Madmanpur3

Food on the ground does nothing to help you when you're 10 hp and out of food yourself after winning a fight. It's just another major flaw in their game that they either don't realize or simply don't care about.

It's still not false. If you want to get a platebody, like many threads in H&A are about, you will get more XP from getting an adamant chainbody then a fighter torso. But it is false. 1 to 1, discounting the way you get either item, torso IS beter than addy. comparing the 2 items side by side the torso is better, and will get mroe exp FACT. What you are comparing is the time it takes to get the two items, and adding that to the equation. What i'm saying is straight out, 1 on 1, torso is better. The title doesn't say "Torso is NOT better than Adamant statwise", the title simply states "Torso is NOT better than Adamant" then in the first post the OP stated HOW adamant is better than the torso. So in terms of efficiency, the torso isn't better than adamant - which is exactly what this thread is discussing. Also to the person on the first couple of pages ranting about 'perception'... :wall: In terms of efficiency if your anally retentive then yes i agree its more efficient, but in almost all other ways it isn't, so the title is false.[/hide] You're probably the kind of person who thinks that getting full lumberjack is worth it too, huh? For me personally it was worth it as i wanted it for a goal, but thats a different argument totally. Torso probably isn't worth it in efficiency for exp, but as i said, in almost all other aspects it is better, which is not what the title says. If this was an argument on wether getting certain items was worth it then that is a totaly different argument, my argument is with the misleading title, i have satated i agree that over time and exp if your being analy retentive then yes torso is noit better, but in all other aspects it is better. The ONLY aspect in which torso is better than adamant, is purely stats. Seeing as how even that benefit is so small in the big picture, especially compared to the benefits of just going out and getting anything other than a torso, I'm failing to see how thinking addy chain > torso is only for the anally retentive. He's not suggesting that everyone goes out and gets an addy chain because it's so awesome by any means. What he's saying is that while it's not that great to train with an addy chain, it's better to train with that than a torso. The title is fine as it's clearly explained in the first post.

It's still not false. If you want to get a platebody, like many threads in H&A are about, you will get more XP from getting an adamant chainbody then a fighter torso. But it is false. 1 to 1, discounting the way you get either item, torso IS beter than addy. comparing the 2 items side by side the torso is better, and will get mroe exp FACT. What you are comparing is the time it takes to get the two items, and adding that to the equation. What i'm saying is straight out, 1 on 1, torso is better. The title doesn't say "Torso is NOT better than Adamant statwise", the title simply states "Torso is NOT better than Adamant" then in the first post the OP stated HOW adamant is better than the torso. So in terms of efficiency, the torso isn't better than adamant - which is exactly what this thread is discussing. Also to the person on the first couple of pages ranting about 'perception'... :wall: In terms of efficiency if your anally retentive then yes i agree its more efficient, but in almost all other ways it isn't, so the title is false. You're probably the kind of person who thinks that getting full lumberjack is worth it too, huh?

It's still not false. If you want to get a platebody, like many threads in H&A are about, you will get more XP from getting an adamant chainbody then a fighter torso. But it is false. 1 to 1, discounting the way you get either item, torso IS beter than addy. comparing the 2 items side by side the torso is better, and will get mroe exp FACT. What you are comparing is the time it takes to get the two items, and adding that to the equation. What i'm saying is straight out, 1 on 1, torso is better. The title doesn't say "Torso is NOT better than Adamant statwise", the title simply states "Torso is NOT better than Adamant" then in the first post the OP stated HOW adamant is better than the torso. So in terms of efficiency, the torso isn't better than adamant - which is exactly what this thread is discussing. Also to the person on the first couple of pages ranting about 'perception'... :wall:

I think Summoning would be ruined. Riot alone. And I think he was being sarcastic.

In order for something to be an achievement you need to have accomplished something, and quitting is the exact opposite of that.

The gap between reporting in runescape and in real life is just to big to compare. I would never do it irl. And the moment you did on runescape, you no longer considered that player a friend, in runescape.

You don't report friends, period. On runescape, or in real life to the police...The moment you do report them, you no longer consider them a friend - and it's not just me saying this, that's the way friendships work. Friend's look out for each other's best interests and when you start reporting them, that's no longer looking out for their best interest. Friends disagree with each other, friends talk to each other, but they don't turn each other in to authorities they have no relations with (telling their parents is one thing, telling cops is another). Also, please stop trying to discuss the morality of it...that's just 110% pure bs.

Well if this is all about 'considering the price tag' then no godsword is worth it compared to a whip or sara sword (if you're intent is str training). As to what the person above me said, godswords are way better than veracs for GWD bosses.

Flatpacks were meant to be made so that one could sell them to fellow players, the GE was meant to allow players to sell said flatpacks at whatever the going rate was, Ghrim was meant to buy flatpacks at that "going rate". If you can make an item and sell it to another player for more than it cost you to make it, that's profit. Personally I think they should focus more on fixing the GE and the unsellable items situation. An npc put in place to buy any items at 10% below market value....

[hide=n64jive quote] [/hide] I'm responding to both of your posts even tho I didn't quote the first...but while you bring up many very good points, you don't seem to realize that the same could be said for anything in life that's not a necessity. Time spent on Rs is no different than time spent at the movies with friends or sitting down playing cards.

I am very serious, I could earn 500 in no time, it's the countless hours I've put into my account that I can't get back. If I was to quit, permanently, I'd be happier to know that hundreds of hours of time spent are still somewhere I can use. I'm guessing you only read the first 4 words of my post...

Ah stop it. If you think of it from a logical point of view.... Jagex releases D-PLATE, makes it really low. Nerfs the chances of slices and the lv for smithing the plate is 92(?) Addy bars are the main source of smithing xp. Avianes are the main source of the bars. Less bars = less smithers. So if the bars go up in price over the new week, then I'll guessing they got nerf it they can't get bought up like they used to before W.G.S ? You can think logically all you want, but that won't change the fact Jagex doesn't.

Are you people serious? If it weren't against the rules to sell/buy accounts, and someone offered you even $500 - you could probably turn around and buy a better account from someone else for $400...at this point the only difference is the name of the account. Is your RuneScape characters *name* really worth that much to you guys? 5 grand, 1 million dollars, a house/car/etc...like, honestly? Honestly, I'd sell my main for anything over $200, $100 if I was gonna quit in the near future.

Back when I was using the (at the time) secret safe spot for Zilyana, I had convinced some friends that you blocked her via flowers from planting mithril seeds around her....good times.

Because a lot of players don't like mindlessly grinding skills. Personally I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet, but if they were to ban me for a stupid reason I'd probably make a different account and go into real world trading. And lol at Master Smithers explanation.

Fist of Guthix bank is only a few steps away from wild...As for fishing, there's a swordfish/tuna and lobster fishing spot on the east edge of the wilderness.

If anything, I think it'd be more like the Halloween event clothing we got this year: just a top, bottom, and cape. Yeah or more accurately, a sack to carry more items (hopefully :pray: ) holiday event items are never usefull. Never useful? Easter ring...'nuff said.

Uh, 'it should only be far thats items like fire capes and such vanish'? English please?

Quote me where I said they were profitable, please. I said you get a lot back of what you put into them...meaning you'll get a good 70-90% back in most cases.

D plates used to be considered as junk, falling down 10 percent a day. You say they just reverted? I think he's saying the guy is selling 4 dragon plates + 1 pair of claws for cash, with the plates being the junk added to the claws.

While I'd like to agree with you on this point of view, I simply can't due to JaGex's inconsistency when it comes to what qualifies as content that needs to be removed/adjusted and then proceed to claim it was a bug. Was Prayer ever destined to be trained without ever once using it? The same can be said for Summoning and Magic. Was fletching destined to be a skill trained for the sole purpose of getting a skill cape? No, it was destined to be a skill where players could make supplies to support the ranged skill. My point is, if we look at how things were destined to be in the game, then I'd say half the game needs to be redone. But you see, in JaGex's eyes those people ARE bug abusers because they've already essentially said that anything they do not like and doesn't fall under another rule, is a bug. That's their definition - it may seem stupid (it is), but that's the one they use. [/hide] To begin with, your parallels to those skills make no sense - * Prayer was always destined to be trained with bones, and you never had to use prayers to get 99 * Summoning was always destined to be trained with Charms, and you don't *have* to use a familiar to get 99 * Magic was always destined to be trained with Runes, but you DO have to cast spells to get 99 The reason that I make such a bold statement about Construction is because of its nature. It's freaking expensive to train, full stop. When it was first introduced, it was referred to as a mammoth money sink, and that should still hold true to this day -- it would cost about 60-80M to train it to 99 with Oak planks [last time I checked, which was easily a year and a half ago]. You said construction was never destined to make money, so I said that prayer was never destined to be raised without the intent of ever using it, which is obvious because if jagex never meant for it to be used they would've never created the skill - yet there are plenty of players who have prayer levels above 1 that never use it. There's a thread on RSOF where a guy is aiming to get 99 summoning without ever summoning a familiar...this is not how jagex "destined" the summoning skill to be used. Basically, there are a lot of features of skills and other content in the game that are used/done in a way that they were never destined to be used/done - this is why I can't agree with you on your point about how Construction was never meant to make money. Also, I would like to point out something that's been brushed upon already...because Construction is such an expensive skill to train, that's all the more reason it SHOULD yield some sort of benefit once you reach those higher levels. Smithing is expensive to train if you look purely at the cost of materials to 99, but in the end you get a lot back of what you put in. Same for Summoning, Cooking, Crafting, etc.

While I'd like to agree with you on this point of view, I simply can't due to JaGex's inconsistency when it comes to what qualifies as content that needs to be removed/adjusted and then proceed to claim it was a bug. Was Prayer ever destined to be trained without ever once using it? The same can be said for Summoning and Magic. Was fletching destined to be a skill trained for the sole purpose of getting a skill cape? No, it was destined to be a skill where players could make supplies to support the ranged skill. My point is, if we look at how things were destined to be in the game, then I'd say half the game needs to be redone. But you see, in JaGex's eyes those people ARE bug abusers because they've already essentially said that anything they do not like and doesn't fall under another rule, is a bug. That's their definition - it may seem stupid (it is), but that's the one they use.

Now how was it a bug? They intended it that way but it was their faulty GE prices and research into the subject that caused this. This wasn't a bug it was a mistake by the Quality Esurance team. It seems like they have rushed the last few updates and in doing so had to do more work fixing the things wrong then they would have if they tested it. I personally think they intended it to be this way because they were thinking about all the cheap flatpacks out there such as the TT ones and forgot about the ones noone buys or sells. Check your sarcasm detector again, I think it's broken.

Gee, thanks captain obvious, wonder where you got that idea from :roll: Before you try and make him look like an idiot, how about you read the rest of the responses - and if you did read them, how about you take some comprehending lessons. Most of the responses before Returned3 were replying with the understanding that the OP was another one claiming the sailing skill was going to come out (probably because they didn't bother reading what was under the picture). *points to post below* Wow, people are still failing after several posts saying that the OP is in agreement with those who say sailing isn't going to be a skill. I shall now restate what I said earlier (but seems to have been deleted) - This thread is dropping Tip.it's IQ.