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Where are Nadril and Baron? :P We need them in the group.

Ok are you really not managing to stay up? Every time you make a new thread it starts over. Why couldn't you have continued on this mad crusade even without the thread, and input the hours you've done so far. . .? Wait, I'm trying to talk reason with this guy.

Yeah, :roll: is the sarcasm smiley, but I think we need another. I for one tend to think very negatively when I see it. It can have pretty spiteful implications that the user didn't intend for, methinks. I had a big misundestanding with someone because of it once. We need a more moderate one.

Dammit, stop flaming people for grammar! I have never once seen a post correcting grammar that has not had grammar mistakes itself, so if you can't manage that don't even bother. And STOP SAYING REVERANTS! 'Reverant' is not a word. 'Revenant' is. Hence why JAGEX NAMED THEM THAT. R-E-V-E-N-A-N-T. . . . Yeah, I'm done now.

I hate the strings of notes that are like O-B-O-B-O-B etc. Sorry, but my pinky just can't move that fast. And if I use other fingers I confuse myself even more. Practice makes perfect I guess.

:shock: Thats sick....probably right after they raped her :wall: I've read that post four or five times now, and it still doesn't make sense... I think I got it :o! The shock emoticon refers to the video, and the rest refers to the topic. It still doesn't make sense to say that they raped her.

Jagex is not a government. Jagex is a corporation that privately owns an online game. They allow you to play their game, but you have zero rights in-game. They can do whatever they want. It is only through their graces that you are playing the game in the first place. Just like when people on Tip.It scream about free speech, the answer is the same: privately owned forum/game, you waive your rights for the privilege to use it. There is no correlation to government whatsoever.

Somehow this has survived for five hours. . . :-s

We have that in Off-Topic, thank you. And even the 'debates' in General are more intelligent than that. . .

That doesn't make the band Cream metal. And stop using elipses, for God's sake!

Haha, another GH noob. Hard mode is a [expletive]. For me anyway. Yeah, signature is still up for ideas. If you don't give me one I'll be making one for myself :o :P . Goodluckwiththegoalsandstuffnoobsaucekthxbai.

Looks like we're all pretty much on the same page :D . The thing I picked out in the beginning was the term 'natural talent,' which is a bit of a misnomer considering we've established the predisposition thing.

I have decided that this guy is insane. Can't hardly understand what the hell he's typing, and who in the world classifies Cream and Led Zep as metal?

There is a preview button for random experiments.

Uwwahhhhhh little kiddies. . . I think that's it :P . A kid from my grade school used to listen to the off-the-wall stuff like SYL and Tenacious D, he sang that all the time.

Anything :) . But going back to the skill thing for a minute, yes you need to harness and develop that skill, but you don't start with any advantages over others besides enthusiasm for it. You need to harness and develop your respective skill as much as anyone else would. The one thing that will help you, though, is the liking for it that you can be born with. All I'm saying by this is that you aren't born with 'natural talent' as it is defined by most people. Everyone has equal potential, but it is the individual who will exploit it because he finds it enjoyable. And yes, with proper application of oneself and the motivation to learn and work hard, you can do anything that you want. The one thing stopping you is this: Do you find it fun? Worthwhile? Is it worth it, to you and your life, to be pursuing this certain skill? Take a personal example from me. I've always been artistic, more into the arts than sports. I was never outstanding at sports, and after trying several I dropped them altogether save for recreational volleyball simply because I didn't find any of the others enjoyable. However, a month or so ago I was influenced by several circumstances (including a demonstration from Rebdragon :P ) to learn how to do the kip-up. Never having been at all athletic, it was going to be difficult, but after two weeks of practice I got it down. So yes, if you set you mind to it, you can achieve whatever you like, as cheesy as that sounds.

The right side of the brain is the creative side, so. . . that's a good thing. Right?

Wow, tried hard today. Only managed to beat the first four songs :wall: . I HATE that orange button. The chords would be hard enough without having to change my finger postitions for them and getting all confused. . .

You must teach a talent. You don't spring from the womb with the miraculous ability to draw amazing portraits. Rather, you spring from the womb with a natural predisposition towards drawing that makes it more enjoyable to learn. Regarding the rest of your post, yes you need those abilites to be able to draw well. And those are abilities that you learn through practice. You don't innately acquire them. You don't sit down for the first time and start drawing good due to some natural talent. You sit down for the first time and start drawing crappy due to no experience whatsoever. The more artistically inclined - that is, those who enjoy the process of making art and wish to pursue it further - will learn from their mistakes, constructive criticism, and simple observation. They will go on to become great. Those who have no patience for learning the skills you mentioned and more will be turned away in favor of something they do enjoy doing and become great at that.

Apparently your mind is so starved for inspiration because it lacks anything else as well.

Is the vocabulary of the average player so limited that half of them can't recognize that 'revenant' is, actually, a word? And 'reverant' is not? Sorry to the non-English speaking players.

Online play for Wii sucks anyway, so it doesn't really matter :lol: I beg to differ. Wii online is free, and there is no difference in quality besides the stupid friend codes, but that's not a big deal if all you want to do is play people. And downloadable content is coming in the first quarter of '08 too.

Get it for the Wii, no online play on PS2.

I believe this more than anything else. What more or less rules who you are is your DNA. Now, I'm not saying your genes will necessarily directly make you into a great artist, but it will predispose you to be one. For virtually all forms of art, you need to be creative, you need to be imaginative. Some people just aren't. They are much more methodical, more structured. Also, some personalities just don't cater to becoming an artist. For the most part, (really good) art requires you to sit/stand in one position for hours at a time, day after day for weeks or months or even years. I could never do that. I need to be active and moving. Which is why I became interested in sports at an early age and still am. I completely stink at basically an art form you name name, from music to drawing to pottery. But when it comes to sports, I'm very good at some of them and can hold my own in almost all of them. And I can pick new sports/physical activities up very quickly. Drawing is a very different case; I used to take drawing classes when I was younger and failed horribly at them. With that said, of course practice and dedication is a huge part as well. A person practicing for 1 month will almost never be as good as someone practicing for 10 years. But the person practicing for 10 years I can pretty much guarantee had some sort of predisposition towards their craft, whatever it may be. Also, I believe that "natural talent" not only functions to start people off in something, it also limits what they can achieve. I'm talking about really, really great artists here, on the order of da Vinci and company. People like them are just born with an innate ability which they fostered with years of practice. Unless you have that within you, you can "work hard" your whole life and you'll never get up to that point. Life isn't always as fair as some people would like. Basically, being successful in any walk of life, whether it be music, bodybuilding, sports, drawing, or even professions like doctor or lawyer, your genes definitely have a very large (but not complete) say in the matter. [/hide] This is almost what I'm trying to say, but with one crucial difference: you are talking about natural talent as though without it, one cannot achieve good artistic ability. This is simply not the case. As I've said before, natural talent is merely the genes you were born with that naturally dispose you to be more into art. This doesn't make you good at it, it merely makes you able to tolerate the trial and error that it takes to become good at an art, because you were born with patience and an enjoyment for it. That does not limit the candidates for artists in any way. Anyone at all can become a good artist, but if they don't enjoy it and aren't interested, they will not put the time and effort into learning to paint/draw/write etc. But just because you weren't born into a family of artists, or don't feel you are creative or expressive enough, that is not a barrier to becoming a great artist if you really want to learn.

I contend that there is no real 'natural talent.' What I'm trying to say is that what we label as natural talent is just a vested interest in the medium and a desire to stick with it and learn to become better. That you are born with. You are not, however, born with miraculous abilities to produce masterpieces whenever you so choose. You naturally lean in your interests towards certain skills, and that means that you have the resolve and the will to keep trying and learn from your failures, and also become better at observation. When you are into something like art, you start to notice the art around you and can learn simply from observation. Were you are not interested, on the other hand, skills would not develop. No one started out producing great works of art off 'natural talent,' as Nadril demonstrated. I myeself still have the pages of my first serious attempt at writing, and they are quite humorous to read in light of how far I've come. So Unorclan, don't give up, you have the potential. You just have to stick with it.