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I apologized, both on this threat and in a PM. What the heck else do you want? -.- He wants a [hide=][/hide]

Hey, thanks for that. That's why I used the word "seriously" when I said that about criticism. When I did that, it was meant to be satire. So thanks for missing the point. :thumbup: Actually, RS is nice because you can play the game and stop giving them the money. Also, no it's not god given a right. It's a purchased right. 8-)

Oh, a Randite? That explains a lot! :-P I've never heard them say that. I say it from experience. No one, and I mean no one, can test software like your average Joe Idiot Player. They have a standard that we hold them to. If we don't like the product, then we no longer purchase it. There is no other standard in the world of commerce (barring government regulation). I do wonder how the teleport bug and free plank bug got through, though. However, I know enough to not immediately jump to "they were stupid" - because it's more complex than we think. As for the numerous construction bugs - no. I don't wonder. State changes (ie, building mode, "in house mode") are notoriously hard to get right, ESPECIALLY when there are multiple (unexpected) transitions between the modes. We prefer the term "objectivist." And they said it a couple of months ago. Can't remember who. Probably MMG. He mentioned it in a Q&A thing I believe. And I hold them to a standard. They're failing to meet it. My membership runs out today. Where as I used to keep it going all the time, not much anymore. I'll probably take another 3 months off at least. More than likely I'll wait until the end of the Upgrayedd year.

I don't know if you're a boy or a girl, but I don't care. I love you...

I'm sure Adam Smith said it first, but when I said it, I was thinking of Ayn Rand. Though as someone born in Scotland, I love Adam Smith as well. Yes, QA does get cut, which again falls on the shoulders of management. And Ravian, I get the point. My issue is with something as blatantly obvious as monsters not fighting back and invalid teleports. The invalid teleport is a great example. This is something that affected every single person that I know of on this game and on these forums. How in the world does that get by them? Any person playing the update on a server would've caught that. I bring up my point I made earlier that they need a private server that they play their normal accounts on. Run through it. Now of course this won't get out many bugs, but it wills top things so apparent as invalid teleport. I know bugs happen. I know they're unavoidable. But we are talking about massive bugs, bugs that completely hinder an update. We aren't talking about glitchy cut scenes, issues with chatsheads, etc. These are very noticable bugs. And yes, you can pound the idea that 50,000 people will do more testing than any QA team can manage... blah blah blah. I love how this only became a valid point after Jagex said it and now it's repeated ad nauseum when I never heard in mentioned before that in my 7 years of playing the game. Point is. Massive bugs. Too commonplace. No one holding them to any sort of standard. Everyone just says how hard it is and apologizes for them. I pay them money. I hold them accountable. And oh Draconic, thanks for redacting down what was meant to be a simple analogy. No, cars and software can't be compared exactly to each other. Thanks for letting the point fly over your head. Let's try this. Your car breaks down every 2 weeks. Anyone who's played RS this year would say that this is a very apt comparison to their updates. Then they have to fix it. The question is why does my car keep breaking down? Of course that comparison doesn't really follow the right pattern. So before someone breaks it down and tells me it's wrong, I'm saying it's wrong. I'll beat you to it. It's just meant to be funny.

Oh, I don't think I've ever really seriously criticized the programmers themselves. My isssues lie with the QA team and the people in charge at Jagex. Despite what everyone would say about me, I don't want rushed updates. I just want good , solid updates that aren't painful to play because of all the bugs. I personally like the guy who ran it last like a business. I do think f2p should be a demo. I do think it should be used in ways to advertise the members. I think membership should be their primary goal. The goal to make money. How do to make the money? By producing the best damn game they can. Rational self-interest. =D>

I seen you shilo earlier; i walked into bank; bout to click the print screen; mouse moved; went o click again and you teled :wall: Oh yeah, I was there getting a new slayer assignment. I don't hang around Shilo much.

Another pale, doughy Englishman. What a shock! :o Honestly, could they be any more stereotypical? :roll:

No, but the point is their performance. They are a business. It doesn't matter what business you're in, but when you start taking people's money then you find yourself in a position where your job performance matters. And as big a company as they think they are, they have standards they need to living up to. Some people think they are, some people think they aren't. I think that when compared to their updates past, the present falls short.

Exactly, people also seem to forget that Construction has been one of the biggest sources of bugs when it comes to skills. I'm really sorry, but that has got to be the biggest piece of .... reasoning i've ever heard. What you mostly are hinting there is that fally massacre was just a small bit of fun and not really anything bad at all. The reason you gave should infact have made the QA team think twice before releasing this piece or garbage(the update itself was great, the programming behind it was the worst in 3 years). I bet it wouldn't be so much fun if you had died at the massacre? It's annoying how people always complain about the bugs and stuff, do it better and quit complaining. Once again I must point out the invalidity of your argument. Just because we can't do something ourselves doesn't mean we can't evaluate it. I may not be able to perfectly cook a piece of filet served with a piece of seared foie gras on top, but it doesn't mean I can't tell when someone screws it up.

An old fat guy, a black guy who's 20 years past relevance, and Mini Me. Talk about a ringing endorsement. :roll:

Well, from what is said by them, many of the employees there have their own personal accounts. I can't see how they can't have their own beta world, privately for use by them, and set it up that they can beta test their own updates with normal accounts. That would sure as hell solve thing like "invalid teleport." And as far as the complexity of coding, so what? Cars can be complex too. If my car breaks down and I take it to get someplace fixed and they patch it up for 2 weeks, that sucks. It happening every 2 weeks would really get on your nerves. Runescape appears to be a game on continous n word-rigged. :wall:

Here's what I'd do. Sent them a little box with a decaptiated rat in it. Include the note with the banned RS name on it saying "Check my appeal or you'll end up like this rat." I guarantee that you'll get a response of some sort. :thumbup:

As someone who's never PKed, doesn't rwt, doesn't pvp, or really do anything, the trade limits have never affected me. The only thing I can't just give stuff to people anymore, which really only hurts other people, not me.

*grateful Yes people seem to forget how the employees are infact human and problems do occur, also forgetting that requires people to stay in the offices after closing hours fixing bugs. Weekly updates is hard to pull off every week consistantly and of a good quality that has its uses, and we do get something worth doing every week so I have no complaints, the bugs with the housing was annoying yesterday, but it was just temporary so 8-) Yes, they're human. They're human, they're fallable, and they're prone to making mistakes. Just because they're human doesn't mean we can't hold them to certain standards and criticize them when they don't meet those standards. Granted most complainers don't really have any defined standards because they just want to moan about everything because they're unhappy. Still, I think the issues with bugs is becoming far too commplace. That's just my opinion. And Smelly, I have this urge to bleach you. :P

um, I think the difference is that you set the left click option to attack, while he didn't. I don't think he set his up. He didn't set it up because he didn't know how. Not because he's stupid as you suggest, but because he didn't read it properly and was ignorant of how to do it.

If anything, with less people playing at the end of the summer, they're will be less raw matierals coming into the game, so wouldn't the price go up?

You can set the summoning button with a left click and choose several options. Set it to attack and the next time you get into a fight, left click the button and your summon will go right after it. :P

Yeah, but they're footballers. Ugh. -.-

I'd throw squirrels. I think you'd get better distance and accuracy. 8-)

What I've learned from this thread is that if you want to find a tip.iter, go to W99 Shilo Village. :P

I had this exact same problem, like um 6 years ago. At that time I just ran to another spot, swtiched worlds, and walked out. But next time, bring a teleport. Duh.

I have never played WOW--even try it but it doesn't take a genious to figure out that WOW is generally considered to be a better game. That is why it is mainstream and RS is not. I am not talking about just graphics either. Whether it be the way they treat their customers, their general attitude, the effort that is put in the updates--it is better than RS. The sad thing is, RS has so much potention but it is wasted. For instance, we haven't had one major update this whole year. Only thing MMG has done is talk the talk, he has yet to walk it. The current state of updates is "We want to surprise the fans, we like to keep them on their toes, which basically means we won't tell you anything about anything--which means no BTS and we will just throw some random updates along the way". There is very little to look forward. Seriously, I don't get upset over why WOW is mainstream, and you shouldn't either, the reasons are clear. I don't expect RS to be mainstream anytime soon, not until there is a REAL change in the attitude of the administration and they get serious about RS. WoW is only "mainstream" for 3 reasons. 1) It's American. Runescape is British. It's much bigger in America than anywhere else. 2) They advertise. Runescape doesn't. They don't need to. Plus, I like playing Runescape because my life won't revolve around it, like it does for most WoW players. 3) Southpark. They did an episode. They did WoW only because the graphics translated better onto TV than what RS was at the time. Other than that, they aren't mainstream. They're just loud. Runescape is low key.

I guess what bothers me most about the bugs is that the argument goes that when hundred of thousands of players play, then this will be more testing than any QA team can accomplish. Okay, I get that. My issue is that *every* single person I talked to had these issues, so how could this have gotten by them? Seems like any person could've figured out this was screwed up.

You have obviously never heard the scouse accent, try saying chicken while bringing up as much flem as possable then you will have the scouse accent, there is nothing cheery about it. Yes I am scouse. We have pale people cos our weather is crap 360 days of rain 4 and quater of sun ... if were lucky, not all of us are pale, for instance have you ever seen a girl whos face has so much make up on there orange but there neck is white? Saying "attraction rating is lower than say American, Canada, France." shows you don't know a thing about genetics, which is further proven by the fact that a computer can't change the way your face looks. Seriously trying to rip into the British is usless, we do a better job of it than you can. We make the Americans look even worse ... which isn't hard, just look who most Americans thought was the best man to rule the most powerful nation on this planet, before obama. I'm actually Scottish. Born there, lived there until I was 6, then got moved to Florida. I know a little bit about the UK. Some seriously unattractive people, though not nearly as fat as Americans. And we'll see just how much worse Obama can screw up than Bush did. Nationalized healthcare here we come. :x