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@Aylarliez Max ZMI pace is around 69k, a few K lower is more realistic though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjd1NpBg6h0 Lan used to run a BA channel on IRC back in the day, though i'm not sure how much of his FM / Agil he did after horns came out.

the Corp Vid is absolute CABBAGE insanity. unspam :)

nice on the claws. :) Would flip them myself, but cash tied up in other nice lucrative items at the moment :ohnoes: Closing in on the 300 mark quickly? :shades:

just going to drop this here.

I did not in the conclusion I drew there, but I was thinking about it. Since all 3 methods result in 200m cmb(except for mage and prayer), slayer, and RC. It would come down to the time saved from how much of the 7 other effigy skills is saved in each method compared to the total time it takes already. I will try and think of a better way to measure it and come up with a decent mathematical basis. What is the current fastest, Agility, Hunter, FMing, Thieving, and Fishing xp/h's? Agil is ~72k at barb advanced, hunt is around 240k doing draconics, fm is 425k, thieving is (i think now) ~265k or so with monkeys? if someone has tested then please post. Fishing is ~85k barb fishing with the cut/eating method. Keep in mind that agil and FM can both be boosted by doing Barb assault, assuming 24 minute rounds (going slow and time between each round included) then 4 hours of BA means you have a full horn to use for 3.56m fm or ~1m agil, at double xp pace, lasting 4.2 hours of fm (hardly any time saved, bumps the xp/h rate up by ~9k, but saves money) or just under 7 hours of agil, for agil that raises it to 1m xp in 11 hours, or 91k agil an hour. Not too much of a difference, but enough to make a dent in any calculations you want to do. Those numbers should all be fairly accurate, if someone has different numbers to post then go ahead -> i havent tested out thieving on monkeys, and am yet to try 3tic fishing here.

:) a few random screnies from today.

You still have mine to beat (73 torstol), but great run :thumbsup:. one my best friend's ^ damn, 77 max here currently, farming has been a bit off and on though. What's that ring item in the inventory there? Explorer ring 4. ah, cheers, most the elite diaries came out while i was away. bonuses from exporer 4 seem lame, won't bother getting it... Yes, that's 2 people with agility capes having me on follow going through ZMI. Got 98 rc after 2 days of 400k+ rc xp there, didn't screeny the level though. Sub-60 second laps without a familiar and no mousekeys is fun. :)

You still have mine to beat (73 torstol), but great run :thumbsup:. one my best friend's ^ damn, 77 max here currently, farming has been a bit off and on though. What's that ring item in the inventory there?

impressive achievement there, grats. :) 200m in anything takes some long term dedication, 10/10 right there for that.

Nice :) I finished playing speculation and ended up making a cool 25m out of it. (22 dfs, bought 23.5 sold 24.64) Not too shabby for a few days of being too lazy to flip. Shame I'm spending it as quick as i make it, but these last couple buyables aren't going to finish themselves off! :( Posting to mention it's just about been a month since you started, and the ~60m you've made in that time is right on 1% a day, nice going. :) [spoiler=Spoiler alert]SGS was slowly buying 42.45ea earlier, if anyone reading this cares.

The GE is a good thing, for the most part, the restrictions that are in place on the other hand..... People have been crying wolf, and claiming that the sky is falling for a long time, Still hasn't happened.

thanks for the update langer. :) Tezz is beasting through slayer, it's really impressive to see those sort of consistent slayer gains. I'm still hoping SUOMI will be taking up slayer soon, i could picture him pulling 25m+ slayer months with the time spent logged in playing that he pulls. Nice seeing Kingduffy training all skills, yay for well rounded players. :)

97 Fishing today too, didn't bother screenying it. Will get prayer when i can be bothered sinking the last few mill needed for it down the drain. :)

To highlight on this I have two recent offers I'd like to point out: This first ZGS bought instantly at 16,400,000 so I decided to wait another 10 minutes to keep it buying slowly at its lowest sale price. Nothing happens for the next 10 minutes. My next option was to raise it so I brought it up to 16,500,000 and waited another 10 minutes. Nothing. Repeated what I had just done another 2 times and within 40 minutes I found the actual lowest sell price: 400k above what I had originally bought instantly. The GE is definitely broken. The guy who sold his ZGS for 16,400,000 should have gotten at least 400k above what he sold it for. I learnt to disregard most offers for high-ticket items that instantly get filled a long time ago, or at least treat them suspiciously. The GE seems to like pairing offers that enter it at the same time, if it can. Most likely what happened is they simply threw it in for minimum for a quick sale, at the same time you put your buy offer in, and it paired them. No idea why it does that, but it's something that most people that flip have probably seen happening before.

Yup, non combat stuff has margins like a few months after the GE came out, it's nice. Shame the limit on them isn't 10k like the other bones, crazy margin though for them. Still playing speculation here instead of flipping. :)

I can share some GE insight and add to this topic. Ever merched with friends? I don't mean manipulation, i mean merching the same items either with a timeshift, or at the same time. Let's discuss some hypotheticals. SGS is currently 41.9m average. Say i feel like flipping some: I'll ask some merch friends if they have one spare lying around they want to sell at min to find the current lower bound (highest buy offer in the GE that isn't getting insta-filled). If so, lovely, i get to find out the price i can buy them at slowly with no time wasted myself, and i owe a friend a favor later on. Otherwise, if i want to find out what the current lower bound is, I'll have to try and find it myself. There are two ways of doing this: I can do this either by offering to buy one at max, seeing what it buys for (for future reference, this is the upper bound at the time, the lowest sell offer that is sitting in the GE without getting instantly filled), and then offering to buy the rest of them at a lower price, with the intention of turning around and selling them for around what i bought that first one for, in 4 hours time. Otherwise, i can look at the GE graph of the item, have an educated guess about what the item is currently trading at, and put an offer in, then slowly raise the offer if none of them buy after a while, until they start buying (or if one buys either instantly or too quickly for my liking, i'll lower my offer and see if i can pick the rest up for a lower price). The problem with finding the price out for myself, is if i want to find it out near-instantly, I'm cutting into my profits, but i get a good idea of what i can sell them for later, assuming the market hasn't shifted too much in 4 hours, or i have the risk of not buying any for quite a while, slowing down my flipping for the day. Hence, phone-a-friend being the preferable option, if you have friends that you're willing to trade favors with, slightly cutting into both your profits but speeding up all your trades. (Don't underestimate the benefit of knowing what items are actually trading for in the GE, not paying more than you need to / selling for less than you could get when flipping adds up to allot). Now, the point of all this chit-chat wall of text, is that there have been allot of times where I've had friends ask me if i know any current prices when they get online, and I'll rattle off the current upper / lower bounds that I'm aware of. If I'm currently buying those hypothetical SGS' at ~41.55, and they put an offer in at the same price, it doesn't matter; both our offers will get filled at the same time, albeit at a slower pace than if ours was the only offer in there. First come first served? Not for buying items in bulk at least, you can throw that theory out the window. But it gets better. Say i have my offer in at 41,550,000, they put theres in at 41,555,555. Again, the EXACT same thing will happen, BOTH our offers will get filled at the same time. It doesn't matter that my offer was in first, or that they are offering MORE than i am: our offers will both slowly fill together. {* - I can and will explain, logically and reasonably, exactly why this happens, and i will later. Promise.} The fun and games don't stop there, however, it gets better. One extreme example of this, the point that I've been leading up to with all this... It would have been well over half a year ago. I remember it like it was yesterday...... the sun was shining, the birds, and possibly the neighbours were twitter'ing, the.... the GE, oh, that's right. Yes, well. A friend of mine was flipping Dragon Full Helms. I forget what the price was, but they were fairly steady at the time, and for the sake of this story, let's say he was buying them ~100k below average. I get online, ask what prices he knows, he mentions them, asks me to wait til he's done buying before i buy some, because they're a slow trading item. I agree, and put in an offer that is 300k below his, just to remind myself about them later, next time i check the GE. Half an hour to an hour later, he's asking me if i put an offer in for them, because his stopped buying. I mention the offer i put in, well below his, and we figure that someone else must have put an offer in higher than his. I go to the GE to cancel the offer i had in, to discover.... *drumroll* My offer has half-filled. My measly, pathetic, 300k lower than what someone else is willing to pay offer, is getting filled, while his is sitting stagnant not getting any sellers. The GE can and does work in seemingly mysterious ways, but selling people short of 300k for something they're selling, that they could have instantly sold for 300k more to another offer that was most definitely in the GE, is hardly "working". It is broken in ways you probably don't even want to know about, in the seemingly disfunctional way it decides to connect buyers and sellers. That said, that was a fairly long time ago. There's hopefully been some behind the scenes fixes to the GE since then, but... it's doubtful. With how secretive most people are about their offers on the GE, these sorts of situations could be happening allot without anyone being any wiser to it. Anyway, there was something i promised I'd explain earlier... {*} - The reason offers that are within a (whatever %'age margin jagex have decided) get filled at the same time, is most probably (hint: I Don't Know Everything. Speculation Follows.) this: If you have an offer in the GE, to buy or sell something, and after a while it starts filling, you're for all intents and purposes, happy. If it doesn't, it's reasonable to expect that you're going to pull the offer out and put it back in at a higher or lower price, until it does start filling. Now, ever noticed how when the GE hasn't updated for a while, say 30+hours, allot more items start trading at either their max or their min? This is because of people changing their offers because of them not filling. Items would be stuck trading near their min / max allot quicker after a GE update if offers didn't start filling AT ALL if there was a real queue system for bulk offers, because of the impatience of your average person, that wants their stuff NOW. ... Hmmn, i wasn't intenting for this to be such a wall of text. Oh well. TL;DR GE broken.

No way of knowing your luck beforehand = things may as well be random for all intents and purposes anyway, regardless of how pseudo-random and not truly random things are.

That would be quite useless and possibly even determental. :unsure: I'm thinking you meant detrimental. Yes, some of us can't ignore spelling, not when it's right after someone else comments on spelling in the previous post. Nothing to see here.

loved it. :D

Haha, love the black hatchet pic. ;) Got a few days ago, other recent levels include 99 craft / 98 thieving, however didn't bother screenying either of those

playing the speculation game here atm, can't be bothered flipping and having to constantly change offers with how crazy prices are going atm.

Max out, first off. Maybe do those quests i've been ignoring. Start raising up my minigaming skill, um, dungeoneering. Maxcash, though i like spending it on skills, so it's a constant uphill battle for it.

grats on the 250m!. :) Hmmn... DFS was allot further under ave yesterday, hmmn.... :twisted:

Yup, ZGS like to be a slow market, but with bigger margins to make up for it. Sort of like SoL vs Whip :)

I like to.... play with fire :shades: