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I know that the ugunt potion is a member object, because it says so on the item itself, and its gone after I gave it to Wendy so she can do her potion thing if I gave her a cat. For the gouloush, it didn't say anything except gouloush, so hopefull I can keep it and drink it later on, heck I might just keep one not drink for the memory of it, lol of course thats assuming they dont disapper on me after halloween, I know at least candies are

Hmm, didin't know to check here for most of the response, so now I know that all F2P can do is sweep the floor with it....no pun intended as for gouloush, anyone think that we can keep those in bowls well after the Halloween is over for F2P?

Hope someone can clearify this for me (Jagex description is abit vauge here) So for the halloween event, we get warlock top, bottom, and cape for the halloween quest, we get the following broom 10 gouloushes one potion to turn your cat purple for the most part, most of the forum response have solved my questions, my only question remain is, can we keep the gouloushes in the bank so we can use them later on? I know that maggies wagon might be gone from F2P world once Halloween is over, so we had to keep the broom (and the potion, keepsake I guess), in our bank from disappering too, but I wonder if we can keep it in the bank and use those gouloushs later on?

For purple cat and enchantment of the broom after you get them, some of them is open for member only right? Since we can't get cat in f2p, and there are some places we cant access on F2p servers ed: on the potion says member object, so nvm for golaush, you think we can save it and drink them later? lol

I go for functionality. Which means I probably wont wear rune armours when I am training non combat skill. Monk robes, random event clothes are all good. I believe some actually dress less fancy to avoid attract too much attention too.

I dont see how that ruins the fun of MMO. The reason you go to a spot is to train, you are going there with the mindset that hoping no one would be there so you have the whole place to yourself (aren't we all)? I have no problem with people come share spot and train. I am not going to ask them to leave just because I was there first. If I feel the place is too crowded to get good xp, I will hop myself to save the trouble. Further more, there are instances you have to fight for your training spots, thats part of the fun (and dont forget, this is a competitive resource gathering game). If I always hop when someone comes around, then there is no point to train anymore, because even if I hop to another empty world same thing will happen again. If you have high skill lvl or combat lvl, thats your advantage against other because you can train faster and last longer than anyone else. All the resources are there, its fair game that anyone can go for it. in any case you rarely see anyone stay at one spot that long. PS: The one that more so annoying are the ones that start to insult if you dont do what they want, and thats why we have noob say the funniest thing thread.

Ty ty, now thats more specific enough

Even though I am F2P, we do encounter problems like that in places like craft guild for gold ores. Most of people I see tend to hop away the moment they see someone is there. But to be really honest, there only are so many worlds around for everybody, its hard to find a server thats completely void of people (except when people are sleeping) For the most part, I usually there first and then people hop in to the world, and upon seeing someone there they left. However, I do have occasions where people just asked me nicely to "change" world. Though I am glad they are polite, but I usually stick around, I won't ask anyone to leave, I will just stay around and do my own things until I am finished. (I usually make that clear so they either move on, or stick around) Unless they want to share the ores, and we both got equal number of rocks. This happen at ice giants place near port sarim alot, but for the most time, people would just compete for giants anyways unless they are either out of food, or lose interest and hop worlds again. PS: I thought this is regarding to turning your chat off while you are hopping worlds, its kind of annoying if you keep on popping in and out that spammed up their private friend chat display.

Actually, I never really understand the word "spam" that much. How do you define spam, like posting msgs that's unrelated to the topic? I just want to clear it up so I don't get carry away when I am posting something on forum

First off, stop messing around guys, just tell him that its against the Runescape rules that any of the account you created CAN NOT have any interaction with each other. This means drop item and let one pick up, or give items to your friend and have you friend transfer them again to you. Since the trade limit being introduce, you can't do that anyways. Lastly, go read the entire rule section again, sometimes people assuming some actions are legitamant (SP?) but yeah, best read through them again and make sure you adhere all of them strictly so you dont get nick in the back for breaking a rule that you thought it was ok.

Thanks for all the positive input again, I didn't know people would actually pay attention to this guide. I originally intend to put this in the help and advice section to help some people with their smith and mage. I never intend to make this into a guide in the first place (until I saw the recommended format for guide writing, so I just format my "essay" into a guide format) Regarding to steel bar, you can train mage xp easy if you just superheat your steel bars, but you will lose cash, since the cost of everything add up to be more of the price of steel bars. The only way you wont lose cash is that if you mine part or all the ores. Say if you go to mining guild, and then mine 25 iron ores, and then move to mining guild coal section, and then mine coal and superheat, then you wont lose cash. But its just psychology, because you are simply mining your own ores and then part of profit got minus because you add nat into your equation. Example Steel bar = 600ea, coal 168 ea, iron 93 ea, nat 243ea Superheat Steel bar = 600 - 243 (nat) = 357k profit but 53k mage xp per 1k steel bars Smelt steel bar (when you mine all your own coal and iron) = 600k Smelt the bought ores into steel bars = 171k after minus the initial cash you put for buying ores Someone mention that as your superheat high lvl bar, you will lose less cash, thats true because the prime ores (mith, addy, runite, and iron) takes the base of the equation, the greater value of prime ores, it will offset the cost of coal, and nat. Which make addy and runite ideal (but hard to say now since pvp world completely changes the ores trend at this moment) Current update, due to the recent update of pvp worlds, alot of prices are affected greatly, this includes ores as well, let me elaborate on few things. Addy ores and bars have shot up dramatically, they are priced at 1141 and 2362 repectively (and subject to change) Mith ores also gone up abit albeit not that much 173ea atm Coal dropped few gp since pvp world introduction 168ea Now is where you need to get creative, and adapt to the situations, I use this equation to help. bar (product) = coal + ores + nat (component) when one of the component drops, I usually buy it in greater quality and in cheaper price, for example, when coal start to drop (at 172 to 171ea) I buy coal at 164 ea (up to 20k or 50k per amount), during the phase of dropping, people tend to get scare if it will go down and start to sell out more, as long as you dont set it at min price, people still sell it and dont think its a total loss to them when one of the component is going up, like addy ores for example, I was able to get them for 1k ea just 2 weeks ago, now I can't really get them even at 1150 ea, at this point, look at price of the bar, use the one thats already bought, coal and nat, to set your standard 6 coal (984) + nat (243) + addy ore 1150 = 2377ea Now since the medium price is at 2362, people think, thats losing cash, but you have to sell your bar alot higher than that, first off, hit a round number, means you can start selling at 2.4k, This also means that you can potentially buy your addy ores at even higher price, say 1170 since you "know" you will sell it for 2.4k anyways, you will still make profit by 3gp ea. people will buy them for higher price for bar if lower price dont sell, and they expect it happen since cost of addy ore gone up (I sold mine for 2.42k, but I only make about 30gp profit since I bought my nat for 260ea 5 months ago), you sell it high enough that you earn a profit, but still low enough to entice the buyers to buy (in fact one of my friend sell 2 different price, he has 2 slots, one sell for 2.42k, one sell for max price, this works well since he would sell at least lower price one, but if max price sell too, he just got lucky) Have patience, keen eye, and keep track of price trend is all you need And again, since the cost of addy ores is going up, I dont really do much in the mean time except to wait because they are slowly pushing up to the margin where people are selling them near max price that makes this superheating method improperble. So while I wait, I do 2 things, I bought mith ores at 165ea for 2k of them, then I start train superheating mining with them. Even if the mith bars dont go up, I can still sell it and earn profit, ableit less, or I can simply smith them into mith plate and high alc later. Either way I get profit since I mine the coal myself. 2nd thing, since coal is dropping, there is a good chance to buy them for 161 to 162 ea, since min price is 159ea, and med price is still 168 ea, if the coal start to drop again, I sold all the coal I bought for 162ea and get profit that way by the difference (so called merchanting), or when the coal start to go up, I either hold the coal to make into bar later, or sell it when the price peaked. (which later on my friend described as let your money work for you ^_^) The only risk is that if you buy it for large amount, you might risk losing cash when coal price crashes to less than 159ea (but I am sure you will sell it before then), which means, check price EVERYDAY Again, another long response, when it comes to this type of things, there are ways to counter it, but so far, following those rules, I didnt even lose a single gp (mathmatically speaking) to get my smith to 93, in fact, I probably earn total profit of few mil from it at least. PS: you can start mining now at few mining site that has coal, mith, and addy ores, superheat there, and bank for more, for some reason, they are all very empty now, and I assume thats part of the good thing from pvp world introduction (everyone too busy pking)

One happen to me occasionally, one happens just today. Whenever I am training something, people that notice my combat lvl (lvl124) would start asking me where is my skillcape, but since I am f2p, so yeah, no cape, but, here is how the conversation goes (and its usually almost word for word) player: wow, where is your skillcape me: skillcape is member only player: no, its not, non member can wear it too me: you can only get them in a member server, which means you have to be a member, or was one player: no, you can ask the skill tutor and then he will mention that at lvl 99 you can get the cape, why would they put it on if you cant get it me: perhaps you should read about skillcape again from jagex knowledge base and stop assuming things player: yeah, whatever "insert minor insult here" (usually noob, nolifer, nerd, fool) me: if I get a nickel everytime someone ask me that skillcape question again, I would be so rich by now. Happen today, mining at craft guild since it was surprisingly empty, in just short 30 minutes, 7 people have come and go (one after another, some saw my combat and left immediately), and all 4 of them start of with this player: what is your mining lvl? me: 92 player: go mine runite me: its ok, I dont like world hopping much player: its more cash me: thats ok, I enjoy spending time here mining and watching cows go moo at this point, 2 other just log off the other 2 are slightly different lvl 55 player: I can own you in wildy me: really? lvl 55 player: I am a pure me: cool lvl 55 player: i have lvl 99 range (I didn't bother to highscore him, but almost 99 percent sure he is not) me: whats that got to do with anything? lvl 55 player: I can kill you in wildy you nerd before I said anything (I was going to say I have lvl 99 range too), he logged off 2nd guy Lvl 92: plzzzzzz, can you change world? me:? lvl 92: plz, can you change to another world? me: why? me: there are 5 people that come and go already, I am simply mining here, you can mine here too lvl 92: plz man, just change to another world lvl 92: then I will love you me: eh.....right lvl 92: come on man, just change world me: sorry, I am just going to mine here and he probably logged off while we were waiting for ores to spawn I dont consider people noob, its just sometimes things they said really make me wonder if they actually think anything logically before the words left their mouth

Bump bump, hope Halloween event coming out soon

I guess you don't, and you dont really have to take the word for it. At least not to those 200 players on the list, for all we know, they could have be members at one point? lol Again, its those comment like these that really got people into heated discussion, I guess unless Jagex made an official F2P list (that would be totally awesome), we wil never know, at least I dont see how anyone could log in to member world and try to devoid all the contact, without accidently set something off and get some member xp.

In fact, lets start with those 99 prayer 899k big bones time 350 ea (check the GE) 314mil not 3 bil, you will get pray xp too if you train with ice giants, by the time you get lvl 124 with all melee stat 99 and range 99 you might end up with 2.4mil xp in prayer. So thats from 314mil to 248mil, not to mention you going to get alot of stuff from ice giants (which might worth 40mil by itself) that plus Runite mining per hour 35 to 42 runite per hour (427k to 512K) done 99 Crafting, 350k cow hides 38mil, or abit lazy, tanned leather.....53mil, and they actually do worth few mils if you sold all that amount to general store, at least few mils again with runite mining problem solved You dont need to fish sharks or monks to get good lvls, flying fishing is fast too, in fact, I used to fish lobs and just toss them to general store in kara, and I never have to leave the island. Since fishing is a passive skill, you can sit there and do alot of reading, so you are technically, not wasting time (homework, academic stuff, studying for your final exams) 99hp, thats probably one of the easiest to get since you have ot get str, def, and atk 99 anyways, (btw, train str 1st, then atk, then def) by the time I got all 3 lvl 99s plus range 99, I have 17mil xp in hp, oh and if you train with ice giants and bury their bones, each lvl 99 melee xp give you about 600k xp in prayer....... Granted, they do take time, but hey, its reasonable if you chop it into 4 to 6 years, and we are not talking about you play for a month, and quit for 3 months, and come back on a whim. We are talking about consistently playing 1 to 3 hours per day or every other day. And hey, if you can manage that with your life, work, study, and play time, its all good. In short, those high lvl players with lvl 99 skills are the ones who stick to their goals and doing bit by bit.

If anyone want me to post a xp chart for F2P in every skill per estimated time, I can do it. In fact, there are probably other better ways to train too.

It's certainly possible to achieve lvl 99 all F2P, it just take longer time compare to P2P. And its not really about practical either, basically, when you spend time playing a game (video game or sport wise), and playing it too much that it interfere with your normal daily life, its not practical (unless you happen to be a professional sport player) Everytime time I see the term "no lifer", I know somewhere in the back of my mind that I want to say what I do in real life to "prove" that I indeed have a "life" outside of RS. But again, if I do that everytime someone said it to me, it will be endless discussion. The thing you have to know is, once you start training, and training a skill effectively, it actually doesn't take that long to train it. In fact, alot of F2P skills are easier now thanks to the new updates such as grand exchange. Take cooking for example, you can now buy tons of raw food without looking for them in world 1 or other trading worlds, and some of them such as trout are only 30gp something each. Prayer is hard to train, but once you have alot of cash, its easy. Same goes for crafting, and smithing. Alot of "resource" skill is actually really easy if you have alot of cash to spend, and the most effective way in F2P is runite mining. Profit would start at 300k per hour if you world hop and time yourself to mine runite. Not to mention some merchant on the side to generate extra cash. Combat is easy to train once you lvl up, you can hit more, and take more hits, allows you to stay at one spot for long time, in fact, with full rune, full lobs, and red spidys ready, you are pretty much one hitting machine, standing there taking xp in (of course, no profit, just pure xp) Fishing, just fish at Lumby with fly fishing rod and dump the fish in general store, or just cook them for more xp. Wc and firemaking again goes together if you dont are about cash. Especially Wc and fishing are more of a passive skill (you dont have to click every so often), you can just read or do homework while you are at it. Range, well, since the range store have infinite arrows now, just get 100k bronze arrows (or better type) and shoot yourself silly. Look for high hp monster and good spot to hide (lesser demon is one of them) RC is still hard, to some degrees, but with assist, its still better than nothing, 30k xp per day is actually pretty good coming from air altar. Or just use runite mining again, buy alot of body talisman and tiaras, and bind yourself silly. (Now if you stick to I gotta walk the entire process, then it will take about 2 years, with you playing for 4 hours each day) Smithing and mining goes hand in hand, in fact, alot of people just superheat bars like mith ore addy or rune now because its 1k bars per hour, 54k mage xp and 30k to 50k smith xp per hour. (with that in mind, mining is actually hard in F2P compare to other skills) Lastly, all the lvl 99s are achieve over certain period of time, in the span of 4 to 6 years, no body get it done over night. You just basically do the most effective ways, and stick with it, few months down the road even with 2 to 3 hours a day is sufficient enough to scrape a few lvl 99. Again, no offence to P2P, F2P all 99 is just another style of playing because people choose to, due to their own reasoning, there is no difference in the logic behind training (yes, P2P grind less than F2P, so what?, for the most part, they got new skills to train every now and then) Training in RS is technically wasting time, but it might be 1 to 3 hours of our time to "relax" in this chaotic world.

Actually, its all lvl 99s with 200mil xp in it each. And also, collect 1000 set of phat, and 1000 santa, or 1000 set of mask, or so on and so forth. The goal is endless regarding P2P or F2P Of course, achieve those crazy goal would probably cost the rest of your life, lol (Or several lifes for that matter)

Welcome back AURA!!!

First of all, as usual, I apolozie for such a long response since I try to cover most of the points listed out by other players. So make sure you read everything of my response, not just the "parts" you want to read and make comment on it. I know its hard for some people to understand, so I am just going to list few examples. (and again, just my opinion) When I was training fishing at karajama island by fishing lobster, I usually fish the lobster, cook them and toss them in general store, so quick xp. At that time, there was no cook x, so we have to start a fire near general store, and then cook it quickly before the fire runs out. When I toss the cooked lobster into the store, I noticed alot of raw tuna, close to 3k of them, mainly due to people who want fast cash so they pick up from dock and sell to store. With that in mind, I was excited at the prospect that I could train cooking this way by buying raw, cook it and sell it back, maybe even get elusive cook 99 that way. So I start getting cash from bank, and "terra" cooking all the fish in store to get cook xp. When one server is depleted, I move on to next one. Occasionaly, I would see few people do the same, trade noted logs to store buy 1 log, start a fire and cook, it was good xp, even though my fishing is lagging behind. Once, I even took almost 3 hours of clicking (3000 clicks too)though wrist hurts abit, but it was good, my rank was really all the way up there on highscore and it just stay around there most of the time. When the cook x released, I thougtht, wow, that will make it even easier. I went back to kara island again with some cash, and to my surprise, all the raw tuna or raw lobster all become cooked?? So I hop a few servers, and then same thing happen too. As I check my highscore in cooking each day, it drops significantly. Now there isn't a moral to the story here, cook x (in my opinion) makes the skill easier because you can select the function and perform the same repetive tasks, and then chat with friends, or read a book. It basically allows you to MULTITASK easier. You are right, it takes the physical and mental stress to click alot, so use another option x on it thus making the training easier. If you want to know what I mean, just do 2 skills, one, cook 5 k raw lobster. After you done that, now try burn 5k willow logs. The time that it took to do both might be the same, but the resultant stress is appearant. Its a bit like a endurance test, see how long u can keep it up, now by changing 5k clicks to 178 clicks certainly take the stress off your wrist alot and also mental focus. (When I saw other peoples response, I was superheat addy bars, but I couldnt post a response on tip it because I spend all my focus on clicking ore and clicking superheating and withdraw, normally, if I just woodcut or fishing, I knew I had at least 5 minutes of break, or at least 1 minutes of break to type something up here) After that, looking through the highscore, anything that has x involved generally drop alot for my rank, with one exception. Mining. To my knowledge mining need walking, and clicking, you can't exactly look away when you mine, because you wont know if you will one hit the rock, or just keep on hitting the same one for few minutes, or if someone else is hitting the same rock. Now with all that said, I am not saying, wow we should all getting carpel tunnel syndrome to consider ourselve elite, or hey look at my hand, I play and click so much, there is callus growing on it. It's just that there is always a REFERENCE to compare to, and older style of training to compare to. Its like old folks talking to young folks, back then we dont have car, we have to WALK to school, people with bicycle are consider rich. I for one, dont really mind about all those new function makes training abit easier, but there is always a percentage of people arguing that, back then, we have to do this and that, and much easier compare to now. Ist that why there is constant debate about cooking and fletching cape? And the constant debate about which training style is harder? F2P vs P2P, there is always endless discussion about them that people always point out the same thing. I have so many member friend telling me, go member, its so easy to train there. (Now again, not to be rude to P2P, and dont want any flame wars, we gone through this many times) Paying some cash to play member is not hard, nor there isn't really any pride for staying F2P, I just want to stay the way I enjoy the most) Another example I also point out in other thread, was RC in F2P. It would take about 2 to 3 years if you traing RC from lvl 1 to lvl 99, assume if you play 4 hours per day, and thats everyday. Back then, RC is consider hard, anyone with 50 plus RC in F2P is consider quite good, and then air runers become popular, even during peak of its time, some F2P manage to get their RC lvl so high that it was consider impossible at that time. But again, I dont want to argue that people use air runners or assist is any less than people who walk the airs themselves, there is always a quicker and easier ways to do things, why break your own wrist over it? So its all comes down to perception, how people look at it. If you dont really care, and you shouldn't, about what others think, then its all good. Health and safety is one thing, we all know that spend long time infront of a compupter is a bad thing. It cause problem with eyes, our posture, our habit, lead to obesity due to inactivity, and other plenty of things associated with it. Why do people still do it? Too many answers, simply for the glory of obtaining a arbitrary number that in real life no one cares about? Grinding for one part seems to be a common trait on online MMORPG. The thing is, if you want to be high lvl, you either play alot during day, or play for long time, or do both. The true players are the one who can enjoy themselves, and balance out their life properly, of course, again, all just my opinion. To cap it off, maybe ecto grinding is different because I am not a member, so I really shouldn't generalize on that part. All I know is, I either bury 2.2mil bones, or bury 650k bones, and it took about 1 hour to do this much xp, and after few months, I should get it. There is always a set time and speed for all the training, P2p, f2p wise, just different pace. Thats all You can skin a cat several ways, in the end, you will end up with a skinless cat.

Thanks for the positive inputs, just slight update here. Mith ores used to be expensive (300 to 400ea) but after the release of strongholds, the monster drop alot of noted miths, and their price have been plummenting and stablize around 155 ea to 175ea. To be honest, alot of people would choose addy over mith ores, but dont forget mith ores is probably easier to obtain at lower price compare to addy ores, so you can potentially get it in larger amount compare to addy ores. (Cheaper too) 30xp smith per bar is really good too, and since the cost of materials are mostly covered by the bar, training skill with the more avaliable ores ensure steady supply of xp and cash almost everyday (2k mith bars per day is like 60k xp in smith and 106k xp in mage per day). An example of my addy bar superheating training in 1 one day. Bought 5k addy ores for 1k ea, and 30k coal for 170ea, 5k nat 240ea Took me whole day, around 6 hours to superheat all. Cost of each bar 2261gp I manage to sold all for 2320gp Total Profit earned in 6 hours 295k gp Total xp earn in smith 187.5k xp Total xp earn in mage 265k xp If you train this way, and get your smith all the way to lvl 99, you mage will be lvl 99 and probably over 17mil in xp as well.

(To any moderator that see this post, I didn't know this was the guide section (thought it was help and advice), so if any mod think this is inappropriate for this section, feel free to move it to other sections) WHO DOES THIS GUIDE APPLIED TO: This guide applies for medium lvl smithers (50 or higher, and able to superheat), but the concept is the same, so good for lower lvl or higher lvl smithers as well. INTRODUCTION: During my RS careers, I always heard how people complain how hard smithing is to train, so I will just enter my 2 bit here to speed up smithing, mage, and mining. (Thanks to grand exchange, this method makes training smithing ALOT faster) First of all, I am not sure if anyone made similar post before, if they did, sorry about duplicate topic posting, and for the most part, this is another long post, better have a cup of chocolate before you start reading, lol. RECOMMENDATIONS: To me smithing is like a quest, in order to effectively train those skills, you need certain skill lvls first, recommended are MAGE, superheat lvl SMITHING, if you can make steel bar, thats great, if you can make mith and above, thats even better CASH: More the better, at least 1.2mil to 2.4mil gp depend on what bars you make, or mine the respective ores to start things off MINING, basically, the higher the better, but I go for at least mith lvl or addy lvl. (Optional) FOR LOWER LVL SMITHER: "Just a quick note here, if you just smelt steel bars at al karid, or fally furnace, its actually good cash too, you make 9 steel bars per trip, and thats about 150gp or more gp per bar and 1.3k more per walk. This applies if you buy the ores, u get more profit if you mine your own ores. Just remember to sell the steel bars not smith them. When 1k steel bars are done, profit after deduction of iron and coal is 150k per every 2 hour (its 500 steel bar per hour), You can always get more profit by buying ores cheaper." ESSENTIAL QUESTS: Go do those F2p quest that boost your xp in mining and smithing if you haven't done so, I only remember Knight sword quest for smithing (a must), Doric's quest for lvl up mining. BUYING THE ORES: First part regarding to the whole operation is buying the ores, if you dont care about losing cash (maybe 20 to 50gp per bar), then by all means, buy ores slight higher at their appraised value and get quick transaction that way. I personally prefer stock price method, I watch for the rise and drop or certain ores, at times, I buy thing slightly lower then med value, and just wait a day or 2 until to see it done. Make sure you check the price of bar too, if everything is plummeting, its best to buy ores and make it into bars, but dont sell. Only sell the bars when its on the rise (basically, sell the bar when its over the cost of the ores that you orginally buy for) Example, coal 173 ea, addy, 1030 each, nature runes 240ea ==> 2308 Cost of addy bar, 2280 medium Now, most of people will go, but it lose money like 28 gp per bar, normally, I dont mind losing cash, hey you get mage and smith xp for mere 28gp, thats really good deal if you ask me, but with some price adjustments, you make cash New price, buy coal for 170ea, addy ore 1k ea, nature rune 235ea ==>2255 Sell addy bar for 2300ea or more. There are always people who are willing to sell things for lower price, and willing to buy thing for higher price, depend on how needy they are, usually things sell cheap during night, and buy high during day (thats when people are active). So watching the price of grand exchange is essential for profit making. MAKING THE BAR: Once you can at least make mith bar, and superheat, you simply buy coal, mith ores, and nature rune from grand exchange, all you have to make sure is that the cost of raw materials equal to or less than the cost of bar. So you superheat your ores and sell the bar, it takes about 1 hour to superheat 1k of bars. To make superheat more effectively, I actually put ores in a specific order, first put the coal and the desired higher lvl ores in your bank menu closer to your inventory menu, so less distance travel for mouse when you withdraw the ores. Then in your inventory, put 1k nature runes, 9 addy ores, or 10 mith ores, and rest is coal. When you superheat, for example, you will able to superheat 3 addy bar at once, since its 6 coal per addy ore, then dont deposit anything, just withdraw coal again, then superheat until all the ores is done into bars. When you have 9 addy bars, you simply withdraw "coal" first, then deposit the addy bars, then withdraw the addy ores. The order of withdraw and deposit make it easier so you let the repesective ores fill itself up by simply withdraw all. RESULTANT XP: With that in mind, you can potentially get 37.5k xp smith and 54k xp mage per hour (for addy, mith is 30k xp per hour) same principle can also apply to runite ores if you have 85 smith, I dont do that much since the cost of runite is alot, (imagine how much 1k runite would cost?) NEED TO KNOW: Another tip is dont buy too much at once, only buy what you can superheat (1k to 3K) that day, 3k addy ores, or 4k mith ores, or 18k coal or which ever. ( I suggest just get 1k mith ores, and 4k coal plus 1k nat to trial test this method and see if you like it). The reason is, you can never predict the price of the raw materials, if you buy too many ores at once, and you can't smith all in time, you might end up selling bar for lower price because of "low" season in bar (too many bars in grand exchange, thus drop in price) If you plan to buy cheap and sell high, then you have to be patient, I normally just buy stuff slightly below the value of ores, and sell bars slight higher so this ensure me the constant supply of cash and ores whenever I go to grand exchange. Lastly, what do do during waiting for your ores to buy and bar to sell? Training, thats where mining becomes good, I just take mith ores, addy ores, runite ores to mining guild and start superheat and mine until those ores are bought or bars are sold. PS: Due to the nature of constant clicking, its might be troublesome to chat at the same time, you can always turn your chat off when training, so it doesn't impede your speed, plus you wont be rude to people on your list by ignoring half of their msgs. Credit: I didn't originally thought of this method, one of my good RS friend just told me while we are discussing smithing, so thanks for all your info Dragon. Also thanks to the large quest and smithing date base provide by Tip It guides

For superheating, I call it coal carting. You can stay in the guild way longer compare to 28 coal per inventory, thus making this method effective, so its like 4.5k to 5.5k xp of mining per trip. Another way I used to train is tele mining, this one favours Rimmington mine and Craft guild. In the old days, I would get fally tele ready, and full inventory of rune ess ready, run from fally to either places, on my way there, I make air runes (I dont carry air runes just law and water staff because I know I will make them on my way there). Then I mine ores, iron and gold and silver. when u are done, just tele back to fally and repeat Cabbage tele, just mine them, tele to cabbage patch and bank at draynor Some of my friend use scout method, they go to a world with a low lvl scout first to see if there is runite there, and then proceed after that. They told me that its very effective and also could be use with timing method. On average, according to them they can get 30 to 45 runite ores per hour this way. I Edited my response after realizing this is guide section, but once again, very good guide by Lady

I agree with you for the most part. This is my personal experience when I start out this game. Lower lvls, thought all the high lvls are "elite" because it seems to take long time to train Takes too much time training "inefficiently" and usually sell the items under their appraised value "which make that training and making money is hard" But as I train more, I train faster and make money faster, eventually, I get very addictied to training, almost 3 to 4 hours per day, sometimes even more. First goal was getting lvl 100, after that, lvl 110, after that lvl 115, after that lvl 120, after that lvl 124, then non combat skills, firemaking, wc, so on and so forth I did set a very old goal when I start this game, and so far I am like half way there. To be honest, RS has too much replay value, but if your internal drive (motivation) never wanes, you might be in this ride for long time. I take some breaks now and then to restore my drive. I know if I dont play RS in my spare time, I will just move on to other things in life. Most of the part, I am determined to reach the first goal that I set for myself, just to see if I can make it. Knowing that, I even stick to more slower training method (not that slow, but there are faster way), just to drag out the game alittle longer, this is purely how I enjoy the game, and its always the way how I play it. The neverending goals applied to anyone as long as they are still interested in it, and to those that move on to other things in life. I kind of understand it when my own lvls are mostly 99s, once you know how to train, it just all depend on if you stick to it or not. You play the way you want to play (of course within the rules)

Can't stop laughing when I was reading this thread, but yeah, several ways to make good cash these days Just cut logs like yew or mage trees. Make steel bars, make runes, (basically, just grind for cash) Or merchant in grand exchange, buy low, sell high idea (rumour says up to 1mil per day for F2P, and couple mils a day for P2P) Get your mining to lvl 85 and mine runite ores, world hop and mine more, 8 hours a day should get you at least 3.6mil worth of runite ores