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Congratz, they finally did it =D> :

Warriormonkx - Ultimate Guide to Ancestral Bones - Range XP + Money! Could be ranged, could be prayer, could be other, could be special. I don't know which is most appropriate.

-.- He obviously didn't read anything. Ignore. Anyways, this is very well thought out and well written! Some pictures (I know making pictures for new content is hard ;) ) would be nice, but it is great as it is! It's tough to say, whether this should be a new skill or a skill addition, since it shares so many elements of hunter/slayer and other skills. Perhaps it could not be a new skill, but yield skill-related xp rewards? 100% Support :thumbsup: Nice work.

UPDATED: Best > Better > Good setup lists added to Equipment section Currently I am working on profit and range xp rates per hour/trip.

Really? They usually damage me at least once per trip with 82 defense, usually only 1, but it still diseases you. Maybe I'm unlucky? Weird about the familiar immunity. That makes karamthulus even better as a choice :)

If you follow this guide, please post pictures of your loot to add to the new loot section of the thread! Thanks : !

Thanks everyone! I have updated the guide with the Void Setup and some other small changes.

Ah, yes full void would be ideal after 89 combat. I'm 110, but I have never done PC enough to have full void, do you have a picture of the setup of full void? I suppose I can keep the tank method up as a way for players under level 89. Although you are correct after 89 tanking isn't necessary. Banking the keys is actually something I normally do as well. I thought I said this in the guide, I'll add this. Thanks! :

That's a lot of profit for 35 keys, over 40k just from the 2 ourg bones. I would say that's a lucky round, but a useful image to use. Thanks for the fayrg image! I'm currently doing about 100 runs to see the average range xp per hour and money earned per trip.

Ouch, the difference is clear. Low level thieves beware :ohnoes: I'll post that example, thanks!

That would be helpful! Have you had the same bad luck? I will give credit to any info you give :

Ancestral Bones Guide Range XP + Money! Version 1.8 News and Updates: Thread Opened 10/13/2008! This is my very first guide ever! : Constructive feedback is appreciated! Coming Soon: Experience Rates and Profit Rates per hour (still calculating, sorry! :? ) I am working to make this guide more visually appealing. If anyone would like to make a banner or other special image for me, I would eagerly welcome that :mrgreen: ! [hide=Introduction and Requirements]Welcome to my guide on collecting the infamous Zogre ancestral bones! You will learn how to do so efficiently and with potential profits, or even some nice prayer experience :pray: ! Before you continue reading, make sure you meet at least the minimum requirements listed below: Minimum Requirements Zogre Flesh Eaters 30 Ranged (to wield the composite bow) Recommended Levels 70+ Ranged 70+ Defense (if tanking) Mithril Brutal Arrows and above The Ideal Levels 89+ Combat 80+ Ranged (very fast kills with this) Adamant Brutal Arrows and above[/hide][hide=Equipment and Inventory]Our goal is to loot the Ogre Coffins. There are two ways to do so. One way is to pick-lock them, which is discussed at the end of this guide. The other, far more efficient way is to kill the Zogres that roam the tombs. They have just about a 100% chance of dropping Ogre coffin keys, and are very easy to kill with the right equipment. The Zogres can only be effectively attacked with brutal arrows (I tested the whip, it has a max hit of 5-6 at 80 strength). The Ogre composite bow, which is created during the Zogre Flesh Eaters quest, is the only bow that can fire these arrows. Therefore, we will be using Ranged to tackle these opponents. Below is what I recommend you bring: Tank Setup Helmet: Torags/Guthans/Dharoks > Helm of Neitiznot (charged if using familiar) > Armadyl Helmet > Robin Hood Hat > Archer Helmet Cape: Accumulator > Attractor > Any cape with defense bonuses Amulet: Fury > Glory Arrows: Brutal Arrows (over mithril preferably) Chest: Armadyl Chestplate > Black Dragonhide > Karils Leathertop Legs: Armadyl Plateskirt > Black Dragonhide > Karils Leatherskirt Weapon: Ogre Composite Bow Boots: Ranger Boots > Snakeskin > Bandos Boots (for defense) Gloves: Barrows > Black Dragonhide Vambraces Ring: Duelling* > Archer Ring *The main use for the ring of duelling is getting to castle wars. It is a very short walk from the bank to the Zogre tombs, so after you arrive you may want to consider banking the duelling ring and switching it for an Archer. I recommend this setup for players new to the Zogre tombs, as well as players with a combat lower than 89. The key here is balancing Ranged Attack Bonus with Defense bonuses. The Zogres will inflict disease upon you if they damage you, but will not if they deal 0 damage. Therefore, it is ideal that you wear at least some melee armor to decrease the chances of becoming diseased. The inventory contains a Range potion, for increasing your performance versus the Zogres. The defense potion is recommended so as to further decrease the chances of becoming diseased. What could the 20k coins be for? This is for buying Relicyms Balm from the ogre outside the tombs should you become diseased. Three doses will fully cure your disease. Important: be sure to have already unlocked the ogre general store by the tombs. Taken from the Zogre Flesh Eaters quest guide... "After the quest, mix a bottle of Relicym's Balm and give it to Uglug Nar who will pay you some coins for it (1000 gp for 4 doses). After that, you are able to buy from his store (the prices will be lower). Among the items are achey wood, bowstrings and Relicym's Balm." The ring of duelling should be equipped to save inventory space and to provide easy access to the nearby Castle Wars bank. Void Setup Credit to Aslan for the Void Image Helmet: Void Ranger Helm Cape: Accumulator > Attractor > Any cape with defense bonuses Amulet: Fury > Glory Arrows: Brutal Arrows (over mithril preferably) Chest: Void Top Legs: Void Bottom Weapon: Ogre Composite Bow Boots: Ranger Boots > Snakeskin > Bandos Boots (for defense) Gloves: Void Gloves Ring: Duelling* (footnote above) > Archer Ring This setup is ideal for high level rangers who will be using safespots. Because Zogres become unaggressive at 89 combat, you will find yourself not in need of much defensive equipment. You may want to replace the defense potion with a super restore potion, in case the disease lowers your Ranged stat before you get the chance to drink a Relicym's balm. Also, you may want to consider using the Hawk Eye prayer (+10% Ranged), to increase your kill speed. Bracelet of Inoculation While it may seem like a helpful tool after reading the knowledge base entry, it has a very minimal effect versus disease damage. It lessens the effect of disease by a small amount. You will still take disease damage, just not as much. I do not recommend taking this item, as Barrows Gloves or vambraces are a better alternative for their range bonuses.[/hide][hide=Getting There]The map below shows the easiest way to get to the Zogre tombs. Use a ring of duelling to teleport to Castle Wars. Once you reach the entrance, climb over the rubble as shown below: [/hide][hide=Obtaining Coffin Keys]The combat begins! Here you will kill Skogres and Zogres, whichever is closer to you, I haven't found a particular difference between the two, although Skogres might possibly be weaker. There are two main safe spots in this area in which you can avoid being hit and possibly diseased, shown below: Safespot #1 Your accumulator will NOT retrieve arrows using this safe spot, so do not delay in picking them back up. This is the easiest safe spot to use, a Skogre spawns very close to the fence. Safespot #2 This one is a bit more tricky. You have to attack the Zogre/Skogre when it is walking beyond the square blockage so it will get stuck on it when it tries to attack you. You may have some problems using this safespot, practice makes perfect! : Bestiary Information: Zogre (level-44), Skogre (level-44) Once a Zogre is dead, pick up the bones and the key (you may also want to pick up any gold charms that they drop). The bones currently sell for around 500 gp each in the Grand Exchange. Hang on to them! Once you have a full inventory of bones and keys, proceed to the three coffins in the room beyond.[/hide][hide=The Spoils!]The Ogre coffin keys may only be used once. They disintegrate in the lock when used, and so you must kill more Zogres to continue collecting loot. Possible junk loot includes: -Nails -Coins -Daggers -Axes -Rusty Swords/Damaged Armor The rewards that we are after include (GE prices may be out of date, I will update when I can): -Zogre Bones --> 500 each in GE -Fayrg Bones --> 2k each in GE -Raurg Bones --> 4k each in GE -Ourg Bones --> 18k each in GE :o While the better bones are more rare, every trip I get at least 2 or 3. Even if you are unsuccessful in getting the better bones, you are guaranteed income from the Zogre bones. Per trip (about 5-10 minutes a trip) I can collect a minimum of 8k cash value in Zogre bones! If you would like to explore the tombs underground, here is the map: When you are done with the trip, simply bank at Castle Wars and repeat! Alternative Way You can stock up on keys and bones, bank the keys every trip, and then later travel to the tombs with a full inventory of keys, rather than half Zogre bones, and the other half filled with keys (thanks Aslan!)[/hide][hide=Thieving Method]Unless you are extremely skilled at thieving (90+), this is a very bad way to collect Zogre bones. While the coffins have a low requirement to pick-lock, you fail very often at 60+ thieving and are diseased as well. Also, failure results in a -2 drain to your thieving level. I do not want to explain this method much more simply because I have tried and failed many, many times. Thieving Example (credit to Aslan for this information!) Experiment 1: 100 Thieving (99 + Skillcape) Started at 5:35:45 Ended at 5:36:45 Result: 1 minute for 5 chests Conclusion: A lot better than Experiment 2, but still rivals the ranging method Experiment 2: 65 Thieving Started at 5:58:20 Ended at 6:00:50 Result: 2 minutes and 30 seconds for 3 chests->sick and caught Conclusion: Even at 65 Thieving this method is almost 5x as slow as ranging[/hide][hide=Summoning in the Zogre Tombs]I have tested many familiars, and I have found one that I particularly find helpful when killing Zogres. The Karamthulu Overlord is very effective versus Zogres and can almost double the speed of kills. It is also ideal because it does not require a high summoning level to use. Of course, you can use any combat familiar you wish. BoB familiars are also useful for more bones/trip, but the close proximity of Castle Wars bank makes this less important. Beasts of Burden are also helpful to hold more bones and ogre keys. You can decide which class of familiar you wish to use. The bank is a short walking distance from the tombs, so BoB's might not be needed here.[/hide][hide=Credits]Thanks for reading my guide! I wish you well in your trips to the Zogre tombs! :D Credits to: Me for typing this guide Thanks to Aslan for Thieving information, and the void setup image Jagex for creating RuneScape Tinypic.com for hosting my pictures (imageshack didn't do so well) Tip.it Forums for hosting my guide![/hide][hide=Loot Pictures]Post pictures of your loot on this thread and I will add it here so others can see what kind of profits they could make! Loot from 35 Ogre Coffin Keys: [/hide]

The cave method is better. Without a light source you are hit 1 damage every 1/3 second. So, you will degrade one level in about 1 minute 24 seconds.

if you have 80 attack, with 10% you have 88. If it is more complex, like 15% of 87 attack, just use the calculator on the computer. If they did this it might be confusing as to whether your stats were being affected by a potion or prayer. Maybe a small icon of the prayer could appear in the stats screen.

This happens a lot at castle wars on the walls and hills. It's a cool bug :) , not sure how it is done though.

Guthix books aren't worth it, it has too little defense and attack bonus for a shield. Zamorak has high value mainly because of it being a god item for God Wars, and the range bonus. Saradomin has better value because it is a god item as well, but not nearly as much as zamorak because it has only defense stats. Zamorak pages are very hard to get now. As mentioned, the new tt rewards made them more rare. Now the server as a bigger list of rewards to choose from.

If you need a setup as an attacker, I use: Whip DFS Veracs Helm Amulet of Fury Karils Top Torags Legs Bandos Boots Barrows Gloves Ring of Life/Berserker Ring/Wealth/Warrior Ring/any ring lol Zamorak God Cape (from mage arena) My avatar picture is from a bandos trip I did once : This way you can easily get your kc at the goblins by the Gorak, since you have a zamorak item. Don't forget a hammer! :wall:

I can't stand someone, especially someone with much less experience in the game (okay, so looking them up on high scores does not say how long they have played but you get a general idea of their experience) who reads me the rules. I sometimes get someone who dictates a kbase article to me. Thanks, I can read. :? (or can I?) There is also a difference between wannabe mods and people just trying to help. Wannabe mods will break the rules by spamming you with "zomg reported" and "I think you are breaking rules (not ever true :roll: )" I have empathy for you, I've had many situations like that. Looks like the Reporting Academy really worked ;) :wall:

Wow lol lots of different opinions. I just got assigned Warped Terroribirds I'll see if what you say is true. Thanks a lot for the suggestions! :

I just tested them, they are the same. That seems a bit of a waste, at 70 prayer chivalry is obsolete? They should change that.

If you don't want to read the long article, here is a short summary. When you die, if you have more than 3 items with you, a gravestone appears in the spot where you died. It lasts from 2-5 minutes, depending on which gravestone you have chosen. You can choose gravestones at the priest in the Lumbridge church or the stone mason in Keldagrim. Players with 70 prayer can bless gravestones so that they last for up to 60 minutes. Other players can repair gravestones to keep them alive a little longer. Hope that helped! ;)

You can definitely solo, especially with that 84 defense, but if you use prayer you still can. But I have tried soloing the mole, even with a familiar to track it, it is very dull and boring. The "profit" from the claws and skin is very minimal. Little xp value as well.

I think you are probably getting reports from a string of very lucky players. I average 100k income per task (usually of 130-180), I don't think that is considered a great money making monster. I get most of the profit from Rune Arrow drops, ranarrs, the rest from half keys, misc drops, and rune scimitars, which don't happen as often.

:shock: Wow it looks great, can't wait to read it all! =D> Thanks a bunch!

Melee pray and d hide has never worked for me. I always get hit a lot (with 82 def and 80 mage) up to 20. Instead, pray against magic, drink an antipoison, and dds spec the wizard. This should be an easy kill, eating a couple of monkfish max. :)