses the mark for two reasons: the price drops have been dramatic even on items that used to be easy to sell; and the GE is not the easy-to-use market for sellers of many items that it was claimed to be. When people have been trying for two weeks to sell items at the cheapest possible prices and can't, what you clearly have is a screwed up market mechanism.

If you click here you'll find a Google cache of a forum posting from around a month ago. On it, someone is offering to buy iron knives for 40 each, and several people offer to sell them at that price. I have some iron knives I've been trying to sell on the GE at the minimum possible price for two weeks. I just tried again to sell them at 31 gp -- that's over 20% lower -- and there were no buyers. (And don't tell me to 'be patient' because we both know bloody well that there are probably thousands of sellers ahead of me.) Now, tell me again exactly how the GE is saving me "opportunity cost"?

Getting into world 2 is simple if you know the trick. There are guides to it here on Tip.It. Once there, it took less time to dump items below the old market values to merchants than it takes to sell them for the new market prices on the GE. So, as I said, opportunity cost doesn't explain the drops. A cost in time that is dwarfed by the reduced return due to lower costs right now. So, as I said, it's not opportunity cost that is to blame. The interfaces, sure. I mean, if you really LIKE not being able to browse, and having to click three times every time you want to buy something, and then entering an item name and clicking again, and then not being able to return to the search list and having to start all over again -- I guess that's rather interesting personal taste. :) As for it being crippled -- nope, not personal taste. It's crippled because it doesn't allow people to buy and sell for the prices they want, so for many people and products it is COMPLETELY useless. They aren't price "fluctuations" -- the prices have all dropped dramatically. Do some research. What YOU are missing is that a month ago anyone could have sold a single snadragon seed for more money and in less time than it took once the GE came out. See above for explanation, which I might add all has to do with opportunity cost. A month ago, I could go on the forums and sell 10k raw sharks for 8.5 milion in less than a minute. I can't sell 10k raw sharks on the GE for anything approaching that number. That has absolutely nothing to do with "opportunity cost". You're either not listening to me or simply not capable of understanding that before the GE it was easier AND faster to get MORE money for common items than it is now. Either way it seems pointless to continue arguing about it. Yes, at what price? 8k? 9k? At the prices they go for now you could have sold them faster before. They aren't slightly lower, they are substantially lower, as I've already shown. On hundreds of products across all segments. That's complete nonsense. You accused me of using an "arbitrary" definition of what a crash is, but it's actually you who is imposing arbitrary 'requirements' for what a crash is. The 1987 stock market decline is undeniably a crash. It led to no "catastrophic situations". It was just a steep, big decline in prices. Same as we have here. I've explained it a dozen times already... in the article and in this thread. Riots have nothing to do with crashes. And by the way, there have been THOUSANDS of complaints about the lower prices on the forums (not that that defines a crash either.) :roll:

While I do understand the point you're making, I'm curious why yews have gone up in price so much. :-k Because bowstrings and nats went down, possibly coupled with anti-bot measures by Jagex.

Banning all of China by IP wouldn't be "racist". It would be a reaction to BAD BEHAVIOR, not prejudice based on race. Not every action taken against a group is necessarily "racism". That said, it would also be both unfair and futile. It wouldn't stop the problem and would just penalize a lot of innocent people. Why do we need to resort to such draconian measures when Jagex doesn't even do simple things that they already could? Simple heuristics could be built into the client to catch easily detectable forms of botting. Jagex clearly has none, or doesn't consider this a priority. Consider how many people use autotypers -- it would be trivially easy to flag and ban this behavior, but Jagex not only doesn't do that, it ignores reports of autotypers. They don't care about bots and autoing nearly as much as they'd like us to believe.

The main drawback IMO is the fact that you have to heal and restore (whatever it is) at the same time. Sometimes you just need food and sometimes you need prayer (attack, whatever.) They are best when fighting things where you constantly take damage -- mostly high level stuff like miths, brutal greens and so forth. I don't use them at Barrows, because it's more efficient to use Sara Brews and super restores. 4-dose mixes would be great but... 133 prayer points and 24 healing in one spot? A bit overpowered IMO.