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babies develop their senses over the course of nine months, not instantly when they are born. Babies kick before they are born, so your argument only holds as a reason to allow early abortions(which I agree should be legal).

Religion doesn't answer those questions. Just as science can't answer whether or not you should love people. Science also can't answer one of the biggest questions out there: How did life originate? They are working on it to the people that responded to me as long as the old and new testament are in the same book I consider it to be talking about the same deity, unless christianity has two seperate gods and they never mentioned this to the common people.

the reason you cant launch a drop of water at near light speed is that the speed of each particle of water would pull the droplet apart. try throwing a snow ball made from loose powder and you get an example of what will happen.

I was thinking along the lines of you get to have the abortion but then your parents get to find out so you get your nice lecture you earned.

well for efficency youd get 6xp for every 10gp in mind runes so 13mil xp would cost 21666666gp depending on xp per hour this could be meaningful, but its totally dependant on that value since this is less effective then something like humidifying

actually the guide indicates flaws in both of those weapons. flamethrower--very heavy and fire does not kill instantly so you are stuck with flaming zombies for a long while. chainsaw--heavy, fuel dependant and has a tendency to spray bio hazards everywhere lol my choice for weapons would be a ak47 for medium range along with a katana/machete/wakizashi depending on availability.

[hide=] You're an idiot. She's Pro-CHOICE, not pro-ABORTION. Jesus, I didn't even read more than 2 posts and I understood what she said. Her point is completely viable and isn't debating semantics. [/hide] okay, I see the difference there; however, the change in meaning is signifigantly different between those pro life and anti abortion imply nearly the same thing, with the phrase anti abortion being a tad more extremist pro choice and pro abortion have vastly different implications, pro abortion being a label used to try and demonize the person holding that position So I understand the point, but since noone was called pro abortion(unless I missed), I dont see how the difference between pro life and anti abortion is signifigant other then semantics.

[hide=] why does god behave in a vastly different manner between the old and new testament. why does god order the killing of non jews in the book of joshua then have his son preach to turn the other cheek in the new testament. The old testament is mostly stories....told to teach a meaning, not really a true fact that it actually happened. The new testament is more of the truth with Jesus Christ and his life. With things that actually happened. [/hide] should not a divine being be a constant throughout history? Also, the Old testament is a historical text, a lot of the book of Joshua battles have been proven to have occured at some level.

because someone needed to post this [hide=]Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak and weary, Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore, While I nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping, As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door. `'Tis some visitor,' I muttered, `tapping at my chamber door - Only this, and nothing more.' Ah, distinctly I remember it was in the bleak December, And each separate dying ember wrought its ghost upon the floor. Eagerly I wished the morrow; - vainly I had sought to borrow From my books surcease of sorrow - sorrow for the lost Lenore - For the rare and radiant maiden whom the angels named Lenore - Nameless here for evermore. And the silken sad uncertain rustling of each purple curtain Thrilled me - filled me with fantastic terrors never felt before; So that now, to still the beating of my heart, I stood repeating `'Tis some visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door - Some late visitor entreating entrance at my chamber door; - This it is, and nothing more,' Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer, `Sir,' said I, `or Madam, truly your forgiveness I implore; But the fact is I was napping, and so gently you came rapping, And so faintly you came tapping, tapping at my chamber door, That I scarce was sure I heard you' - here I opened wide the door; - Darkness there, and nothing more. Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dared to dream before But the silence was unbroken, and the darkness gave no token, And the only word there spoken was the whispered word, `Lenore!' This I whispered, and an echo murmured back the word, `Lenore!' Merely this and nothing more. Back into the chamber turning, all my soul within me burning, Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before. `Surely,' said I, `surely that is something at my window lattice; Let me see then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore - Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore; - 'Tis the wind and nothing more!' Open here I flung the shutter, when, with many a flirt and flutter, In there stepped a stately raven of the saintly days of yore. Not the least obeisance made he; not a minute stopped or stayed he; But, with mien of lord or lady, perched above my chamber door - Perched upon a bust of Pallas just above my chamber door - Perched, and sat, and nothing more. Then this ebony bird beguiling my sad fancy into smiling, By the grave and stern decorum of the countenance it wore, `Though thy crest be shorn and shaven, thou,' I said, `art sure no craven. Ghastly grim and ancient raven wandering from the nightly shore - Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night's Plutonian shore!' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' Much I marvelled this ungainly fowl to hear discourse so plainly, Though its answer little meaning - little relevancy bore; For we cannot help agreeing that no living human being Ever yet was blessed with seeing bird above his chamber door - Bird or beast above the sculptured bust above his chamber door, With such name as `Nevermore.' But the raven, sitting lonely on the placid bust, spoke only, That one word, as if his soul in that one word he did outpour. Nothing further then he uttered - not a feather then he fluttered - Till I scarcely more than muttered `Other friends have flown before - On the morrow he will leave me, as my hopes have flown before.' Then the bird said, `Nevermore.' Startled at the stillness broken by reply so aptly spoken, `Doubtless,' said I, `what it utters is its only stock and store, Caught from some unhappy master whom unmerciful disaster Followed fast and followed faster till his songs one burden bore - Till the dirges of his hope that melancholy burden bore Of "Never-nevermore."' But the raven still beguiling all my sad soul into smiling, Straight I wheeled a cushioned seat in front of bird and bust and door; Then, upon the velvet sinking, I betook myself to linking Fancy unto fancy, thinking what this ominous bird of yore - What this grim, ungainly, ghastly, gaunt, and ominous bird of yore Meant in croaking `Nevermore.' This I sat engaged in guessing, but no syllable expressing To the fowl whose fiery eyes now burned into my bosom's core; This and more I sat divining, with my head at ease reclining On the cushion's velvet lining that the lamp-light gloated o'er, But whose velvet violet lining with the lamp-light gloating o'er, She shall press, ah, nevermore! Then, methought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer Swung by Seraphim whose foot-falls tinkled on the tufted floor. `Wretch,' I cried, `thy God hath lent thee - by these angels he has sent thee Respite - respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Lenore! Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe, and forget this lost Lenore!' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' `Prophet!' said I, `thing of evil! - prophet still, if bird or devil! - Whether tempter sent, or whether tempest tossed thee here ashore, Desolate yet all undaunted, on this desert land enchanted - On this home by horror haunted - tell me truly, I implore - Is there - is there balm in Gilead? - tell me - tell me, I implore!' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' `Prophet!' said I, `thing of evil! - prophet still, if bird or devil! By that Heaven that bends above us - by that God we both adore - Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn, It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels named Lenore - Clasp a rare and radiant maiden, whom the angels named Lenore?' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' `Be that word our sign of parting, bird or fiend!' I shrieked upstarting - `Get thee back into the tempest and the Night's Plutonian shore! Leave no black plume as a token of that lie thy soul hath spoken! Leave my loneliness unbroken! - quit the bust above my door! Take thy beak from out my heart, and take thy form from off my door!' Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.' And the raven, never flitting, still is sitting, still is sitting On the pallid bust of Pallas just above my chamber door; And his eyes have all the seeming of a demon's that is dreaming, And the lamp-light o'er him streaming throws his shadow on the floor; And my soul from out that shadow that lies floating on the floor Shall be lifted - nevermore![/hide]

oh, so youve decided what the word anti means, I didnt realize we could invent meanings for words to support our arguments. Well then, being pro abortion means you march up and down the streets protesting, threatening anyone that disagrees with you leading to violence against pro choice citizens. We can play the game of what exactly anti and pro mean for the rest of eternity, its not based on reality. I am anti abortion in the sense that I would like to see the occurence of abortions be as low as possible while allowing it where it is needed. I dont believe in forcing children on single mothers that will never be able to take proper care of that child, and I dont believe in forcing extremely disabled children on anyone. I support parents choosing life for unintentional children when it will not be a horrible problem for them. Im not interested in debating semantics, you know exactly what I meant when I said I was anti abortion, trying to twist the meaning of words does not give you a good argument.

why does god behave in a vastly different manner between the old and new testament. why does god order the killing of non jews in the book of joshua then have his son preach to turn the other cheek in the new testament.

So your saying I can't be against abortion unless I'm going to be crazy about it? Guess I only have freedom of opinion as long as I agree with you. Again, refusing to help someone does not equal violence. For instance, you see a car crash and a clearly injured man and decide not to go help. You are not being violent, we could argue if your being a jerk or not a good person but you are clearly not acting violently. Closing down hospitals would be a horrible course of action, but it would not be violent. also, saying be anti something causes more of it is a poorly worded statement. If that is true then being against rape and murder is encouraging it. I know what point you were trying to get across with that, but its too broad of a statement.

well a stroke is entirely within your brain, Im not familiar enough to know if something outside of the brain causes them though

yeah, it clearly says you can restrict abortions of "viable" fetuses. goddess--um where exactly did anyone in this thread suggest violence or threats? I know I didnt. also, I still hold that it is hypocritical to say both that woman have the right to abort an unborn baby and that the church has no right to shut down its own hospitals. Shutting down hospitals, which we dont even believe would need to happen, would be a bad choice of action; however, for the church to sacrifice its own morals and do what it considers murder would be worse. Also, anti abortion=pro life because clearly if you dont want abortion to be legal you are trying to promote life.

except you would already be dead from being in an airless vacuum :lol: , also at that speed objects have a tendency to fall apart. Excuse the creepy metaphor, but try launching a pile of dung out of a catapult; the dung will fall apart at that speed just like a droplet would fall apart at speed.

[hide=] :shock: an economic basis for outlawing abortion(to an extent), you sir are amazing. Not just an economic basis. See the whole "killing those who cannot speak for themselves" part :P [/hide] Oh I know, but its amazing to see a reason that is inpersonal and economic as opposed to the normal(and perfectly reasonable) moral arguments.

Well the theory is that the fact you can be afk would make up for it. I mean, if you put a pen on the spacebar it won't log you out at all, and I don't think you can get randoms while dueling. I agree, but this would cost one mind rune for every lets say 7xp so 18mil(minds are 9each i believe). I think just earning money and bursting would turn out being better, and since afking overnight is badly against the rules this isnt that useful. I guess if you really wanted to chat while mage training though this wouldnt be that bad.

What? well you see the reason is...

:shock: an economic basis for outlawing abortion(to an extent), you sir are amazing.

1400 yards is an amazing shot, 1760 yards is a mile so thats seven ninths of a mile, or 14 american football fields ignoring endzone.

magekillr, I just want you to know that being a radical liberal doesnt make you right, you want to call everyone a right wing radical because you hate people not listening to you. Id love to know how being moderate makes me like your generalization of right wing radicals? To be honest, you come off as horribly bitter and abrasive, not the type of person I enjoy debating with.

That is a generalization if there has ever been one. We all agree iraq got screwed up terribly, thats another debate. Whats wrong with supporting the death penalty for very severe cases exactly? Dropping bombs on people for being terrorists, I mean I guess we could surrender to them, actually I see the light now. Going after Hitler was unjustified we killed a whole lot of people just to stop one evil person how dare we interfere :roll: . Gun control is also another debate, I dont think machine guns should be allowed without liscensing and I believe we should have good regulation of legal firearms. Saying "we" dont support social programs is an intentionally vague statement, I support programs to help people in bad circumstances but I dont think we should universally pour money towards everyone that messed up their own life. I support comprehensive sex ed in school, available and cheap contraceptives etc. Certainly there are some people that refuse to support some of what I said, but nothing annoys me more then classifying every pro life person as a right wing radical.

actually an economy in between capitalist and socialist is probably the best economy you could have. Some things such as universal health care could be put to good use, the main thing is that with a (partially) free market I believe you get a better overall economy which is better then a more socialist weaker economy.

well afking it would technically be I wonder how slow the xp on that is lol, I mean 6xp per cast so like a tenth of alch xp.

Wow, thanks for pointing that out, so hilariously ironic. :lol: :lol: :lol: