Quyneax

^Agreed with Powerfrog, past 42 defence (void deflector + barrows gloves, fury/salve, fire/kiln cape, rune boots, zerker (i)) the only xp/hr upgrades are dragon and steadfast boots and goliath gloves (sounds balanced yes?). So in general, controlled is worse than separate training if you don't train defence first.

Moved your topic to a more appropriate forum, and welcome to the forums :).

Da Broman1 has a great skill breakdown, congratulations to him for taking the highest lowest xp :).

Assists are horrid ;-;. Maybe I should pay for them or something (but, FE doesn't allow payments so that means spamming @ w117 Dae). Also made a bit of cash from farming + flasks and failed kiln (well I forgot pickaxe, and even with dreadnips I didn't think wave 28 would be possible much, but I didn't intend to die on Jad -.-).

Imo it's worth getting. It's a significant xp increase and the higher level familiars are great (unicorn, yak, steel titan) so any summoning level increase is great.

Black salamanders are horrible, if you want money you should hunt chins. You need 74 hunter for igneous jadinkos but you can use a potion to boost by 3 levels.

I think alching is faster as there's a lot less opportunity to mess up.

The experience I listed is just 30k*number of effigies, the 2million-something figure is all lamps used on rc. @ bxpprod: Indeed they don't :(.

I'm using them in ~1 week. Quite looking forward :D.

From things I've heard about the Kiln, at higher levels, it's doable with a steel titan (so no healing/extra brews at all, just more dps). It's worth using ranged on the mages but in order to melee you need to move out of your safespot and that isn't worth it. With Soul Split + eee + overloads you won't need any healing up to wave 20 or so, if you can ss flash well (hint: have more than 4 fps when you do this). In ganodermic or ranged gear you pray range when there are mages + rangers and kill the mages first, but you should be able to lure them to not get hit by both at once 99% of the time. Bring 3 overload flasks and renewal flasks (6), second war tortoise pouch, tort full of brews, eee, 12 restores (6) I guess? and the rest of your inventory also brews, should be plenty.

You can melee dragons for money and you can cannon them as well, which is probably better still because you will get the same profit with free ranged xp. Since your normal training method (magic shortbow) is really slow at your level, but cannon is the same xp anyway, it's more beneficial to cannon now than at a higher level. If that makes sense :P.

He's not trying to prove magic is better than melee or anything, just showing that for the sake of magic xp you could mage them and be more efficient than melee (since the mage xp + killrate are good).

Skip if you can spare the points, but don't block just yet. At 80 magic with a polypore staff, an arcane stream necklace and Vecna's skull (total under 2m gp and 30k dungeoneering tokens) I'd say they would be barely worth doing, but they only really become worth it at 95+ magic with Storm of Armadyl (if you're using a cannon-based task list).

Got taskmaster back :). Current effigies are: 17x gorged runecrafting = 510k xp 4x gorged agility = 120k xp 21x gorged mining = 630k xp 2x gorged fishing = 60k xp 2x gorged woodcutting = 60k xp 4x gorged hunter = 120k xp 5x gorged thieving = 150k xp 3x gorged cooking = 90k xp Total of 58 effigies. With another 150k xp I can get 93 runecrafting just from opening (troll invasion, pengs, hopefully 4 assists, tears will cover that, so a week to go). Then 58 lamps would yield a dissapointing 2385202 xp on level 93 and 94 getting me 95, 130k from 96. I hope that I'll be able to find assists more reliably then.

Vanguard is awesome but I'm not sure on the particle effects on the gloves there...

I think it's climber for ~10 waves, after that your offence starts to suffer too much to get fast waves.

Scratch the probably :shades:. Also got 92 rc and 92+ stats.

Void deflector with dds/rapier works great too, claws are only a bit faster.

I'm 91 actually, 18k from level (getting from pengs today) :P. Trying for assists but FE outspams the cc which I want to read :(. I'll go get a screen of comp cape reqs, I think it'd be about 25 lines (Livid Farm ftl).

You can either get a pair of gloves or 100 dreadnips - I think goliaths are better since 100 dreadnips will last only half an hour tops (@200 kph). It takes roughly 2-3 minutes to get either. Unless you were doing massive amounts of DT, which might be worth it now for pure melee xp (but you'd have to plan it all out in advance & do the appropriate amount of DT before slayer), I wouldn't bother with dreadnips. Congratulations to Suomi as well :). Do you or someone else know XP rates with dreadnips? I only used them for dark beasts (instead of cannon for more melee xp) but from what I remember they only added 5 kph or so.

Red salamanders first, I'm not sure about red chins but at current prices they're probably better, and draconics are a huge step up at level 80. Get some Zamorak Favour potions if you have the herblore level.

Polypore is a lot less xp than any other method, especially at lower levels without overloads/arcane stream necklace and such. You can definitely mage a lot of things but for levelling I would recommend either getting Storm of Armadyl (very very expensive, very very fast slayer and magic xp) or not mage slaying for xp. Metal dragons are killed faster with polypore at max stats, I'm not sure how your stats would do but I'd guess it'd be slower. Getting an arcane stream necklace (+15% magic damage, requires 70 dungeoneering) would help a lot.

Bursting rock lobsters is the best imo, it's the fastest mage xp and the fastest summoning xp out of the viable methods (tds/glacors/miths etc.). It costs a lot more however. If you wanted to profit, go (unlock) glacors, tds are lousy mage xp (as in, 10k xp per hour).

I agree, lamp slayer. Slowest skill out there with nerfed effigy rate :S (considering penance for agil/mine, c2 for fish, assist/peng/troll for rc).

1) 5% damage boost is not an item effect. 2) Ragefires are cheaper gp/mage attack than Virtus top. 3) Can't find rc assists :(. @ Cow: You'll only get the effects of one penance set item though, so you'd have to wear penance skirt/top/helm/boots and comp cape for the bonus.